New York Rangers Trade Rumors: Would You Trade For Jeff Carter
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintLast week we tossed around the idea of the New York Rangers potentially making a move for Rick Nash. But it's actually Nash's teammate, Jeff Carter, who seems destined to be moved from Columbus.
Carter signed an 11-year contract with the Philadelphia Flyers, expecting to finish his career with the team that drafted him in the first round in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft. But the Flyers had other plans, and shipped both Carter and Mike Richards off in separate trades to make room for Ilya Bryzgalov.
Richards found his was to Los Angeles, playing for the Kings. Carter, on the other hand, was traded to Columbus, a move he was so unhappy about that it took him a few days to even speak about the trade. There are musings that Carter might want out of Columbus, and if he does should Glen Sather make a play for him?
Join me after the jump for more.
From now until the deadline we're going to grapple with two different ideas: making a big splash at the deadline, or making a few depth moves. If Sather were to make a play at Carter it would certianly be a big splash move, but would it cost as much as a usual blockbuster does?
There is no denying that Carter didn't ever want to leave Philadelphia. And there's also no denying that he's not having a good season so far for Columbus (12 goals and 19 points in just 34 games). That's a far cry from a guy who scored 46 goals in 2008-2009 and has scored 33 and 36 goals the past two seasons.
Maybe it has something to do with the injury (he's missed time this year for a separated right shoulder), or maybe it has to do with the fact that he doesn't want to play in Columbus; but a change of scenery might be just what he needs to get back going.
Although Carter never wanted to leave Philadelphia, getting moved to New York might be just the spark he needs. The Rangers are an original six team, they play in the biggest market in America and they are in the thicket of the Stanley Cup race.
Now, onto the logistics. Carter's cap hit is much more friendly than Nash's, although his contract is also much longer. Carter is signed through 2022, but his cap hit is a reasonable $5.27 million. That means that moving Wolski ($3.8 million hit) would do most of the damage (since the Rangers have $1.5 million in space already).
Just like with our Nash discussions, Wolski would provide the Blue Jackets with a RFA who they either take a risk on if they feel fit to, or let walk if they aren't pleased with what he brings to the table. Prospects and draft picks would also have to be included, but it might be worth it to bring in the goal scorer. Still, Carter might never be cheaper than he is right now.
Of his 193 career goals, 54 have come on the power play. In the past three seasons (not including this year) he has 115 goals in 236 games -- if you add in assists he has 211 points in that timeframe. That's a big boost of offense to a Rangers team that can still use the help on the power play.
The downside? Carter has been known to glide and his attitude in Columbus can't be overlooked. I honestly attribute it to him not wanting to be in Columbus, but it's still a major red flag that needs to be examined before and potential moves are made.
So what are your thoughts on this guys? Would you make a move for Carter if he is available?
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I have mixed feelings about this guy. I really question whether he can play the type of game the Rangers play as a team and stay relatively injury-free. On the other hand his added offense would be greatly well received. Is giving up Dubi worth it for this guy? I say no but i think giving up Dubi for Nash is (I know, the contract).
Only if the move improves our team long term.
From the beginning of the season the Rangers were not predicted to be in this position. This was supposed to be a year that we inch closer to the team we are supposed to be in years to come.
There is no reason to make a big splash with the way the team is playing. The Rangers are a team where each player plays an integral role (-WW) and each line can play against the other team’s top lines. So no do not make a move and mortgage the future.
The next 5 years are ours provided Hank stays healthy . Improve the team in the offseason when Weber, Suter, and Stasny will be available . Remember B Rich wanted to be with the Rangers last year at this time but he didn’t want to go to a team stripped of its nucleus and waited until the season ended.
Hopefully GS will do it again.
by themessiah11 on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
So because we improved at a quicker rate then expected,
don’t improve the team. Eff that. This is the first time in almost 20 years that a Stanley Cup is really possible. Yeah provided Hank stays healthy and we keep improving and keep drafting well and keep bringing up all star caliber rookies then we will be set for 5 years. Guess what, getting Carter doesn’t change that. You can still build through the draft and amateur signings. What do the people who want to hold every prospect expect to do? Do you guys think the NHL will make an exception and let us skate maybe 25 players? No? But are prospects are soooooo good that’s not fair!!! What’s the point of having these guys if you won’t use them to improve the team and a good amount of them are blocked anyway? Get a Carter/Nash and lets win a Stanley Cup, and in the mean time there is no rule that says we have to stop acquiring good young players.
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Remember B Rich wanted to be with the Rangers last year at this time but he didn’t want to go to a team stripped of its nucleus and waited until the season ended.
No, he just took a huge contract that even in year on he can’t live up too, he doesn’t even pretend to try to play defense, and he isn’t providing very much offense either (yeah yeah 7 game winners whoopty doo for small sample size anomalies). I like Richards, but who gives a shit what he did? The Rangers weren’t even an after thought for a cup contender last year, so why is that even relevant? Because we didn’t trade for Richards at the deadline in a year with zero chance of winning anything, we shouldn’t make other deadline deals in different years when we are sitting in first place?
As of today, they’d only need to shed about $100k in full season cap hits, so it doesn’t even require Wolski. At the deadline they can take on $6.959m, so they could add Carter without giving up anyone from the NHL roster. That number seems to be going up by the day (it was $6.1m last week), so it’s possible they could even add Nash without giving up salary, at least in the short term.
I’d still stick with giving Howson back when he gave up. Find the equivalent of Voracek + 8th overall + 3rd rounder, and ship it.
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but going forward? past this year? all my $$ projections going forward to add another big contract almost certainly required Dubi to go.
Capgeek.com’s front page. That lists the full season hits they can add today, and on feb 27th. Updated daily. For instance, at the deadline, the Avalanche can add any NHL roster they want. Yes, the whole roster.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Dont think next year would be the problem. We have 16m in cap space is the ceiling stays the same with only Biron and Prust needed to be resigned. So figure 3m between the two plus another 1.5m if you want to keep Eminger and Mitchell. So that leaves you with $11.5m. Even if the ceiling comes down you would still have room to add Carters contract. But somebody on the roster I assume will have to go the other way unless CBJ just wants prospects.
It is the year after that we have a lot of RFA. You could always trade Dubi to recover some of the prospects you lost and gain space. So really it would be swapping Dubi and a prospect for Carter. If you can do that then instead of now you go into the playoffs with Dubi AND Carter.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I forgot MDZ but still more than enough even with a raise for him.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, which as jd said, is why I said short-term. I’ve said it in other threads on the topic, the issue isn’t next year, it’s 2012-13. Just playing with it quickly, giving Prust $300k, Stralman $300k, MDZ $1m, and Biron $400k, I still have $3.75m to fill out the 12th-14th forwards, more than enough.
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.666m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.875m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m)
Michael Rupp ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Carl Hagelin ($0.875m)
/ Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Brandon Prust ($1.100m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.087m) / Anton Stralman ($1.200m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($1.275m)
BUYOUTS: Chris Drury ($1.666m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,543,561; BONUSES: $1,462,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $3,756,439
It’s the following system that is the problem. You have Drury’s buyout off the books, but that’s about it. Of course, we have no idea what the cap number will be by then, so it’s entirely possible it works with no issue. But this is also why I much prefer Carter to Nash. That extra $2.6m Nash makes is absolutely crippling, both in cap hits and players lost because of it. In theory, Carter could be added with minimal roster impact.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
thank you sir. I know I’m in the minority but I think the cap stays at least the same. I don’t think it will come down as suggested or that a “roll back” will happen.
