NHL Trade Rumors: Rick Nash's Reported Cost Is Insane
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintIf Larry Brooks' sources are right, then Glen Sather has discussed bringing Rick Nash to the New York Rangers. It's something I speculated about last week, but now the rumor seems to be gaining some serious steam.
Before we go any further, however, let me clarify something. "Preliminary talks" is different than "in talks," they're two different beasts. Preliminary talks -- which is where the Rangers are reportedly with the Blue Jackets about Nash -- means that Sather is simply kicking tires. That's where general managers hash out what the other wants, and tests the water.
And if the rumors can be believed, then Blue Jackets' general manager Scott Howson is either asking for a higher price to be negotiated down, or he is insane. According to Brooks, the Rangers would need to give highly-touted prospect Chris Kreider, Brandon Dubinsky, this year's first round pick and more for the Blue Jackets' sniper.
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You already know my thoughts about trading Kreider. I don't think it makes any sense to move him unless there is a young star coming back, and at 27, Nash does not fit that category. But forget your feelings on Kreider, allegedly Howson wants either Derek Stepanor Ryan McDonagh in edition to the package outlined above.
Uhhh, right.
If that report is true (and again, it's just a report) then this deal is going nowhere fast. Derek Stepan and Ryan McDonagh weren't even on the table when Glen Sather was kicking the tires on Bobby Ryan, so what makes Howson think they would be available now?
Ryan is a different animal than Nash. He's three years younger, has the same offensive skill-set and already has scored at least 31 goals in every year of his career (Ryan has 21 goals so far, and should hit the 30-goal plateau again this season). Personally, I'd rather have Bobby Ryan. I think Sather would agree.
Needless to say, I don't even think I would pay the first half of that proposed deal. I don't mind moving Dubinsky for Nash (although I am a fan of Dubinsky's game) and for a player like Nash a first round pick is expected to be send the other way (don't underestimate a late first round pick though guys, look at what Sather has done in getting serious talent in the second round, he can easily find talent with a late first round pick), but I don't move Kreider for Nash.
I understand the logic behind the theory that Nash is what you hope Kreider becomes, but Kreider is too young and too hyped to be moved for a 27-year-old player. Even if his name is Rick Nash.
If Howson were to drop his asking price significantly things might move in the right direction. As of now, I don't see anything happening.
Thoughts guys?
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let me say this slowly: K R E I D E R I S N O T G O I N G A N Y W H E R E Dubi, he’s another matter. Again, I think Glen thinks Visnosky not Nash at this point. He doesn’t want to gut the team for one player, at east I don’t think so. If he can get Nash cheap then that’s different. This could be salary dump time by the CBJs.
Howson is just posturing with that offer. He knows the Rangers wouldnt give up dubi, kreider, step/mcdonagh, and a 1st for nash. its called the overton window effect. he claims he wants something outrageous like that so when the price drops and he eliminates the step/mcD from the proposal the trade looks better on the rangers side. All GMs do this to some degree. In this case it probably wont work but often times it does.
i thought that was the foot-in-the-door technique?
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
idk.. been awhile since I took Social Psychology.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I see. Either way, I hope Sather doesn’t blow it this deadline.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s more of a political term usually in reference to changing acceptable views over a long period of time (for instance and to keep out of the current political fray, if a bunch of people continually said dogs were the best pet every, dogs dogs dogs, you’re hoping to at least get the cats only folks to say “well we love cats, but dogs are ok too”). Poor analogy, but I’d rather not start a political war.
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by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I got curious and I was wrong to
I had it backwards…
“Foot-in-the-door technique (FITD) is a compliance tactic that involves getting a person to agree to a large request by first setting them up by having that person agree to a modest request”
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, FITD is just to get somebody talking, for instance if Glen really wanted Nash, he’d have to start with Kreider. If Glen called up and said, “well, we’ll start with Wolski” Howson would hang up….at least we’d think.
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It’s obviously a tactic to drive up the price from other teams… When you look to acquiring nash you have to look at the totallity of the circumstances this season…
Lundqvist is having the best year of his career and who knows if he will ever repeat this year, not saying he’s going to be bad…
Richards is 31 and waiting 3 years for Kreider to establish himself makes richards 34
Gaborik has just turned 30 and who knows what he will be like in 3 years…
My point being is… we have the pieces to win it now… right now… and for the next 2-3 years adding a guy with Nash’s scoring ability puts us over the top…
You have to play the hand you have and right now we are on the top of the east and we are looking upward, not outward to 5 years from now… players can change dramatically in 3 years and waiting 2 years to find out if a Prospect, not a proven elite talent, pans out is not the 100% right thing to do… if the trade is of ridiculous nature ie including step or mcd… then we pass and hope kreider joins and fills that void…
another thing is the notion that if we don’t acquire nash… and kreider is available… don’t sign him because the cap in 3 years… right now nobody knows the status of the cap in 3 years so we can’t even fathom the situation… and if we are in a position to win right now… fuck 1 year of his ELC… nobody wants to trade kreider for nash… nobody wants to actually use kreider this year because of his ELC, yet if we don’t score in the playoffs people will bitch… dubinsky has played well in the last 3 games yes… you can’t tell me Nash isn’t a better player than Dubinsky…
@clalicata17
by Clalicata17 on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No one is saying Dubinsky is better than Nash.
Like you said, lets look at the totality of the circumstances.
Time to take names out of this.
Would you trade a ~50 point player, who has a great two-way game and penalty killing ability, AND the teams top prospect, AND a first round pick, AND another roster play who is either a top pair defensemen or a first line center FOR a guy who has broken 70 points once AND is making 7.8 million?
This team is going to get better in the future. You mentioned 3 guys. It is possible that Richie even plays better in years to come, and the dropoff for Hank and Gabby most likely won’t be substantial. Let’s look at the totality of the situation: The rest of the team is young, and will continue to improve. The prospect pipeline is overflowing, so that means not all can play for the big club. BUT, when you move assets, you want to get assets with similar value in return.
You wins cups in the cap era by having players that outperform their contracts, and this is easiest to do with prospects. You don’t win cups by bringing in 65 point players who have broken 70 points ONCE. We need to be patient. The team is in first for a reason. I am fine with making a move, giving up assets for a liability (Nash’s contract) is not the way to go, short term OR long term.
Add Nash, subtract Dubi, subtract Step/McD/Hags, subtract one of AA/Sauer (can’t afford it), subtract Kreider, and subtract a 1st round pick. Even if the trade is Dubi/Kreider/1st it’s not worth it, let alone throwing another player in there.