I’m not worried as much about rollback as them changing the rules to avoid the front/backloading on deals. If salary = cap hit in the future, it will have considerable impact, especially considering that we have Lundqvist’s ‘retirement’ contract eventually due.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, just that in itself would be almost like a cap ceiling reduction. Could be more of an argument to pick up a guy like Carter and his contract since those things wont be allowed and you will never get a guy like him for that kind of cap hit.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think they grandfather existing contracts and may change the rule going forward to not allow them in exchange for allowing the one-time “amnesty” for bad contracts. That’s my guess. so Parise’s contract can be signed on July 1st ahead of the 9/15/12 CBA deadline, lol.
by Richter1994 on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
that 2.6mil is going to be important because off hand i know stepan and hagelin AA mcdonagh and sauer are RFAs
Some people don’t see the big difference but that amount equals a very good RFA. So not only do you have to give up more for Nash you also lose more on the other side due to cap hit.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Er…following season.
Also, it’s easier to move a guy like Dubinsky two years from now, after someone like Kreider establishes himself. If you do it before, you’re guessing.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yup and give Dubi a chance to build up his value again.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
if the Rangers can get Carter without moving Dubi then Carter looks a whole lot better to me right now, his resemblance to Bobby Carpenter aside.
by Richter1994 on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
That roster only has 11 forwards
There is a good chance the 12th will be Kreider (at least at some point in the season) and he will not be all that cheap – probably close to $2 million. That leaves less than $1 million each for the 2 depth slots, which is certainly doable. Although still leaves some issues the following year.
I’m aware. $3.75m for the 12th forwards + depth. Even if Kreider signs for $2m, you still have $1.75m for a 13th. In that case they probably wouldn’t carry 14. (not like they are now anyway)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Erixon moving, at all. That is roughly the value though.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wolski/Thomas/1st?
throw in Zucc if they want him
That I would do in a heartbeat.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I personally start with Thomas and Valentenko, then figure out the rest.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
what I don't get about your POV on Erixon...
If there was a forward prospect of equal value in the same situation Erixon was in, don’t you think the Rangers would have made the same move? If so, why not flip him for a forward, a need more pressing to the Rangers the way the team is currently constructed?
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Not necessarily, they could’ve had Turris likely for cheaper, and didn’t do anything there. I could absolutely be wrong, but he’s a tremendous prospect, and I don’t see them giving him up for even a guy like Nash, let alone Carter. You’d need to be talking about absolute superstars for them to move him.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
IMO
Erixon is a better prospect than Turris, but not a better prospet than Schenn, who was traded for Mike Richards, a player on the same level as Nash.
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Fair enough. It just doesn’t strike me as a situation where they’ll flip the player. I’d sooner see them give up McIlrath.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
We have decent prospect depth at forward. Really outside of Erixon and maybe McIlrath there isn’t much. And how this team is constructed is defense first
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but all our d-men are young...we can always draft more to restock
filling the ranks isn’t a pressing matter
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I think it is more of an issue of free agent status. Once Girardi and Staal hit FA in a few years we might have to trade one for cap reasons. So you want to have a prospect ready to move in. Drafting takes years of defensmen development. We got a bit lucky with Erixon since he was already ahead of that curve. I think he is going to be key not only in skill but on being able to make moves for cap reasons.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
yeah that makes sense if that's the case
but i really don’t think we’d need to trade any defenseman….as it stands, there are really no forwards on the team that are earning a significant pay increase….maybe callahan into the 5 mil range, and stepan (not sure what he’s making) but it wouldn’t be a huge contract either way (prob in the 3s)
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I think Cally who is making $4.3 now hitting free agency in a few years looking at how he has progressed might command a bit more than $5m.
You will have to trade someone if you have Staal, Girardi, McD, Sauer, MDZ, McIlrath, Erixon. Cap sense would make you look to keeping the cheaper/younger option if there isnt that much gap skill wise.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
George. I continually see Wolski’s name come up with every trade rumor. This is a guy we wouldn’t dress over Bickel . I can’t imagine WW being sought after as a piece in any trade. It seems like it would be a win win for NY, but being a RFA after this year a lose lose for a team like Columbus because if he was not given a qualifying offer or signed to an offer sheet he would more than likely walk away. Is this just VERY wishful thinking on our part? IMO, Columbus gave up Voracek , a 1st rounder (Sean Couturier), and a 3rd rounder. I would imagine they would want to recover at least what they laid out for him. I’m not sure WW and a prospect would cover it. Thoughts?
some teams will take a flyer on his talent
and/or really like his salary coming off the books next season
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It’s beyond the player itself. Say what you want about him, but he’s still a 24 y.o. that can put up ~40-50 points in a season in a bad year. No, we don’t dress him, but that’s systematic as much as it is his talent.
If you’re taking on 10 years of a guys remaining contract, the least CBJ can do is take back the expiring deal. Plus again, he’s not completely useless, he just doesn’t fit the Rangers’ model (though I still think we could use his offense, but whatever)
The question you can ask yourself in things like this “Who in their right mind is taking Gomez?” GMs do some crazy shit sometimes. I think often we give them too much credit in these ‘hot stove’ type situations.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
And CBJ could look at it as a salary dump in disguise. They have a few deals that they need to get out of. Although would they give Howson another chance to sign another big FA even if he managed to dump Carter or say Wisniewski?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
There isnt a lot of shame for a player who cant crack a deep team in 1st place that doesn’t play a complimenting style.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
My only thought on that is , this would be the 3rd time WW was on the move at 24 y.o. It seems a change of scenery has not helped him twice in his young career. He just does not seem to fit on anyone’s roster or future plans so far.
True and valid point.
Though 5 teams took a chance on Alexandre Daigle so anything is possible. ;)
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Dumb and Dumber:
So you’re saying there’s a chance!
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
think about it like this
columbus fans are sitting there saying, ,“i cant believe we gave up that much for carter. and hes signed for the next ten years, what gm is dumb enough to take on that deal?” its all about perspective. they want to rebuild, again, so young players and prospects with little risk are probably attractive.
by nhl21 on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hes still scoring more then Dubi.
Lol
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
These rumors suck. Why are we just looking at Nash and Carter? What else is out there ??
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What happened to Ryan and Parise rumors lol
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The reality is that any move Sather makes will come completely out of left field. You almost never see an actual Rangers trade leaked before hand.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Slats is working up a trade for Nash just to see what they want and then at the last minute he says never mind, we will take Carter instead and remove a bunch of players off the table.
But ultimately I cant imagine CBJ would be looking to remove Nash from the team and keep Carter.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
But ultimately I cant imagine CBJ would be looking to remove Nash from the team and keep Carter.
Absolutely. I could see them moving both before only moving Nash.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Incorrect: By his self-proclamation, Brooks knows everything
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
anaheim still believes they have an outside chance of making the playoffs… parise we’d have to hope we sign him in the off-season because there’s no way nj trades him to us.
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We get Glen to “Sather” a team into trading for Parise then trade him to us. Lol
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unrelated note
George Parros has the same amount of goals as Gomez this year.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s just…….sick……..poor Gomez….time to retire. How long are they stuck with him.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we’ve already beat this horse to death numerous times. In terms of adding a top-flight goal scorer, this is by far the cheapest, most available option. The cap hit is low enough to fit in while being able to have money for RFAs.
I think it should be doable for less than what they paid (if Howson thinks he’s getting the equivalent of what he originally paid, I think he’s pissing into the wind).
My biggest hope is that it can be done without sacrificing a roster player, because I’d rather keep Dubi/AA for the playoffs. 1st/3rd and a couple of prospects should get it done.
Exactly. There are legitimate concerns with him as a player but right now I dont think you are going to land any goal scorer like him for that price. Many teams must be reluctant to pick him up with his attitude and salary but we could afford that risk I think.
If we could land him without giving up a roster player or Kreider, Erixon/McIlrath I think you gotta do it.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I don’t want to move AA or Dubi as of right now. Dubinsky’s line with Boyle and Prust has brought a lot of energy and intensity over the past few games and Anisimov looks like he got his confidence back about a week or so ago. We’ll have the cap room moving forward to keep everyone and add Carter.
I just dont know where you would put him. Most logical place would be next to BR and Cally but those two take a lot of shots and Carter takes a shitload as well.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a matter of B-Rich needing shots. I think most of them (at least in the past) were a product of him being at the point on the PP (I’m sure George is waiting with a stat to tell me I’m wrong). But if you add a guy like Carter on his wing, then the more important thing is for B-Rich to keep his point totals up with assists because Carter would easily be the 2nd-best shooter on the team behind Gaborik.
You can also slot Carter in at center and give him Stepan/Dubi/Cally/Hagelin. Not sure if Torts/Slats are planning on Stepan being at center permanently. But it’s an option.
Stepan's a playmaker...
…so you would want him at the pivot so he has more ice to look at. Then again, Kane does not seem to have an issue making plays from the wing. Depends on if he can adapt and if his face-offs do not improve.
Carter-Stepan-Gaborik.
Anisimov-Richards-Callahan
Dubinsky-Boyle-Prust
Rupp/Feds-Mitchell-whoever I’m forgetting
Stepan’s goals will dip, but his assists would skyrocket distributing to Carter/Gaborik.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Haggs?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah him. I’m tired. Move him up, Prust down.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think a 4th line of Haggs-Mitchell-Fed is pretty sick depth. Use Rupp in physical games.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
lack of defense on L1?
Gaborik’s defense has improved drastically this season, but I still like a defensive presence on L1…I’d like to see anismov in a more offensive role, so I’d like to put Hagelin at LW1…he does a lot of the same shit Anismov does with his speed.
Hagelin-stepan-Gaborik
Anismov-Carter-Callahan
Dubi-Boyle-Prust
Rupp-Mitchell-Feds
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check that
Hagelin-Stepan-Gaborik
Anismov-Carter-Callahan
Dubi-Richards-Mitchell
Rupp-Boyle-Prust
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we’ve been complaining about how richards doesn’t have a scorer playing with him…. i don’t see him centering the 3rd line playing with dubinsky and mitchell. The GAS line has been performing as of late and I like the play of dubi/boyle/prust
Anisimov-Stepan-Gaborik
Carter-Richards-Callahan
Dubinsky-Boyle-Prust
Hagelin-Mitchell-Fedotenko/Rupp
best lines right here
definitely keep GAS together.
Carter slots best with Richie.
the boyler line is doing good things
and I think Mitchell’s chemistry with Hags will spark him hes been kinda quiet recently. Plus Hagelin Mitchell Fedentenko will be a SICK fourth line, will rip apart bottom 5/6 defenses hahah Hags’/Mitchell’s goals will skyrocket IMO.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 13, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’d flip Callahan and Prust in that situation, or put Hagelin on Richards win and Prust down.
Carter-Richards-Callahan in an average year would take like 800 SOG, they wouldn’t get enough ice time to mimic that, so someone would likely suffer. Similar to why Carter-Nash-whatever doesn’t make much sense. Not enough pucks
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a good point. what about reuniting the pack line?
Hagelin-Stepan-Gaborik
Carter-Richards-Mitchell
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Feds/Rupp-Boyle-Prust
Maybe that works. Passer, scorer, and possession guy on each line.
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>Anisimov looks like he got his confidence back about a week or so ago<
Agreed. I said I wouldn’t miss him about a week and a half ago. Immediately afterward something snapped in him. He’s been a presence.
Maybe he got a girlfriend?
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by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Two things-
First, Columbus isnt sending scouts to our games to watch prospects, they want someone from the current roster. And second, with regards to the attitude issue, the Rangers carried Avery on this team for a time this year and didnt play too bad. I think they know how to deal with an attitude issue in the locker room, and if not, there is always Torts.
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I dont really want any attitude come playoffs. I know Torts can deal with it, but he shouldnt have to. he has a team that buys into his system. no need to mess with it.
plus, wasn’t Carter’s (and Richards) issue that he was a hard partier? Being in NY certainly wont help that problem. What will Torts do, ground him to his hotel room?
I feel this team’s biggest strength is their chemistry and work ethic. I dont feel it should be tampered with, especially with guys who could disrupt the chemistry. I prefer knowns, rather than unknowns, but that’s just my personality.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
There were quite a few hard partieres on the 94 cup team.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Who is comparing teams?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
different team
I dont think you can make comparisons. I dont know who you are referencing in particular, but if its guys like Mess and Graves, I would never worry if they partied the night before, because you always know what you will get on the ice.
I dont know if Carter brings that level of professionalism. Hell, if he is playing lazily in Columbus, because he doesnt want to be there, then that’s a huge red flag. He is a professional athlete who has one of the best jobs in the world. Obviously, Philly saw something they didnt like to trade these guys.
I tend to read the writing on the wall.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I am not comparing teams. You said you were concerned that NYC is not the best place for someone that likes to party. My reply was there were quite a few players on the 94 team that liked to party and did pretty well. If any player in any city wants to party hard, they will. plain and simple.
I am not convinced and either are a lot of Philly fans that that was the main issue. And even if he did it sure didnt hurt his performance.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
don murdoch
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Please stop with the ‘party hard’ crap. Another issue that has been bludgeoned to death on this site.
if we are so concerned about the chemistry of this team, the all aspects of a player should be considered, on and off the ice.
plus, my belief is that we only hear a smidgeon of what goes on off the ice, so I tend to believe its worse than what leaks out.
again, just my opinion. as are every one of these posts.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well lets say worst case scenario things do not work out… the gms want an amnesty clause in the next cba agreement meaning a one-time buyout that does not count against the cap. I know it would be one hell of a buyout but it’s a possibility.
I'd hate to rely on a possible buyout
I am just a bit gun shy with the long contracts. If we trade for Carter, we need to consider him being with the team for the long-term.
I guess it all depends on what we give up. if its not a roster spot, then I am much less nervous. If its Dubi then I get scared. Dubi is struggling mightily but we know his personality and his level of intensity. and he can always start scoring. he tends to perform better in high intensity situations.
if Carter doesnt work out, we lost a good roster guy for him.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Pick you poison…long contracts or high cap hit.
Or in Nash’s case, both.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
mine personally is Lagavulin scotch
but I’d rather stay pat than trade at all. that’s my poison, which I guess is not drinking the poison at all.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
but if columbus is willing to give him to us as a salary dump and in return receive a prospect or two along with a draft pick and wolski you can see why many of us are willing to take on his contract.
absolutely
totally agree. and then if for some reason he doesnt work out, I wont lose any sleep. I would only be concerned if Dubi or the like is involved.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
But They Liked to Party
Its a fact. There were always out on the town and Jersey shore.
by Blueshirts Rock on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
…Young rich guys like to party…you think the Rangers instantly go home after every game, brush their teeth, and go to sleep by 11?
Really people, get a grip.
They own restaurants and bars. They go work in the kitchen.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Get Carter
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He’s a winner…I guess…
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Boobie Ryanz ?
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Montreal has absolutely no one of interest for us (or at least they shouldn’t).
by I.LikeMittens on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Cole I would guess would be the guy on the radar.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
They want McD back
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about that...
Middleton/Hodge, Bertuzzi, McCabe, Ruutu for Linden, Spezza, Chara, Muckalt for Yashin, the Luongo trade… is it coincidence that three of the four were Milbury? :P
Bingo
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by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want Carter and I don’t want Nash. It’s not like the time is running out for the Rangers and they need to make some desperate move to try and win the cup. Let’s see what this team can do in the playoffs. If Sather can add a rental to give the team a bit more depth I have no problem but I don’t see any reason to add a big contract that may bite us in the ass.
The only interesting player I see on Columbus’ team would have been Huselius. He’s offensive numbers are almost as good as those of Nash and he’s an UFA this summer. Unfortunately he’s injured and from what I read won’t be back this season.
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I was willing to give up Dubior &/or Artie for Nash but not so for Carter. I have never liked his attitude. Just one lazy skater can impact an entire team. Avery was a wingnut but no one could ever accuse him of being lazy. To be a successful Ranger these days you have to be a tough, two way player. I dont think Carter fits that description.I know we have a legit shot at making a cup run but I dont want a malcontent on this team for years to come.