I wouldn’t trade the proposed amount for ANY player in the league, so yeah, fuck Rich Nash and CBJ if they think he’s worth that much.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I couldnt have said it better myself
Spot on assessment
by InTortsWeTrust on Feb 15, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
obviously you didn’t read my entire post as i am 100% against giving up more than dubi, kreider and a 1st… our first as it stands now is the last pick in the 1st round… not much value… or not as much value as a 15 and down pick… and Kreider for all intensive purposes looks not to hit broadway until late next year or the year after… which puts all of our players 2 years older… and if you want to sign parise now we have a log jam effectively blocking him…
lundqvist game is at the top right now… and with his style, requiring quick side to side movements and playing deep in his net could indicate that a slow down in his body could be detrimental to his play…
gaborik is a player who relies on his legs to be effective in 3 years which is 3 years more of abuse on his body, there is no telling what his legs will be like in 3 years and i’m almost convinced he will be gone after his contract is up…
richards is an anomoly because we aren’t quite sure what will happen with him… will he slow down… most assuredly, but how much and how quickly int he coming years…
when you put this into balance the argument could be made that the window of opportunity with the current roster players is within the next 3 years… not in excess of… Nash is only 27 and although he’s not going to be here for 15 years… what players are nowadays… he’s 100% worth the trade of kreider and dubi… kreider hasn’t scored a single point in the NHL yet, so he’s only a top prospect which is what you have to giv eup to land a guy like nash… and if you sign parise, he’s blocked for atleast 3 years anyway… If the trade is feasible as i said earlier… dubi kreider and 1st is a solid deal…
@clalicata17
I read your post 100%. Like I said below, when you bring in a guy like Nash, in two years when we have all of the RFA’s, one of Step or McD will not be able to be re-signed.
None of our big contracts will be gone by then, so it’s inevitable. 90% of the players on this team will be BETTER in two years, not worse. Sure, when you move Dubi for Nash you get 10-15 more points a year in the short run, but it costs assets and cap flexibility in the short-run.
Remember, Hank is in his 7th year or so in the league. He really is just starting his prime.
This team has a window of opportunity for a while, not just a couple of years. If Nash had a good contract, I’d do that trade, but because his contract is a liability I don’t want to give up anything for it.
There’s no telling what Gabs/Richards/Hank will be like in 3 years, just like there’s no telling what Nash will be like. All those assets and the cap flexibility for one player just isn’t an improvement in my eyes.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don;t want to win a cup
because in 3 years there is a chance the Stepan may leave the team? You guys are hilarious. We would rather keep around a crew of guys to be almost good enough just for the sake of keeping them together and not winning, over possibly winning a cup and losing an RFA in 2 years. Hate to break it to you, but Stanley Cup winners lose players all the time, winning a cup inflates value and teams will overpay stanley cup winners in free agency. So yeah, if Stepan leaving for more money in 2 years is what I have to give up for a cup now, then bet. According to this whole site, we have at least 15 prospects better then Stepan anyway.
Well according to you bringing in Nash guarantees us a cup.
So yeah, that’s hilarious.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, but bringing in Nash
is at least trying to win a cup, not just standing pat on our system of prospects that could bring in an impact player. This teams chances of a cup are exponentially better with Nash then without him.
They are better, absolutely, but at what cost.
There are better options out there. You can look on that same CBJ team and find 3-4 better options. The teams in first and dominating the east for a reason.
If you are going to make a move, fine, but make sure it’s a good one.
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First off..
Moshe you are the best haha..second, sometimes standing pat is the best option. we. are. in. first. place. for. a. reason. We didn’t just magically get here, and Nash is grossly, GROSSLY overrated. He has potential, but he is a 27 year old 65 pt score with a 90+ pt scorers’ contract. His salary alone takes away 2 or 3 guys who will need raises, and Dubinsky, off year or not, is 15 pts shy of Nash, but I would honestly take Dubi over him even if the trade just switching them. You can either have Nash, who does not play defense and we have no idea how he would fit on this team, or have Dubi, whose career average is much higher than this year (and we’re slowly starting to see the old Dubi) but also has intangibles like sticking up for teammates, great pk guy, any situation type of player, etc + he’s younger. I’d STILL want Dubi > Nash. Call me crazy, stupid, whatever, I know I am right.
+1
Just like Gomez and Drury guaranteed a cup
by teknics on Feb 15, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sorry can’t hear you over my law degree
@clalicata17
by Clalicata17 on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That makes the mistake worse, not better.
by teknics on Feb 15, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we get it, like, for example
people who correct small, meaningless errors, while ignoring the main content of the post, in a forum where sports are discussed, of all places, are, for all intents and purposes, douche bags.
Yay for Internet tough guys with no sense of humor and short tempers
by teknics on Feb 15, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
it’s called an ad hominahomina attack, from the Honeymooners
Let me know how that works out for you . . .
by SimpleManiac on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
this
Seriously, fuck Rick nash, fuck Columbus. Nash for half ur team and part, big part mind you, of your future is lunacy. I would have told him I fuck off straight away. That deal will never get done. I’ll take a few peices over nash anyday, plus, he’s just passing his prime.. all of the players involved on the rangers behalf are players yet to reach their prime. Were in first comfortably, don’t trade anyone.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
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couldn't of said it better myself
maybe all this hype for Nash is a screen by Mr Cigar?
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Were in first comfortably, don’t trade anyone.
If you aren’t getting better, then you are getting worse. Standing pat, I don’t see this team winning a cup. Just my opinion.
I think at this point they have as good a chance as anyone. Every team has a flaw somewhere.
Rangers are 11-2-0 against the top 4 in each conference so far this year. (9-1 against East, 2-1 against West). That’s including PIT and NSH, not FLA and SJS, though only the extra win vs FLA would matter anyway.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, they have as good a chance as anyone,
so shouldn’t they be looking to improve the team instead of just hey, we have as good a chance as anybody, let’s just see what happens. Rick Nash has ability to take the puck end to end and score a goal on his own and change the game in an instant. I don’t think we really have another guy like that.
No one is saying not to improve the team. People are saying that this trade doesn’t improve them team. That’s all there is to it.
Rick Nash also has the ability to have a 26-30-56 season and get paid 7.8 million to do it. Sound familiar to an ex-Ranger?
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i dont know why ppl dont understand this
We are not afraid to trade players, ill listen to any trade for almost any player on the roster and in the farm, but this trade proposal maddening and will leave us with bigger problems then we currently have. I’m all for going or the cup and you can take nearly anyone in the system, but uve got to be kidding me when u want so much value for one fucking guy. Those assest took time to acquire, I’m not into getting ripped of when our stock is as high as it will ever be. Make a trade, don’t fuck with the ENTIRE team for on guy.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're twisting my words.
I said nothing about improving the team or not. Your argument was “I don’t see this team winning a cup.” That’s all I’m countering. At team that is 11-2 against the other 7 top teams has to at least be considered a team capable of winning said cup as constructed. However, I’ll engage the other part anyway.
Sure, they can increase their chances (in theory) via trade, but depending on the cost in NHL players given up, there’s no guarantee a guy like Nash (or whomever) actually improves their chances. It’s not as simple as “Nash is better than anything we have,” so we’re better.