I’ll take my chances with what we have and then target someone like Parise in the offseason.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions
Parise will probably get a cap killing contract too.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
his cap hit is gonna be somewhere around nash’s which means dubi or someone else on the roster has to go.
Not to mention his attitude didn’t seem to be an issue on teams he was on that made the conference finals and Cup finals in 3 seasons.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I still think Parise is destined for Minnesota
they will offer him the best money to be the face of their franchise. Seems an Ocham’s Razor solution to me.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Devils are screwed without Parise. He’s the guy id love on our team. Devils might as well pack it up and say goodbye to there franchise for a few years with the aged brodeur and high Kovy contract….and no parise there boned.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't say that man
They’d be infinitely better with Parise, but they have some good young talent…they may not be top contenders, but they aren’t going anywhere; with or without Parise.
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This team may be good enough as is to win a cup but if they must make a move, I’m now leaning towards it being for a Whitney or smyth type. Someone who brings PP help, leadership for the playoffs and won’t cripple them financially. Then, use the left over money to take a run at Bobby Ryan in the off season via trade or to try and sign Parise should he become a free agent. I can’t think of two players who fit the Rangers style of play while adding 30+ goal abilities, better than either of these two players.
Whitney is done we are not getting him
PHX is back in the playoff picture, unless they lose all their games up to the deadline it most likely will not happen.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
i’m not for trading anyone, they’re playing so well and scoring a bit more now, PP looks better, D is still very strong. but, Bickel has really shown a strong tough game, even at forward. is it possible he’s being showcased?
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The problem with dealing Bickel is that if another D-man were to get injured (god forbid), Bickel is the only guy other than Wowitka that I’d trust to fill the void. You need depth on D as the season wears on and Bickel has shown the ability to at least be a strong 3rd pair partner.
I’m all for giving Erixon some minutes but I’m not sure I want to make the D younger and more inexperienced than it already is for a serious playoff run. That’s why I’d like them to add another veteran like Hal Gill or someone to solidify that group.
Hal Gill is a pylon. Pretty good positional defender with nice stick work, but is slow as hell and loses corner battles all the time if he can’t angle the opposition player away from the puck. If we have an issue against speedy teams as it is right now, Gill would only make that problem much worse. Someone will overpay for him—it just won’t be us.
bickel + wolski + ???
not a fan of trading Dubi, he is playing well, if he starts adding some offense like he has, it’ll only make them better which has to be scary to the rest of the league.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
Bickel and Wolski? Sure, we all like Bickel’s toughness, but Bickel is a throw in, not a centerpiece, and Wolski has less value than a VCR.
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that was insulting to my VCR
its still plays my vintage porn cassettes and the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Betamax then?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with Dubinsky is that he has never been a consistent offensive producer. He works his ass off and has all the characteristics needed to play for this team but is not a guy they can rely on to put up top 6 forward type numbers.
well, he went 14/26, 13/28, 20/24, 24/30 in his first 4 full years (he’s still only 25). this year he’s off, but he’s playing a different game clearly. he has as many hits this year as all of last year. his shots are way down. so yes, he’s not playing the same offensive game, but what about everything else? would love to know what the rest of team really felt. set aside the contract and what he’s supposed to be doing, and what he’s actually doing for a successful team?
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
I still believe this year is an outlier. of course, his ceiling may realistically be only 25/25 per year, but he does alot more with PK, hitting, sticking up for teammates, etc. and you have to consider that 50 pts on the Rangers probably equates to 65-70pts somewhere else. the Rangers dont score much.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
With Avery gone, he is the top “piss off opposing teams” guy. I can’t think of a guy the Flyers or Bruins hate more then him.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Cool line from yesterday's CBJ game:
Fedor Tyutin (4) (Power Play)
Assists: Jeff Carter, Vinny Prospal
Frankie just creamed his pants reading that...
All that’s missing is Jared Boll deflecting that one in.
Jeff Carter
Yep. He is the answer to all of the Rangers problems…what is the matter with the majority of you? You really want that whiner on the team?
not really
people want more goals. my question is, will he even score more and at what cost?
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so you’re telling me that if you got traded from a cup contending team to the worst team in the nhl you wouldn’t be complaining too? I didn’t hear him whining too much when he was on philly.
in the same vein
that doesn’t make him much of a professional. you see lots of quality players on bad teams playing their asses off.
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Quality players on bad teams were more than likely drafted by that team and have a sense of loyalty. Carter signed a sweetheart lifetime deal with Philly thinking he would be there to stay. Going from a team you love playing for (being a contender at the time helps as well) to the worst team in the league would leave anyone irked, you cannot deny that.
Not sure if serious. But ill bite.
If you were him, not saying you are of course, but if you were.. would you want to be traded to CBJ after signing that contract in Philly?
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not the point
he is a professional with a job most of us can only dream about. you play hard even if your season is over.
I wouldnt want to go to hockey purgatory but I wouldnt play any less hard.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m looking past that. I look at his body of work and what he did for the team in Philly. He was a consistent goal scorer who averaged 36 goals over the last 4 years. I think his issue is that he wants to win and knows there isn’t a chance of that happening in Columbus.
if he is indeed playing lazy in COL, then he is going about it the wrong way. I’d respect him more if he said he wanted to be traded (which I guess he has). playing crappy hockey to force the team to trade you in sad and unprofessional. He should make the best of his situation. if not go to Europe.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
my argument all along has been if columbus is willing to give him to us for say wolski, zucc, thomas and a first or something along those lines i would do it. if they want any current players im staying pat with the team and maybe grab a rental. someone like a ray whitney if phoenix drops out of the playoff chase.
Maybe he just can’t put up the number we’re used to seeing from him on that terrible team. Doesn’t mean he’s tanking on purpose.
true, very hard to prove anything.
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by truebluesince75 on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nash is angry with Columbus management for the same reason.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Carter
Here are some quotes from Carter after the trade from Philly.
“You feel anger and betrayal, and all the emotions that go with being traded,” Carter said. “Sometimes it’s best to sit back and think about what you’re going to say rather than get right out there and say things you’ll regret.”
“My decision not to talk had absolutely nothing to do with being traded to Columbus,” Carter said. “I know it’s a team that has struggled in the past, but there’s a great future. I’m excited to be there, to be a part of it.”
I’m not sure what about these quotes is whining. To me, he was mature in that he took time to let his emotions settle before he addressed the media and fans. He had every right to be upset/disappointed too. He clearly wants to win which is why he was bummed at first by being traded by a cup contender to a basement dweller. You don’t think he’d be fired up to play for NY? You don’t think he’d love a shot at sticking it to the Flyers?
I’ll put it another way then, please don’t Neil Smith the team. Perhaps we can add a few goals, but to do so we risk losing an amazing defensive team. We may not always pot six goals, but this team wins. A lot.
Carter is above average in his own zone can win faceoffs..why would we be worse defensively if we acquired him?
by KingHenrik on Feb 13, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we’re giving up Dubi we’d be worse defensively, but the excess offense overwhelms the defensive loss.
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I don’t think there’s a difference between Carter and Dubinsky defensively.
by KingHenrik on Feb 14, 2012 8:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know Carter’s game well enough, but I’ll take your word for it.
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Why exactly do we need Carter?
If only to piss off philly…but we already totaly own them…I would make no trades except trying to send WW somewhere.
There’s a reason why he got pushed out of Philly (and I don’t think making cap space for spaceman Bryz was the reason). There’s a reason why he’s on the trading block (if he is!). Not comparing the two’s ability but look at WW – reason why he got moved from Col to Phx & from Phx to us ….