I mean, say the cost is Dubinsky, Stepan, and Del Zotto and Sather pulls the trigger.. Does Nash + replacement forward + replacement D in the lineup make us better? I have no clue, but there’s at least some chance it does not.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets see how they do against The Hwsk this week then the Wings in a few weeks and see where we are. IMO the East is Extremely weak this year and outside Boston and us all have Major flaws. The team that wins the west will come with with the thunder.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
what makes you think Nash automatically makes the Rangers better?
on paper sure
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hes better than the players we are trading. Hes certainly better offensively. Its logical to think the Rangers would be better with him.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Is he better than the combined value of players we’re trading, from a cap hit-to-performance ratio? In the salary cap era, that’s EVERYTHING. Yes, Duby’s been slumping this year, but as of right now, he’s still a 40-45 point elite defensive forward/play-maker. Kreider, while still a prospect, is our #1 prospect and is the answer to the current hole in the top-2 LW position. WILL be a Ranger next season on an entry-level contract. First round picks are just that, but given that it would most likely be a late pick, doesn’t hold as much value, as, say, a middle-of-the-pack first round pick.
In short, Despite Duby’s slumping, the value is not there to acquire Nash. the cap hit-to-performance ratio of Nash does not balance out the assets we’d lose (and reportedly is more than Duby/Kreider/1st, which I still wouldn’t give up), and would only create more headache as time passes (worries about signing future RFAs, etc.).
You have to overpay for goals. its always been that way unless its an expiring deal. Also Kreider and or picks are unknown commodities. Nash is a proven scorer. The guy was one of the best players for team Canada for crying out loud so lets not sell him short. Hes been in hockey purgatory for 7 years.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of good players have played on shit teams. There numbers DON’T go up on better teams.
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Doesn't matter
His contract literally KILLS our team in the years ahead.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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This team is going to get better in the future. You mentioned 3 guys. It is possible that Richie even plays better in years to come, and the dropoff for Hank and Gabby most likely won’t be substantial.
As much as I hope you are right, this is based on nothing but hopes and dreams. Did you forget how bad Gaborik sucked last year? Did you forget how quick Mike Richter and Pavel Bure’s injuries derailed careers? We have been building for this moment for almost a decade, let’s not let it pass us by because we’re scared.
Yeah and let’s not throw it all away out of desperation.
It’s not based off of hopes and dreams. It’s based off of career production in terms of age and development.
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Throwing what away?
How is trading a couple of prospects for a borderline elite player throwing everything away in desperation? This is what contenders do.
Because its throwing away Dubinsky, our best prospect, and first round pick, and maybe more for a 65 point player.
I don’t mind making moves, but I rather get a good return on my assets.
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they also want one of step or mcd
If we trade it needs to go both ways. There is no way nash alone can play the two way game dubi provides, our next top prospect in the draft, top pairing minutes, and the future face of the organization. It is not equal, it is insulting that cbj even came to the Damn table with that offer. Get real, were not mortgaging our current team and future for one man, regardless of who it is. Nash may very well be what we need but when u trade all of what they want, ull find u have many more needs to be filled, albeit they may be slightly smaller, but it creates not only missing peices but cap issues down the road.. no way. So glad half of these knuckleheads will never have to make this kind of decision.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
everybody is scared of trading the prospects. I think that some people are under the impression that the new CBA is going to allow 30 players per roster. This isn’t last year, or any other of the last 7 years. We are in first place, we are flying high, and people are afraid to go for it all. A good number of our fans are scared to win. If we try to win, and we don’t, we fail. If we keep all the prospects and stand pat then we can say “hey, building for the future, it’s ok, we’ll win in 5 years when Kreider is in his athletic prime.” I don’t get it. The reason we stood pat for the last 5 years was so that today we have the pieces to bring back an elite level talent to try to win a cup, you know, what the good teams do every year at the deadline, improve their teams.
no one us saying to not trade prospects(except Kreider) for a good return…just not Nash because his contract will deffinitly hurt us going foward..I’d be okay trading some prospects for Carter because with his contract we can still sign stepan and mcd when they need raises
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It’s okay to trade prospects, but not when you are absolutely getting ripped off in every way.
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According to readers here
any trade where we give up more then Wolski and don’t get back Bobby Ryan is a rip off.
you are clearly exaggerating
Nash is very far from our best option. give up on this already.
he is the face of a franchise, to get that you overpay, we are not in a situation where we need him and need to overpay for production that can be had from a combination of other players we have or can get without crippling our cap system and mortgaging our future.
i dont care about nash
its the same exact thing, whether its parise, carter, ryan, nash, nobody wants anybody, nobody is better then kreider, nobody wants to trade anything but ww and mcilrath. I can give a fuck about Nash, but people just straight up dont want to improve this team at the expense of prospects who literally can’t possibly all play for the rangers.
+1
Well said.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
There are some fans who believe that, and I disagree with them.
I’m fine with making moves, but my problem is that these proposed trades for Nash don’t make us a better team, now or later.
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Exactly, make the RIGHT trade. We are not in a position to be forced to make a shitty trade. That is for teams struggling to make the playoffs, or ones who have an impending RFA/UFA that isn’t resigning.
The Nash trade is not the right one. We do not need to gut our team or our prospect pool for his level of skill and cap hit.
I understand some are opposed because they are afraid
and I feel bad for them. But I personally am DONE watching us make trades for washed up players who don’t do half of what is expected at twice the cost. If any of these players were A. instrumental to our success going forward, B. would fit our system (for the record, Parise and Ryan would be great fits) or C. the contract they would have or need to be signed to would not allow not even just prospects were gambling on but solid pieces of the core of this team to be re-signed. No thank you, not when we have been following the homegrown rule and pieced together a couple outside resources.
I mean, because, you know, I didn’t earlier advocate to trade Mcilrath, Valentenko, Wolski, MZA, and a pick for Carter or anything.
Yeah, nice exaggerations.
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I mean yeah,
because i read all of your personal posts before i make general statements about the readers of this site in general.
Considering that you’ve personally responded to my comments about 10 times in this thread already, and considering most regular members of the site are okay with trading prospects for a fair return,
yeah.. maybe you should..
yeah.. maybe you should..regardless, these trades for Nash are terrible
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ive personally responded to lots of other people also,
im sorry, this isn;t crossfire, i dont do background checks on you guys. I read the comments and get the vibe of the room, and it almost always seems to be, "no way!!!! That trade blowz!! Giving up Kreider what?!?!?!? No effffin way Wollski and Mcilrath for Bobby Ryan and Getlf do it Satherzzz!!!
I agree with you to an extent. Some people are way to hesitant to make a move, and others are way to willing.
I think we can agree that if a move can be made that puts the team in a better spot you do it. But I just don’t see this trade as making us better.