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
yea I'd have to agree with these guys
The logic in that is terrible. Idk what the exact reason for trading him is obviously signing a guy to a 10 year contract isn’t the way to push a guy out…it was more or less to make room, the guy they pushed out was on the otherside of the locker room, richards.
by klh2009 on Feb 13, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The fact it was Carter and Richards had to do mainly with Pronger being an alpha-type who always had to be in charge. Who the hell knows what went on with that team, but they decided to let Pronger run the show (obviously working out REAL well for them at this point), and since there was an apparent feud between him and Richards (remember all that bullshit with Richards just giving up his captaincy to Pronger?) Richards and his best buddy got shafted.
So they shipped out arguably their 2 best young players (Giroux hadn’t truly emerged yet) on the whims of Pronger, and used the money to sign Bryzgalov. Now, Pronger is all but retired, and they’re already talking about buying out Bryzgalov. Only thing good that came out of any of that bullshit was Couturier.
Simmons and Voracek as well. Good players.
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Very Hesitant
to make a big move. Less about money, more about chemistry. Am willing to give WW (if totally healthy) a two week “try out” and/or give The Hobbit another shot if the offense returns to ineptitude. Need to stay the course for consistent long-term success. Like Detroit, I want to be in/near this position for the next DECADE.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions
Bringing in a big name (Carter, Nash, etc.) not only brings a new face, but necessarily means getting rid of one or two Rangers (Dubinsky, et al). While allowing WW or Hobbit to play tweaks the chemistry, it’s not nearly as disruptive of adding a total “stranger” and departing with “friend(s).”
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by Stepan the Ice! on Feb 13, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
okay so even if the trade required wolski valentenko/zucc, a prospect or two and a pick you wouldn’t do it?
You make a good point with your hypothetical. I would make that trade, or any trade that would not remove a regular player from the big club. But I highly doubt that such a trade would be accepted for any “big” name player in return. But perhaps Sather can work his Jedi magic. . .
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by Stepan the Ice! on Feb 13, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s possible because it seems like the team wants to rebuild and what would a team want if they decide to rebuild? picks and prospects. who knows maybe wolski and zucc work out. They’re both young players (both 24 I think) and along with a prospect or two along with a 1st rounder that could seem very attractive to a team looking to start over.
Yes, there aren’t many sellers at this point which goes against that belief, but Carter’s situation is a bit different. Sather has made some exceptional trades over the past few seasons, and I think that ttrend will continue.
What i meant to say was that Carter’s situation goes against the fact that it is a seller’s market thus far.
I dont think there is much a market for a contract like that.Not that many would be willing to take him on.
You can forget about a bunch of teams in the basement since they dont want a repeat of what happened in CBJ.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think, after reading all these great comments, that I'm leaning..........
………….toward bringing in a character guy like Shane Doan for the upcoming playoff run.
I think if you could get Carter for NO roster players you do it. But if not, there’s no sense in upsetting what has been a fairly balanced, hard working team sitting on top of the league standings. What kind of message does the braintrust send to the players if they rip out one of the integral pieces in a Brandon Dubinsky and trade him away for a total stranger?
I would much rather see Shane Doan on Broadway with his grit and his desire to finally win something in this league then anything else. Then, in the summer (hopefully after a nice long parade and some touring with a certain silver chalice); you sit down and try to bring in a Bobby Ryan or a Jeff Carter. (If Carter can still be had relatively cheaply).
I just don’t think we need that huge free agent like we did in years past.
Trust
Part of being the best, means recognizing areas of weakness and trying to strengthen them for the long haul. The schedule and road to the cup only gets tougher from this point on. I’m all for making improvements as long as it doesn’t upset the team chemistry (which I trust Tortorella to have a handle on) or set them back in the long run. I don’t think either will happen just by adding a player or 2 at the deadline. This is a strong group and I’m sure anyone who comes in, will buy into what they have going on here.
Getting Carter is a very good idea and this is why
I will propose two scenarios: and show how in each adding Carter will help us.
First Scenario: Dubi is involved in a Trade (more likely)
Second Secnario: Dubi is not involved (less likely)
First some background information on Carter:
Carter is young, he just turned 27. Carter in his career in the NHL, if you take his production rate (ie what he is on pace for in every NHL season), has averaged 31 goals and 27 assists per season. Carter got fleeced by Philly by getting traded right before his NTC kicked in on the long contract he just signed, he absolutely hates PHILLY. This all happened simultaneously with him moving to one of the worst teams in the NHL, yet he still is on pace for 28 goals this season and 18 assists (if he played all 82 games). Say what you want about his personal life but this guy is a second tier goal scorer that could help us considerably. I am sure he would put it together if given the opportunity on a cup contender let alone HATED RIVAL of the team that FLEECED The hell out of him. He would be much happier here and I am positive his production would reflect that. He is a gamble I am definitely willing to take. Now lets move on to the scenarios.
These trade scenarios will not include Erixon/Kreider as they are untouchables in my mind.
First Scenario: Dubi + 1st/2nd + MZA/Thomas/Mcillrath
This move is a medium reward/medium risk/cheap type deal. We run the risk of disrupting our chemistry by moving Dubi who does alot of intangibles for us, and we will not sure how Carter’s injury this season will pan out on him playing hard gritty games for the rest of this season and the playoffs. But it is very good for us when it comes to the cost because we get to move a 4ish mill contract for a 5ish mill contract and it will be easier on us to keep our important players in 2012-2013. This type of trade is most likely to happen because i am sure CBJ will want a roster player in return for Carter.
Second Scenario: Wolski + 1st + Thomas/St Croix + MZA/Mcillrath
This move is a medium reward/low risk/expensive type deal. We do not run any risk of disrupting chemistry. However it will be harder to keep our young guys and give everybody raises later down the road because Dubinsky is still a 4ish mill cap hit. We might have to get rid of players later on down the road. This type of trade is less likely to happen because I really doubt CBJ will remove Carter for just picks because essentially Wolski is just a throw in here.
The only trade we should be making, if we HAVE to make one, would be trading essentially nothing for a 1 year rental. Getting rid of anyone on our team right now would be a mistake with the way we’re playing this year. We can beat the top teams in the league with the guys we have now, so why mess with that? I get that all of you who are pro trading want a goal scorer, but there’s more to the game than scoring goals. Most goal scorers in the league can’t fit into our system like our current roster players can. Richards had the entire offseason after he signed with us to prepare for the system, not to mention he had already played under Torts so he was familiar. Any system-type team can win if you stick with what you’ve got. Just look at Detroit.
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Detroit
Valid point and I love the Detroit reference. They have no better “scorers” than the Rangers with the exception of Datsyuk, but he is more of an assist man at this stage anyway. They are the model to follow though without a doubt because they built a lot from within and did it for a long period of time which allows them to be good EVERY year.
They have no better "scorers" than the Rangers with the exception of Datsyuk
And Zetterberg, and both are 2-way monsters.
Detroit also doesn’t waste time with fighters and goons on the 4th line. They’re grittier on the 3rd and 4th lines than the top 6, but their guys can play hockey, up and down the lineup.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
And their scorers can kick your ass – Bertuzzi and Franzen for example
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
But trading say Dubinksy, prospect(s), and picks wouldn’t solve the fighters and goons problem. We’d still have them, but we would lose a key part of our team. It’s not always about filling cap space to win. Like I said, stick with the system and the winning will come for years.
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, my point is that the Rangers have those kind of players too. Is Zetterberg or Franzen any better than Callahan at this point? Datsyuk is great but the Rangers have guys like Richards and Gaborik. Basically, they have their scorers, role players, defense(both forwards and D) and goaltending and so do the Rangers. The fourth lines are similar too. Neither team employs goons or guys who can only fight. They get production from their 4th line just like the Rangers.
Is Zetterberg or Franzen any better than Callahan at this point?
Zetterberg is, yes.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I agree. Statistically, Zetterberg only bests him in assists. While I realize there is more to hockey than stats, we all know Callhan possesses the intangibles as well.
We’re looking at career year from Callahan and down year for Zetterberg. Z’s still a better player. It’s closer maybe than in seasons past, but he’s still better.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Krieder earlier anyone?
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If I’m Kreider, unless I’m relatively certain of playing in the NHL I stay put.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Finally, Botta notes that Sather may be reluctant to to sign Kreider so late in the N.H.L. season because if he makes the lineup for even one game, a year is counted on his three-year entry-level contract, moving him closer to free agency.
Erm…I’ll double check that, but I’m pretty sure his ELC slides unless he plays 10 games.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be interested in that answer, George. I figured from Botta’s statement there might be an end of year clause or something.
BTW, how long do the Rangers retain rights to sign Kreider – since they drafted him 2.5 years ago?
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, was wrong on the first.
The ELC only slides on those conditions during the 18-19 y.o. years. He’s 20 already, so yeah, he’d burn the ELC year by playing this year.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Anisimov’s contract in 07-08 slid despite 74 games + playoffs with Hartford, so I think it’s only NHL-level games that matters.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thought that was because he was younger? Meh, can’t check Capgeek from this computer, otherwise I’d dig through what you posted above.
Right, because he’s 19 there. Once 20 hits, it doesn’t matter where you are.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
is it true Krieder doesnt even want to play here?
I heard he doesn’t even wanna play for NY .
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part of a feature for the boston herald on him
link here
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To those worried about mortgaging the future, wanting to build from within, etc..
Building only from within presents us with two problems. First of all, we do not have any ELITE talent in our system. We never have top 5 picks, it is nearly impossible to have homegrown talent that is elite level. People here tend to build up hype around Kreider that he will come in and be a point per game rookie, which is very unlikely and certainly not for sure. I never want to trade him,because of his potential, but it is an unknown. We have built up a GREAT core of players, gritty hard working guys, that are generally 2nd and 3rd liners. We can build a great core, a great framework, a great attitude and work ethic – but it eventually needs to be supplemented with some elite players from outside the system to take it to the next level. The second “problem”, which is a great problem to have, is that we are so deep. In the next 2 years, Kreider, Thomas, Bourque, JAM, St. Croix, Miller, Fasth, Erixon, McIlrath, Valentnko, etc could all be ready to make the squad. How many roster spaces do you see opening up in the next 2 years? Feds spot, and what else? Rupp in 2.5 years. Gabby in 2 years but depending how it plays out and how he plays, maybe he is resigned at $5m. There simply are not enough spots. Eventually, some of the names I just mentioned may pan out well enough to outplay and force out a core player, like Dubi.
We are doing ourselves no favors to hold on to so many guys that we can never add to the roster. It makes sense to deal say one roster player, one prospect, and one pick for an elite player that can elevate us to the next level for the next several years. I do not think Nash is it. I am not sure Carter is it. If Parise is it, we still need to jettison a roster player and salary this summer. But I don’t think you can categorically dismiss any deal that involves our assets. We can make a big move now or this summer and still be true to our homegrown approach, and be a contender for the next 5 years.
You don't need to be a first round pick...
First rounders don’t always turn into great players and great players are not always first rounders. Again, look at Detroit…
Zetterberg: DRAFTED: DET / 1999 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 7TH (210TH OVERALL)
Datsyuk: DRAFTED: DET / 1998 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 6TH (171ST OVERALL)
Franzen: DRAFTED: DET / 2004 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 3RD (97TH OVERALL)
Flippula: DRAFTED: DET / 2002 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 3RD (95TH OVERALL)
Howard: DRAFTED: DET / 2003 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 2ND (64TH OVERALL)
Hudler: DRAFTED: DET / 2002 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 2ND (58TH OVERALL)
Lidstrom: DRAFTED: DET / 1989 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 3RD (53RD OVERALL)
Kronwall: DRAFTED: DET / 2000 NHL ENTRY DRAFT, ROUND: 1ST (29TH OVERALL)
Missing anyone?
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit’s Euro scouting is also out of this world, and they’re much more likely to take a chance on the ‘soft European’ with high end skill.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
It is written, thou shalt not NOT take Djoos’ name in vain.
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Forget Carter & Nash
Neither fits the bill with this team. Both heavy minus players with hefty contracts. Bring in Smyth as a rental for this season. Take a shot at Parise, possibly trade for Ryan in offseason. Bringing in Smyth would be like the 94 team bringing in Steve Larmer.
Both heavy minus players with hefty contracts.
Two words: Steve. Mason. Carter’s only other year as a minus he got 52 games of Antero Nittymaki posting a .894 sv%
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Kris Kreider
I am a BC fan – this kid is the real deal. Untouchable in trade talks by Sather.
Michael Del Zotto
This is the player that should be included in any trade talks. Undersized, poor defensive skills – brings offense often at a cost. – PP still is awful. Often relies on Lundquist and D partner to cover his mistakes. Flops to the ice in desperation too often, cannot ride big players into boards, tie them up in corners and probably the worst shot blocking dman on the team. Poor mans “Mike Green” with an over-inflated +/-
So…what was it like being in a coma for the past 4 months? I’m glad to see you’ve finally recovered.
Actually, both my sons were injured days apart (sports related) one pretty badly. Just coming back to reality I guess.
Well, I am afraid I am just going to have to respectfully disagree with your expert opinion and leave it at that. He is a young kid, and several of us feel he has improved significantly.
Get a hold of this months USA Hockey Magazine – Read article on Jr Team DMen – you will see where I am coming from
are you guys watching mdz this season?
Mdz made several strides this year. He’s a heavy plus play, provies offense and is very physical for his size. I swear I feel like once pple make decisions on players, that’s how they’ll look at the forever. Idc how much you’ve coached or who you have, if you can’t see mdz improvment then your evaluating skills are god awful. Yes he has looked like a deer in healights in years passed, and I was leading the trade mdz train before, but cmon man, his defense has improved dramatically. No he’s not girardi or staal defensivly but they aren’t the players he is on offense. And the pp, so with that logic let’s get rid of richards because he was brought here to fix our pp…how’s that going?
by klh2009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with Blue Skys
he had a few months late in 2011 where he played better but he seems to screwing up positionally a lot lately.
Compared to where he was, he’s improved immensely. Nobody can deny that. With Staal going down, he instantly went from protected 3rd-pair D to playing 2nd pairing, and then when Sauer went down, you could damn-near watch the blood drain from our collective faces. But he’s held up under the pressure.
Look, he still has the occasional brain-fart, but they’re few and far-between compared to last year. You can’t blame him for anything wrong with the PP: it’s obviously a problem with the system, not with any 1 individual player.
His play has actually been one of the keys to the team’s success this season. Hands down he’s been our 3rd best D behind G/McD, and even with Staal/Eminger back he’s still there (until Staal regains his former dominance, of course).
Completely disagree. DZ is much grittier and better defensively than you’re giving him credit for. Plus, he has taken huge strides in becoming so much better than he was last year. That to me, shows his commitment and maturity. Two things that at his age, should bode well for his future. He also has an edge to him and when he plays physical, he can really hit.
Sorry just never liked him. As an interesting read, If you get USA Hockey Magazine interesting article about team USA Jr Team Defense – Smallest Dman is 6’3", 4 DMen at 6’4" and 1 Dman at 6’7" (Tinordi) This is the wave of the future. No place for small Dman in future NHL IMO.
One of our biggest weaknesses is scoring from the blue line, so by all means we should get rid of our top scoring defenseman.
By that margin, neither has noted PP specialist Brad Richards.
Your logic makes Dr. Spok want you punch you in the throat.
His logic
Is very illogical.
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Hate to break it to you, but the age of giant, slow, lumbering D went the way of the Dodo bird after the lockout and change in the rules system.
This shit just baffles me.
Again read the article in USA Magazine called Towers of Talent. It dispels you image of LUMBERING DMan. These kids are not only bigger than their predecessors THEY ARE FASTER and better skaters
Well, shit, McDonagh is only 6’1. Sorry, have to trade him.
You read one article in a US Hockey magazine and apparently the entire hockey world has been turned upside down.
Is it right next to your copy of the National Enquirer?