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I don;t want you to feel like i am personally attacking you, I gnerally am a fan of your posts,
I’m not saying this is a trade that has to happen, but the general tone of the room is to stand pat. I have been in that stand pat party for years, but I think this is the first year where it makes sense to go for it. It is just frustrating, I saw the same thing with Knick fans last year. Some will still tell you Gallinari is better then Melo. Playoffs, stars carry the team, imo.
Yupp and look how that worked out
they needed a random guy to magically come off the bench to save the season….great analogy
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly.
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It’s not so much that trading for the Superstar was the problem, the Knicks just picked the wrong superstar; one who’s only similarity with the coach’s system is a complete negligence of defense.
On the other hand, bring in a PG like Chris Paul and then slap Chanlder on top of the whole mess and you get a top 3 team at least.
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by Scratch and Snif on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
True.
Sticking with the Knicks. Yes, Melo is better than Gallo. But are Melo and Billups better than Gallo, Chandler, Felton, Mozgov, and 1st? No.
Hence the Knicks struggling. Now that Jeremy Lin is there, everything is okay though.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you on your phone? Sometimes your posts…it’s like stuttering.
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WE AREN'T SCARED OF TRADING PROSPECTS
It just doesn’t make sense to trade Dubinsky, Kreider, Step/McD, and a 1st for Rick fuckin Nash! That makes us a worse team. That makes our team defense (which is our strength) a shit ton worse. That makes this team suck more in 2-3 years. That makes this team lose players that they HAVE to re-sign, but can’t because of one of the worst contracts in the NHL.
Dubinsky, Step/McD, Kreider, 1st round pick>>>>Nash
It’s not even questionable.
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by Tripodi on Feb 16, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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NO WAY
Love Nash, would like to get him but thats nuts no way a team in our position does something that dumb.
im late on this joke.. can you explain it to me please?
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the end of the game thread from last night. Very funny stuff.
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yeah lmao
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Nash Please
Getting Rick Nash would put the rangers in great shape for this year and atleast 3 to 4 more years after that. WHy wait to see what a prospect can do- The rangers have done that before. Hugh Jessimen and im sure we know alot more. I’d do the deal with Dubinsky, Krieder, 1st rnd pick…. Try to gert rid of Wolski contract as well..
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Let’s see what prospects can do.. hmm…. Cally, Dubi, AA, Step, McD, Sauer, Girardi, Staal, Hank… man I think those guys are valuable, do you?
In 3-4 years we’ll have 4 guys, all on the wrong side of 30, making ~30 million combined. Rich Nash has NEVER and WILL NEVER be worth the amount of money he makes. So aside from taking on the abysmal contract, you want to give up a 56 point scorer, a 1st round pick, and our top prospect. FOR WHAT? A 65 POINT SCORER???
Fun.
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you fail to see his skill is the problem… his skill alone and singular talent make him a 65 point player on a shitty team… which begs the question given the right team what could he do… when put on team canada in the olympic the guy showed just what kind of elite talent he was…
@clalicata17
And you fail to see how that old story about not producing because he’s on a bad team holds no water.
Look what Gaborik did on Minny, look what Kovalchuk did on ATL, look what Tavares is doing on the island, fuck look at what Prospal is doing in Columbus.
Obviously it’s not that difficult to produce on a shitty team. If anything, he’ll get less minutes here and take less shots.
You’re also failing to see how signing him will result in losing some of our RFAs in 3 years, as well as losing Dubinsky, Kreider, and pick.
55 point scorer, top prospect, top pick, and McD or Step for Nash. That’s what it ends up being.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
um… i don’t get what you are saying… he did produce on a shitty team… dubinsky was a 55 point player… he’s making 4.2 mil with 25 points… obviously 55 points… losing that 4.2 mil makes a huge difference too…
stop with mcd and step honestly… i never said id do a trade that involved that…
@clalicata17
Gabby and Kovalchuck are getting similar production on good teams as they were on a shitty team. Prospal was sent the other way and same numbers.
keep in mind
the return the atlanta whatevers got for kovalchuk was not overwhelming, the big difference was the impending free agency-hood-ness
however, in this case, the salary has to be a consideration and to me should bring the asking price down
“hey, howson, you signed this 65 point guy to a 7.8 mil contract, not me. fuck you if you want kreider, stepan, mcdonagh, my next six first round picks and my virgin ass in return. he’s not worth it. go peddle your wares elsewhere. wait, tell ya what, i’ll give you christian thomas and a second round pick for carter. deal?”
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lmao yes!
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I know you never said you would do that trade. I’m saying bringing in Nash makes it so we can’t re-sign both of them. That’s why I’m so against the trade. The Contract.
What I’m saying is that when superstar players go from bad teams to better teams, they still put up the same numbers. So let’s assume, which I think is fair enough, that he puts up the same numbers.
That’s a 30-35-65 player, making 7.8 million. That’s underperforming his contract, and ignoring that we would have to give up even more assets than necessary to get him because he’s the “face of the franchise”
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lets assume,
for the sake of argument, that every single thing plays out how i expect it too, lol.
because that’s a logical way we should decide the future of the team
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what, assuming everything will happen
how we want it too? Yup. Logical. Mmmhmm. Riiiiight.
I have no idea what your talking about
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
dude why are you trolling this thread
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, your right, let’s just do random shit and hope it plans out.
Yeah, fuck looking at historical statistics and comparable situations..
Look, not everything will turn out the way either of us expect it. If we are going to make trades, than fine. But don’t trade a 50 point player, a top prospect, a top pick, and cap flexibility for a 65 point player with an abysmal contract? Is that fair?
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You seem fixated on point totals. Nash has scored a bunch of goals, he’s not that far behind Gabby. He just lacks assists, which probably comes from the horrid teams he was on.
I don’t think we should trade for him, but I think you shortchange Nash a bit. He’s a top scorer in this league and goal scorers get rewarded.
it isnt soley based on pnt totals
That is the Damn point were trying to make. He may add 10 extra pnt we don’t have at the moment, but his contract alone leaves us handicaped in the future. We may seem like were in love with prospects and young roster players but they make running a winning team possible. You need a steady stream of young talent to keep the cap reasonable and if you do end up having a surplus of prospects, guess what, you have trade chips and assets to make ur team better now or possibly gain another top prospect/pick for the FUTURE. Again were not against a trade, just this specific trade.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 15, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if its a matter of winning the cup, we sure could use that extra 10 points. i think people are assuming we will be in this situation again in the future. do you realize what an epic year we are having? we may not see another season like this for half a century. its been known to happen.
that said, we need to be very wary about changing the chemistry…it really is more than just point totals. would this really be the same new york rangers without Dubi? I’m not even considering dz or mcd because there is no way we are going to the cup without those two being healthy and on their best game. Nash doesn’t make up for that chink in our defensive armor and two way threat. But when Nash is on, which is surprisingly often, he can control the ice and the set the pace of a game. having watched him, i do think he is an elite player.