Sorry – but I don’t use sarcasm with my players to make a point and not going to start here as well. McDonagh is a much better Dman than Del Zotto all around. Do not know what qualifies you, me or are anyone here as an expert – but keep the shit comments to yourself – it would be appreciated
i think if you polled everyone on BSB and the rangers organization they would tell you that Del Zotto has matured in many aspects this year. Especially in the defensive zone. His offense was always there, but his lack of defense and confidence for that matter forced Torts to ship him to CT last season. He’s been physical since day one of this season and he’s also added a bit of nastiness to his game this year.
Have you watched a single game this year or are you watching replays from last season?
Watch a video of Richards OT winner the other night, see who never face up in the play to get the puck Anisinov. That’s right Del Zotto. Torts trusted him to be out there in OT, where 1 mistake could cost you the game. Pretty sure he’s had to prove (show?) That he can be out there when the game is on the line
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
granted, but MDZ STILL has the propensity for making dumb cross-ice passes like he did against TB that resulted in Stamkos’ goal. he does that in the playoffs and you’ll see how much Torts trusts him. MDZ is a much better player now but he still makes major gaffes that he should not be making anymore.
It’s not about him making gaffes, hell even the vet guys make really dumb plays every now and then (Richards with some horrible turnovers leading to goals, Callahan had one a few weeks ago when he didn’t get a puck deep on the PK that led to a goal). It’s about limiting those bad plays and improving as a player. He has done that. His improvement this year compared to last is just immeasurable.
And that’s what you want out of your young players. Continual improvement that comes from a commitment to become a better player. We weren’t sure if that was ever going to happen since it was obvious he and Torts didn’t get along at first, but it seems to be happening.
I have no problem with MDZ, just don’t make him sound like he’s untradeable, not saying you but the fans who do not ever acknowledge the bad side of his game.
I was as hard as anybody on MDZ’s play, even to begin this season. He’s not flawless, but nobody on this team is. People are just missing the vast improvement he’s made this year in both his play and his attitude. If that’s the case, he will probably continue to get better in the years to come.
Is he untradeable? No, anybody can go at anytime that doesn’t have a NTC/NMC. But I cringe when people want him shipped out because they haven’t seen the improvement in his play or they read an article in a magazine and he’s magically too short to play NHL defense.
Come on man..
With all due respect, take all our Dman off the pedestal. Yes, DZ makes mistakes. He’s young, and his offense helps us win games along with his growing defensive abilities. They ALL make mistakes. McD makes mistakes, what about the game where he had two terrible turnovers that directly led to two goals? A defenseman is going to make mistakes, and MDZ isn’t even supposed to be known for DEFENSE (see Fowler, Cam.) I think, being 21, his offensive stats and defensive ability make him a very good player with a high ceiling, and I find it slightly ironic so many want to trade him when I’d bet there are many teams out there that would LOVE to have him on that PP and even 2nd pairing.
i disagree,
i would very much appreciate if caerid would keep making you look foolish, I find it rather enjoyable.
AHH!!! LMFAO
(I Agree)…..I just sat here for like an hour reading all the comments (great read btw as always)….. and Blue Skys shows up and you all got me about to piss myself laughing! ABN!
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I just don’t get this obsession with hoarding prospects. None of which are elite level prospects anyway with the exception of Kreider. Even that is debatable. I’m not saying to deal all of them away, but if you can use one or two of them to get NHL ready talent that can help your team in an area of some weakness for this year and possibly the next several years, what is the reason not to? Like BigB22 said, most of these guys in the minors will have very few openings to crack the Ranger lineup with the tam as young as it is. So why not use some of that depth to get players who can help the big club now.
I trust that whoever is brought in here will buy into the system and fit in just fine. Again, I do not want to deplete the system or the ability to be good for many consecutive seasons, just use a piece or two to make this team BETTER.
None of which are elite level prospects anyway with the exception of Kreider.
And Erixon.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The issue is finding the best value for our prospects. Yes, eventually we are going to trade some. And no, not all of them will play for the Rangers. But trading multiple guys for a player thats not worth his contract, and will hurt the team in the future, is not finding good value for the assets.
Also, in the next two years were going to have (if we keep the course) AA, Step, Dubi, Cally, Hags, Kreider, Thomas, Staal, Girardi, McD, Sauer, MDZ, Erixon, Mcilrath, and Hank will all on the team. A lot of those guys weren’t elite prospects, but still found a way to contribute.
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Why? Explain to me why not.
AA Step Gabby
Kreider Richie Cally
Hags Dubi Thomas
xx Boyle Prust
Staal Girardi
McD Sauer
MDZ Erixon
Mcilrath
Hank
Why can’t that happen? I fail to see why not.
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By thinking about it for 10 seconds I was able to place all of our top prospects…
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Then can we trade the other ones for someone dope for the xx spot? JAM, St. Croix, Miller, Fasth, etc all don’t make your cut. Could be NHLers. Btw, I think any one of the guys I just mentioned might have a brighter future than Thomas.. I dunno why but I just have very little faith in him. Hope I am wrong though.
Because things happen, player regress, get hurt, just don’t fit anymore, want more money than they’re worth or are traded. Various reasons as to why ALL those players you mentioned will not all be re-signed or retained.
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That argument could be used for any person in the world in any situation.
My point is that the Rangers are in a position where their home-grown guys, with 2 additions, have led them to 1st place. The point is that this team is going to improve in the upcoming years and we are not in a desperate position to make one last run.
The point is that when you have assets, you make sure you get the best value out of them, whether they are playing for your team or not. Trading multiple assets for a guy who has cracked 70 points only once and is making a ridiculously high 7.8 million is NOT getting good value out of your assets.
Trading something like Mcilrath, WW, MZA, and Valentenko for Carter (similar to what they gave up to get him) IS getting the most out of your assets. Add Carter, keep most of the team in-tact, and bring up kids to replace the aging veterans. The team continues to get better, now and in the future.
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I would be particularly interested if we could avoid giving up core roster players, which I doubt. They traded Voracek, a 1st, and a 3rd for Carter, right? They wont get that much back, so how about…
Mcilrath (top 10 pick), Valentenko (3rd), Fasth+Wolski (Voracek).
Get rid of Rupp, and the money will work for next year. What do you guys think?
AA Step Gabby
Carter Richie Cally
Hags Dubi Mitchell
Feds Boyle Prust
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I’d assume Zucs might find his way in that deal instead of Fasth. That’s possible as well.
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In two years when all the RFA’s need to be re-signed, Dubinsky will most likely be traded for picks/prospects, and Kreider would take his roster spot. Replace Mitchell with Thomas and Feds with another kid, and the rest of the guys stay.
It allows us to add to the team this year without taking away from it in the future.
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I like the way you think. Better then dumping all those guys for one expensive dude.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. Get the most out of your assets as you can.
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Voracek had a hell of a lot more value than Wolski does now.
by KingHenrik on Feb 13, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not saying he doesn’t, but WW + MZA is comparable to Voracek.
Factor in that there is no way CBJ gets as much for Carter as they gave up, and you got yourself a fair deal.
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MZA and Wolski is not comparable to Voracek, neither of them have significant trade value; in fact I’m pretty sure the presence of Wolski brings down MZA in that package.
by KingHenrik on Feb 14, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not too sure about that.
2 players, both guys who have put up over .5ppg, both very young, and both have a lot of talent.
They might not fit into our system, but can make up 2/3rds of a very nice offensive line. (See Wolski-Step-MZA from last year).
Plus, no way CBJ gets back the same value as they gave up.
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I really all depends on how CBJ values him. But keep in mind this is a team that spent two 1st rd picks on Fitalov and Zherdev.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
See, they love those risky skill guys!
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Seeing as Wolski has been shopped by Sather with reports of “0 interest” and the Rangers buried MZA in Connecticut, I do not see them having as much value as Voracek who is younger than both and produces a lot more.