But..
What says we can’t repeat this year (at least to some degree) If you THINK about it, our younger players are only getting better, for what it’s worth, Richards and Gabby are not exactly at career averages, and we have young talent that will fill in the holes of this year. Where does that make Rick Nash and his extra ten points worth giving up Dubi Erixon/Kreider, and 17 of our next 1st rd picks??
I understand what all of you are saying but the contract makes Rick Nash the WORST possible person you could go after!
the advocates for the trade
Are only seeing the pnt totals and a goal scorer being dangled infront of them and drooling. Close ur mouths and look whats walking away, yes that’s ur future and nash is bringing a bunch of bags that won’t fit in his studio apartment in a few yrs. It’s just going to be too crowded at the top and that’s the exact problem were trying to avoid. Torts loves the kids, and for good reason. Look a little deeper than goal totals, its not a practical situation for any organization.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually I dont think your trading that mcuh if you can avoid putting Stepan or McDonoagh in it. Ift you can trade Dubi, Kreider and 1 st and maybe Wolski for salaray relief then what are you giving up? A 20 goal scorer who is redundant on the team plus 2 unporven commodities. Its worth it if you think it gives you an excellent shot to win right now. I dont see the problem but look it doesnt matter we can debate this ad nauseum it probably wont happen anyway. Some people are inherently conservative based on the past, I get it but Im mnore aggresive. I prefer to go for it rather than sit back and hope it falls in my lap.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
It’s less about what we are giving up and more about what it does to us in the future.
You make that trade, and in 2 years you have to let one of Step/McD go because there’s no money to re-sign them.
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He will get more assists and more secondary assists that is for sure but he will not score 50 goals all of a sudden. Are 10 more secondary assists worth 7.8m?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Unless we can pick and choose that they’re assists on 10 OT winners, probably not.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Then again Richards has seemed to pick and choose when he’ll actually score a goal this year so maybe it’s a repeatable skill.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Neil Greenberg’s been tweeting stuff all day about Nash, but my favorite is this:
Here’s the list of players post lockout, that have put up 30G/70P every year from age 28 to 33:
The overall list in NHL history – only two players, Marcel Dionne and Phil Esposito, have accomplished it. Only 21 players have even done it 4 of the 6 years.
The argument that Nash becomes some kind of offensive machine on a better team is basically saying he’ll have unprecedented success for his age.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
And that was a different time in the NHL, none of those are recent and your talking about 2 of the best players in the game. I think Nash would do well here but if this is really what they are asking for then its so not worth it.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it was a time when teams scoring 300 goals were middle of the pack. When goalies GAA were all above 3.00.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Right, all the more reason why it’s nearly impossible for Nash to live up to his cap hit long term.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just like baseball It’s damn near impossible for players to live up to the mega deals over the long run.
The age/productivity curves don’t align well with time of service dates it takes to become a UFA.
The UFA deals are more about paying a player for what they’ve done and run into the land of diminishing returns very quickly.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
So then you should ne unhappy with Richards making 12 million becuase based on his production and age he CERTAINLY isnt worth it
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Salary doesn’t mean anything. It’s the cap hit that matters.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah, but to be honest, I never expected him to be long term, but I hoped to get at least 1 year of value
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Granted I think we all expected a bit more in regards to points but he has come through in key times and we cant overlook the effect he has had on depth and taking pressure off other lines.
I honestly believe that come playoff time he will turn it on. This guy has not been in the playoffs in 4 years and has been a ppg player in the playoffs.
Do you remember back last year when Feds all of a sudden became a beast? Guys like that have another gear come playoff time.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
I get that but it doesnt scare me as it does you. There are things that can be done alleviate cap and there will be other remedies available to the Rangers.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
First off a guy like Nash could always be traded especially as a few years go buy. hes got tons of skill that teams will always want. 2nd of all there will most definitely be another round of amnesty in the new CBA you can bank on it so you could shed Nash or Richards easy. The owners are talking about even holding out so that one contract per team does NOT count towards the cap. Further to that there is always getting Wade Reddened. Its not appealing but its there. Further to that Glenn traded Gomez for an all star young defensemen so never underestimate the stupidity or desperation of other gms. There WILL be remedies available so i am not as scared of the cap number as others.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming Nash’s NMC goes with him after a trade, trading him will be near impossible especially if he’s in decline.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Impossible to tell A if he wont waive it agin or B if he declines badly. what if he imporves??
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Can you look at your argument please? He has a NMC, why would we give up PROVEN commodities for a guy only to trade him in a couple years when he doesn’t put up the 120 pts everyone is expecting. I would probably agree with you if we were a bubble team looking for offense but the way our defense is set up we are fine without needing more offense. We are in 1st and we’ve been playing playoff style defense and hockey all fucking year, why shake it up now?
(All respect to you Diesel, I’m just fed up with the Nash talks in general)
Certainly there are, but it will mean even more unpopular decisions down the line. Part of the Rangers strength right now is depth, which also allows the prospects to incubate a bit, whether in college or the AHL.
Nash will likely compromise that depth, and make the Rangers more reliant on their prospects to provide immediate value on their ELCs. He really just has too big a cap hit for what he’s giving you. We already saw how ‘appreciated’ Drury was for making $7m and putting up 22/25 goals and 56/58 pts in his 30s. There’s a serious risk of Nash doing the same, though of course without the 34 and 5 pt seasons behind it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think we are sort of arguing the same points actually but I dont agree that Nash will be similar to Drury. Nash has been a top level offensive talent and Dr never was. He had some good years but they are not in the same category so I disagree with that. I understand the argument for not trading for him I really do but I prefer to try and go get a guy IF the organization feels he can be a big or final piece to winning a cup with the team we have today. I dont think our chances of winning will be better than they are now, especially if we add scoring depth.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
With the caveat that I 500% agree that Nash >> Drury, leading up to signing his deal (age 31), Drury was averaging 0.74ppg, Nash averages 0.81. Obviously better, but Drury was repeatedly putting up 60-65 points too. The separation isn’t as big as one would think, just based on reputations.
I agree we could use another scorer, I really do. It just shouldn’t be Nash.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Nash has definitely been better than Drury in their peak years and yes I could see him being more productive as he ages, but this isn’t necessarily about Nash being better Drury. It’s about Nash producing at a rate that befits his cap hit, which even in his peak years it’s debateable whether he’s provided enough to justify a $7.8M.
As per the list that George posted yesterday, the chances of Nash consistently repeating even a good year for him (30+ G, 70 pts) as he ages are extremely slim.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Im agreeing with you based on the COST of the Rangers to get them. IMO there are tons of ways caps can get manipulated so Im not as gung ho against it solely based on cap like you guys are but the package that Columbus wants is way too much. His contract HAS to be part of the equation meaning we shouldnt give up MORE to get him we should give up less, taking that deal back should be a major piece. So if this proposal is legit then I would rather have Ray Whitney as a plan B type guy as a rental.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
You can only hide so many contracts per year.
First, Nash and Richards have NMCs. You can’t bury them in Hartford without their consent. Same situation as Drury when it was painfully obvious he was a shell of his former self.
You have to factor in the veteran limit in the AHL, only so many experienced players can be in the lineup per game.
There’s a limit to how many players a team can have under contract at all levels, if you’re a baseball fan it’s like the 40 man roster rule.
These large contracts count against the cap during the summer. Redden currently eats up the 10% overage limit teams can have during the offseason.
There are some pretty big loopholes in the CBA, but there’s also enough constraints that a team can’t infinitely sign and bury players when they don’t pan out.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s also going to get nipped a bit in the new CBA. They want to give teams the option to amnesty out a contract or two, but I don’t think the burying of bad contracts is going to fly any more. And I can’t say I disagree, even for how much we’ve benefited from it. The owners/GMs make their beds with a bad contract, they should have to sleep in it.
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I also think the Rangers need to make a move. Not just for the sake of making a move but because I think our scoring isnt consistent enough especially on the power play to win the Cup. I would imagine management feels the same way becuase if they didnt then we wouldnt be talking about Nash rumours. I think getting someone of Nash’s Ilk/quality brings us much closer to a cup this year.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Richards was brought in to fix the PP. It hasn’t worked. We need to understand that bringing in another player will NOT fix the PP, unless that guy is Lidstrom or Weber.
It’s the system that doesn’t work, not the players. The last 3 games we have seen a new system in place and our powerplay has been dominant.
Hopefully that keeps up.
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I would agree those guys are all valuable,
but none of the forwards are better then Rick Nash. Yes, he makes a lot of money, that is what happens when you are really, really, good. If Kreider becomes as good as Nash, he is going to be making just as much money, so what the hell? Rick Nash is elite now, Kreider may or may be not elite in a handful of years. The Rangers are in prime contention for a cup right now! Dubi, Kreider, and a first and count me in. It’s not like we are emptying the prospect cupboard here, there is still loads of talent.
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don’t think a lot of these guys have actually seen Nash play very much Max. If they had, they may be a little more flexible. Sometimes I was Bluejacket games just to see him play. Nash is a tough guy. He has some years of production left in him yet. He’s having a bad year, but he’s no Gomez or Drury. Whole different ballpark.
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I’ve seen Nash play a boat load. He’s one of my favorite players, but his production doesn’t match his contract.
And look what George said above. Look how similar his numbers are to Drury. A decline is certainly possible.
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If Sather pays Kreider $7.8m to be a 30/65 guy, I’ll be just as angry at that deal as I would be about adding Nash’s to our payroll.
Nash is not elite. Crosby is elite. Datsyuk is elite. Nash is an all-star and an excellent player, but he is not elite.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He wasn’t an allstar this year lol
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Heh. True.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
There ya go.
7.8 million for that production is absurd.
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I don’t know if I would go as far as say Nash is elite—he’s a star, but he’s not a superstar, despite getting paid like one. In the Salary Cap era, it’s all about the price-to-production ratio. If Nash is good for 65 points, does he bring enough qualities other than putting the puck in the net to warrant him getting paid like a superstar franchise player that can score 80 points AND bring intangibles? I don’t think so.
That’s the issue here.
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I honestly dont see how nash wont be in LA if he agrees to go there. The Kings are desperate for a top line winger and have a goalie for the future that CBJ is looking for in Bernier. LA just needs to throw in a top prospect (voynov or loktionov) and maybe a pick and boom, deal done
Seems like a perfect match.
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I don’t want to give another team our riches anymore. I know Rick Nash might move for the right team and remove his no trade clause, but I want Kreider in a Blueshirt. I would hate it if Sather made that trade.
The boys are playing well, they are gelling, I think right now leave the boys alone.
by NYR #35 Richter on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions
i’d prefer to win a stanley cup… just sayin Nash makes us legitimate contenders… if kreider turns into lastings milledge from the mets… boy oh boy…
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I’m pretty sure the best team in the league is already a legitimate contender. I rather have a team that competes for years to come. (Detroit versus Anaheim)
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What about Nash’s projected season of 26 goals screams “final piece of the puzzle”?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that his name is Rick Nash?
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the team is 17 and 34… has had injuries galore and apparently his pedigree is not enough for him to get a pass on one season… probably one of the same who called for gaborik to be traded last season…
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gaborik to be traded last season…
Couldn’t be more wrong, I was and am one of Gaborik’s biggest supporters. But sometimes guys do have a slump that lasts an entire season. I know he’s not a rental, but I don’t know if this season’s Nash puts the Rangers over the top. I think this current team has earned the right to take one run in the playoffs before major pieces are changed.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately a lot of people called for that. Many of those people wanted to trade Dubi and AA when they were slumping too.
As a fanbase as a whole I think we need more patience.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, well I have a long record of defending him last year. Me and that guy MyNameIsJohnnyMotto, or something like that. He was an even bigger fan that I was.
But just like Gaborik last year, Nash is mired in a pretty big slump this year. Sometimes that lasts the entire year. So I don’t view him as being the missing piece for this year.
And beyond this year, I see some red flags for Nash’s future production. I already don’t think his career on average merits his cap hit and I have a feeling that he’s not gonna get much better than a “typical Nash year”. Maybe the sun-moon-star align next year and he pops 40+, but that’s a pretty big gamble. I have feeling the best case scenario is that he reverts back to a mid to low 30s guy and doesn’t further decline and put up a year like this one.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember. I didn’t advocate trading him, but similar to my position today, I was okay with it for the right return.
I agree on everything you said.
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There is Zero guarantee kreider will be elite and Nash already IS elite. Havent you heard of lamie Lundmark, Pavel Brendl or Hugh Jessiman. In FACT its less likely Kreider will ever come close to Nashs production.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Like I mentioned down below,
there a few indicators that help show where he will be at; 6’3, 225 lbs, and would easily be the fastest skater on the team..and he is 20 right now. Add above average to excellent hands, and I think you can at least INFER where (with the right pace, right coaching, right experience and exposure to the NHL, etc) he should be. I think people who don’t want to pull the trigger have every right not to; I agree with your post in that he is not proven by any means and you have every right to be skeptical, but I think he is very untouchable at this point. Disagree if you’d like but the head honchos for the Rangers certainly do not.
I think he will be be godd but NOT considering dealing an unproven guy for a proven guy is insanity even if you never pull the trigger. Kreider may not be ready to contriobute for 2 years by which time the team could be very different and you could have blown your chance to win now especially with a work stoppage a very real possibility again and a season lost.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
You need to look at all aspects of the trade.