Not saying they have as much value.
But MZA put up over .5PPG here, and has over a PPG in CT. Just because he’s on the whale doesn’t mean other teams wouldn’t love to get their hands on him.
And Wolski doesn’t seem to generate much interest, but he still has potential to be good, especially for a team like CBJ. Add in another lower round pick if you want, but it should be enough.
Remember, they are shipping him out. They shouldn’t expect to get as much in return as they gave up.
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How about this…Tortorella and Sather(as much as he was responsible for the bad years) put this team together the right way. I’m sure neither one will be reckless enough or irresponsible enough to do anything that will screw that up now. I trust that whatever move they make or don’t make, will be the right one.
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Matts Zucarello & Stu Bickel
Zucarello should be mentioned as part of any trade package. Don’t think he fits the mold of this team. We were all hoping for 2nd coming of Martin StLouis – he has some potential, but was too inconsistent and not enough size and grit for this team. Hagelin & Mitchell are this years AHL call up sensations. Bickel played consistent for us but IMO coaching staff sees that he is a bit slow at times and probably will head back to the Whale -especially if Sauer makes it back this year.
MZA, WW, and Mcilrath could yield quite the return, and would help us in the long and short run.
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I don’t think the Rangers will trade Mcllrath. They gave him the C for the Traverse City tournament and he traveled with the team to Europe so that the coaches had more time to work with him. The Rangers hope that he’ll bring what Stu Bickel does atm but on a higher level.
I don't think they want to trade McIlrath
But if they can get good value for him in a trade they may decide to pull the trigger. You need to give value to get value (unless you’re trading with Montreal).
Honestly,
McIlrath definitely has trade upside, but I would much rather see him in action and gamble he becomes a mainstay in NY rather than trade an unknown quantity..I have a strange feeling he’s gonna be our Chara, a big dude who can play D, eat up minutes, clear the crease and scare the shit out of every opponent who dares to get close
Rangers D is young to begin with. While having a lot of depth on D is nice (as we see this year) Not all of these kids will have a place to play on Rangers. I am OK surrending some prospects if it helps us advance – have to give something to get something. Its a debate as to who I guess.
which prospects out of the following would you be okay with giving up?
Kreider Erixon JAM St. Croix Thomas Mcilrath MZA
All of em but Kreider and Erixon.
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I’d include McIlrath in there personally. My hope is his presence finally stops the line of 4th line fighters.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
If he being on the team allows us to stop the parade of fighters to this team, than he’s untouchable for me as well.
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the fourth line fighters have stopped
Rupp is more than that. We don’t win that WC game without him. He doesn’t do it often, but Mike Rupp is much more than a ‘4th line fighter.’
You need a Mike Rupp on the team. Same with Brandon Prust. You don’t need a Boogaard type (RIP big fella) ….. or a Brashear.
by KingHenrik30 on Feb 14, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I am sorry but Rupp is irrelevant
Guy has been visible for one game this season, the Winter Classic. That is it.
He’s had a couple of fights too. But honestly you never ever notice him on the ice outside of that.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about much more. Yes, he had a stellar WC, but it was one game this year where he had a notable impact. There are plenty of 4th liners or even AHL talents that can make more of an impact.
Rupp’s definitely an improvement, but I’d much rather have guys like Dominic Moore or Malhotra across the 4th line (with a guy like Prust) than him.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Bourque is still with us
Though he hasn’t done much in Hartford this year. He got sick early in the year and missed some time; hopefully that explains the lack of productivity since returning and he will show more next year. But right now his value in a trade is minimal.
I would trade any prospect in the right deal, with Kreider at the top of my do not trade list and Erixon 2nd. MZA I would trade in a second, since he is a FA with a large contract for his production. McIlrath, Miller or Thomas would be tough, but should be able to return good quality. St. Croix is having a big year and may have improved his status as trade bait, if it becomes necessary.
Any Chance of landing Statsny ?
What aboul Paul Statsny of Colorado? He is expensive ($6.6/year) but is only signed for 2 more seasons after this one. Colorado is rumored to be willing to trade him in order to rebuild with youth -particularl need: defensmen. LA is whispered to have dangled Jack Johnson.
Any way we could swing this ?
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Just curious why you want him. His numbers are below B Rich’s this year, and B Rich is having a career low year. That also puts Stepan on the wing or the 3rd line..
He would be a solid scoring option and playmaker at center. I dont know what his faceoff win % is but it has got to be better than Steppan’s. He costs us 30-45 seconds off every powerplay because he never wins the initial faceoff.
We need another scoring option other than Gabby, Cally and BR. Plus I think Stastny could produce even more on a better team than the Avs.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just say NO to Carter.
As mentioned above, 27 year olds with 30+ goal-a-year potential just don’t get traded twice within 6 months. There is a stank there that I know Torts wont want to deal with.
I’d much rather trade for depth and keep our farm system intact. I saw a lot of Red Wings references above and I can not recollect them making very many (IF ANY) “blockbuster” deals over the last 10-15 years. I say continue to draft well, develop our own talent and add where needed. This way their is continuity and if things go as they have been, steady progress.
To that end, I’d like to add another depth defenseman (Visnovsky would be an awesome #4 or #5 and #1 PP guy) and maybe a nice two way winger that wont cost us more than a mid range prospect or # 2 pick.
its not 30+ potential
its proven, he is on average a 31 goal per year scorer.
I’m with you, but let’s be fair about Carter.
He’s a proven 30 goal scorer, AND I doubt he has issues considering Philly signed him for a 10 year deal right before they traded him. They got a 1st, Voracek, and a 3rd in return for him. It’s not like they got rid of him for nothing.
And now, given the state of CBJ, is would make sense for them to blow it up.
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People seem to miss that. Would they really sign a locker room cancer to a 10yr deal with NTC built in? And CBJ needs to blow up that team that is why they would look to trade him.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 14, 2012 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan.
But I drafted Carter in fantasy and wound up dropping him because it seems like he’s day-to-day every other week. The separated shoulder hasn’t been his only injury this year, so there might be a reliability issue there.
Then again, he’s showing no signs of rust since coming back, and he puts the puck on net a ton.
If he can stay healthy and isn’t an attitude liability, I’d jump on him despite my misgivings.
Trade talk messing with your mind?
Honestly, we trade, we don’t trade – not a big deal in the humongous beeg universe!
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Seriously cool shit, can waste an hour playing with this…
bryzgalov is a thinker
a sage so to speak
lol
I’ve been on this thing for like 30 min now, it’s so awesome haha
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Just got off of it haha
Like Bryz, I am also very interested in the universe, have been literally for all my life. So seeing all the galaxies and stars compared in size to all those other things was actually pretty cool lol
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the idea that there is so much out there is just crazy. One day we’ll get there haha.
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
WOAH.
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A thought on our prospects at forward
It seems like we have a slew of good forward prospects (Kreider, Miller, Thomas, St. Croix). Given the deep talent on the Rangers, its unlikely that we could bring each of these guys up and give them the adequate line mates and ice time that they would need to develop properly and succeed. I mean do we really see all four in the lineup in a few years? Maybe its for the best that we trade one or two and really focus on the others.
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions
that said, Kreider and our defensemen should be untouchable (Erixon/McIlrath)
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
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Here are your highlights, #3 BC wins with 6 secs left in OT over #2 BU. Kreider assist and a goal:
Sweet.
I have heard several people today say that they do not think that Kreider wants to come to the Rangers. Is this just because he stayed in school an extra year, or has he said stuff??
After reading through the rest of the comments....
………….I think maybe we could try to pry Carter away from the Jackets; it would make me sick to my stomach to see Brandon Dubinsky play on another team but you know what?
It made me sick to my stomach to see Tony Amonte and Mike Gartner play on other teams as well.
Was I thinking about Amonte and Gartner on June 14th, 1994 at around 10:15pm? Nope.
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READ!, I was a “no” before I read these,,still am,don’t like Carter in anyway.
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