Follow me here for a second. Would you trade a ~50 point player who plays a great defensive game, a 1st round draft pick, an extremely promising prospect, cap flexibility, and potentially more for a ~65 point player who makes $7.8 million?
That’s my question to you.
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I wish everyone could start off reading this post before thw 7,000 comments before and after..sums up the entire scenario and if people STILL want to take a chance on that contract I do not know what to say..
by Kevin Papa on Feb 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
65 point player are elite to you?
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Enough of Nash. Look, nobody with any knowledge of the cap situation and looming CBA issues wants him.
We don’t want him for FREE. Period. Discussion done.
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by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
i have a good knowledge of the cap situation and i want rick nash… guys a bonafide goal scorer… if he can score 30 with no team he can score upwards of 40 being 2nd fiddle to marian gaborik
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Again, people think he’ll come here, rock 40 goals+ with Richards feeding him the puck every game. Setting up for some disappointment.
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regardless you wouldn’t take a 30 goal scorer? Consistent 30 Goal Scorer, proven elite power forward talent…
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For almost 8 mil a year. And power-forward…he’s not a banger. Big doesn’t automatically make you a power-forward type. More like Boyle in terms of his body-type (obviously much better skater/hands/vision).
It means losing at least 1 roster player and a true top-edge prospect, and cutting loose an RFA at some point down the road.
Nobody is saying he’s a bad player. Not one. It’s that contract we all hate.
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27 with 6 years left… so he’s 33… my argument is people want to sign parise in the offseason… so he’s going to get 7 years in the neighborhood of 7 mil… whats the trade off?
Nash is one of the best 1 on 1 players in the league… he consistently takes on 2 defenders… he in the past has had no team period and still manages to pot 30 goals… we have 2 and 1/3 lines of “bangers” we don’t expect gabby to hit… his big body is used in driving the net and protecting the puck can the guy hit… yea but whats his job to rack up 200 hits a year or to score you 30… and much better than boyle? he’s light years ahead of boyle in skating hands and vision… the guy is magical with the puck…
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I don’t recall boyle ever doing this… even though it’s an allstar game… his hands are downright magic…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NVA1aal8iw&feature=fvst
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/Sigh
Lost argument. Not comparing Boyle’s and Nash’s skill.
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regardless look at how he uses his body well to protect the puck while driving the net… just cause he doesn’t hit… doesn’t mean he’s not a powerforward…
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Wolski has nice highlights too. Check em out.
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My point is that you posted a highlight. Everyone has nice highlights.
Unless he starts doing that twice a game every game, he’s not worth this trade or his contract.
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No. I’m arguing that he’s not worth his contract, let alone what we have to give up to get him.
Stop looking at names, and look at results. You don’t trade a 55 point guy, a top pick, and top prospect, and cap flexibility for a 65 point guy.
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Trust me, Dubi can’t produce those sorts of highlights. Did you go to the 3:15 mark? If Nash joins our team he immediately becomes our number one forward. he and gabby would be sick.
Soooo
you want to possibly ruin the future of the rangers bassed on a highlight at “3:15” and say dubi can’t possibly do that….because dubi is the only one who would be traded right?
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 1:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
well, its not that simple, no. i was responding to the previous comment so lets put it in context. i really don’t know if we should trade for Nash. I don’t want to be stuck in a 15 year 8 million dollar hockey contract with any player. but people are comparing the relative worth of dubi and nash. i love them both, but that’s like comparing dubi to gabby or richards. selling the shop to have nash here is a whole different story.
But everything is comparative to the cap hit. Nash is miles better than Dubi, but Nash is not worth his contract, even in his best year.
History shows that great players on bad teams do not have improved numbers when they join better teams. In fact, most of the time it goes down do to less ice time and shots taken.
There’s a better chance of Nash’s productivity decreasing than increasing, and how happy are we going to be when he’s 31, making 7.8 million, and putting up 58 points?
I’m not too sure, let’s ask Chris.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My main concern and you said it is..
Everyone hits on this team. Even Gabby. this is a forecheck system. He doesnt fit in my opinion
by InTortsWeTrust on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Parise is also FREE next year. He doesn’t cost us anything. Nash costs us at least 1 roster player, our top or at least 1b prospect, 1st-round pick (admittedly it’s low), and quite possibly more. Plus, the money makes it more prohibitive to sign one of the RFAs down the road, or at least add depth.
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parise also costs us a roster spot for 7 years… so in turn it makes another prospect or player expendable… it’s all relative
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Yes, a prospect that you can move for other assets.
Would you rather have:
Parise, Dubinsky, Kreider, McD/Step, a 1st OR Nash.
Hmm…
Or.. keep it simple.
Or.. keep it simple.Would you rather have:
Or.. keep it simple.Would you rather have:Dubinsky, Kreider, McD/Step, a 1st and cap flexibility, OR Nash?
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i never said to get rid of mcd/step… unless you have the all seeing eye infront of you that tells yout he cap is going down what conclusions have you come to about cap flexibility… who’s to say kreider becomes an elite talent… who says dubinsky completely falls off the earth offensively and becomes a marginal 3rd line player…
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Who says Nash can come here and score 40+ goals and score 80+ points (only way his contract is worth it).
2 can play that game.
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Exactly. Nash could potentially come here and score 25 a year, put up 55-60 points, have the same numbers as Dubinsky, but get paid twice as much.
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nash has scored 30 goals every year but once in his career… your logic is backwards assuming he’d be worse on a better team when he was a consistent on a bad team… you can make the argument absent logic… in that case i want to trade for jody shelly… cause he can score 30 goals… i feel it in my gut…
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You think he’s going to come here and score 40..
Most elite players (Gaborik/Kovalchuk) do their thing on bad teams, and when they come to good teams their numbers stay the same. They get to play with better players, but get less ice time and individual chances.
Every example points towards similar production.
The production Nash brings is not worth his contract, let alone what we would have to give up to get him.
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Oh yeah, and Nash is on pace for what, 26 goals?
You can’t discredit a bad year for Nash but count a bad year for Dubi against him.
Dubi = 50 point player.
Nash = 65 point player.
Now you want to throw in top prospects, picks, and cap flexibility….
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dubi’s bad year has been a factor of multiple things… one the health of the team… last year dubi was playing top line minutes with gaborik hurt and cally hurt… second he was the benefactor of a lot of empty net goal last season… and finally his role with this team is that of a 3rd line player… and really there is no argument at this point he should be higher up… which means he’s being over payed for the body of work he’s doing 4.2 mil…
dubi is one of my favorite players on the rangers he bring heart and a winning attitude…
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good, so now we both understand what being overpaid is.
A similar argument applies. If Nash comes here he gets minutes, and takes less shots. Or if he takes the same amount of shots, guys like Cally and Richards wont get as many.
And do you know how many empty netters Nash scored last year? Because he was probably on the ice for everyone of them, which he wont be on our team.
Every historical reference points to star players maintaining the same level of production when they get moved to better teams.
I personally don’t think a 30-35-65 player is worth 7.8 million, especially when you have to trade a 20-25-55 player, a first round pick, and the clubs top prospect. If you do, that’s fine.
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kreider is a prospect… a prospect who has score count em 0 nhl points… yes he projects to be good… nash is a known commodity… and the known is greater than the unknown… classifying dubinsky as a 20-25 player is about right and thats 45 points… which is 20 less than nash as is… which means he’d be responsible for 20 more goals being scored… just saying… 55 points is a jump for dubisnky… he’s generally a 40 point player… and less than that as currently standing as a 3rd line forward therefore over paid
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When players start their career EVERYONE has zero NHL points. By that logic we should trade Kreider, Thomas, Erixon, Mcilrath, and Miller for Cam Jannsen because he has more points.
We have to look at projection, and percentages. If Kreider projects to be a 60 point guy, and has an 80% chance of making it, let’s count him at 48 points. Trading him and Dubi for Nash is already not worth it.
My bad with the math above. I meant something more like 25-30 from Dubinsky. Dubi has the 6th most points on our team amount forwards. He’s on pace for 40, and even if he peaks at 45, than fine.
But I still wouldn’t trade a 45 point player with a great two-way game, a prospect that projects to be a very good NHL player, and a 1st round pick, and cap flexibility, for a guy who usually puts up 65 points.
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two prior years… he had 55 last year and the two years before that he was 40 point player… law of averages says he’s a 40 point player not a 55 point player…
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No, average production versus age of hockey players state that as you age into your prime you produce more points.
He’s most likely somewhere in between. Let’s say 48.
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Nash is only on pace for 26 goals this year. I can ask you the same exact thing.
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nash has played 9 years and only twice has had less than 30 goals… of of them was his rookie year, the other he had 27 goals… dubi has 2, 40 point years to his name and 1, 50… nash’s stats are more credible than dubinskys
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Not arguing that they aren’t. Nash has reached his peak, Dubi still has some room to grow.
I will never say that Dubi is better than Nash. I’m saying, for the last time, that Nash is NOT worth his contract OR the players we would have to get up to get him.
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i will agree to disagree because i think we need to make our run now rather than in 3 years especially the way lundqvist is playing…
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Fair enough. I think the man is just entering his prime now (7 years into the league), and will continue to dominate.
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I’m hoping Kreider signs a contract with the team, there seems to be some inkling he wants to play in boston and might not.
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.
Some people suggested it on here but I don’t think there is any truth to it and as far as I know Kreider hasn’t even suggested he wants to sign elsewhere.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 15, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously, but the man isn’t worth his contract, let alone what we have to give up to get him.
It’s a cap world.
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what if Krieder starts producing
at a Nash-like level in 3 years, not saying he will…
what tune will you sing then?
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
its all what ifs. Your then passing up a top talent like Nash and in return you may get Pavel Brendl or Hugh Jessiman then would you look stupid for NOT getting him? Coin flips both ways
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
but you need to consider all parts of the coin flip. If Kreider doesnt pan out you still have cap room to do stuff AND you still have a 1st in the east team marching into the playoffs.
If you trade for nash and he bombs here then you have no cap room to sign new players, you fall out of 1st, you collapse the future, etc etc.
Everyone is focused on
“what if’s?”. Everyone is focused on Nash’s level of production and the level of production going back the other way. Yes, Nash is a 65-70 point player. Yes, Kreider has ZERO NHL points. Yes, Dubinsky is a 45-55 point player. Yes we’re all speculating on future success/statistics. Let us for a moment not worry about any numbers except for 15 years/$100 million.
Can those of you who want Nash take a step back for a moment? Let’s look at the boys who play at the Pebble, shall we? They are paying Kovalchuk a boatload of money. With a sizeable annual cap hit.
Does no one remember when his new (at the time) 15-year $100 million contract was signed? How the Devils could only afford to pay (at one point) 21 players and were still OVER THE CAP??? In case you don’t know, you need to have 23 players under contract. Note now how this offseason Parise is going to be an UFA. Can the Devils even afford to keep him?
To recap, I used the Devils here because it’s a perfect example of what happens when you have a big annual cap hit. Sometimes, signing or trading for the “big gun” is just you shooting yourself in the foot cap-wise. (see what I did there?)
Note however, I said NOTHING about production or whether these players have justified their respective contracts. I didn’t even say anything about the cost (in terms of current roster players/prospects/picks) to trade for Nash. Those of you who want Nash only see him as a “star” (I don’t necessarily disagree; I’m simply reserving judgment) who will supposedly help win a Cup. Again, I won’t opine on whether or not Nash can help win a Cup; the purpose of this was to show how absolutely crippling it is to bring in a $+7.5 million cap hit to a team.
Exactly. Take names out of this and it’s an easy decision.
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The trade off is that you don’t have to give up Dubinsky, Kreider, one of Step/McD/AA, and a 1st round pick for Parise.
Maybe you missed that.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is my point. You’re not seeing the cap implications. That trade will result in us losing one of Step/McD when we have 5 great RFA’s in 2 years. There is a cap you know.
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how does trading dubi and kreider and a 1st cost us stepan and mcdonagh…
i realize they are RFA’s… do you think the rangers are legitmately going to keep the same 21 guys on the team for the next 10 years?
Gaborik is going to be gone most likely, one of staal or girardi will be gone… and most likely girardi… thats the point of filling the ranks… there are so many changes that are giong to happen in 5 years… it’s impossible to keep the same 18 guys all the time unless you find players to do waht the patriots did a few years ago and take pay cuts to be on a winning team…
@clalicata17
Filling the ranks? Yeah, it’s harder to do that when you want to give up our most valuable picks/prospects.
And because of the cap. There is a maximum amount of money you can spend. If we bring in Nash, in two years when McD/Step/AA/Hags/Sauer are all RFA’s, there is NO WAY we can keep them all. The money just doesn’t work.
And if Gaborik is going to be gone (which he wont in 2 years), how does this team improve? Take away Dubi, Kreider, a 1st, and Gaborik and replace it with Nash and a $3 million player? That makes us even worse.
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I can deal with the kreider nash trade off… St. Croix… Christen Thomas… JT Miller… Jesper Fasth… Steven Fogarty…. the list goes on and on… if we hoard our prospects in the name of the future instead of using them for what they are… expendable assets… then we will never put ourselves over the top…
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how do we know what over the top is? isn’t that the cup? maybe richards put us over the top. kind of thought that’s what that signing was.
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Teams that are in 4-5th place in the conference win the cup, doesn’t mean they are over the top.
WASH was supposed to be over-the-top a few years ago.. that worked out, right?
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what? you’re logic is impossible to follow, now 4th and 5th place teams win… Wash was able to dow hat they did in a high scoring south east division which is notably weak… i don’t remember them ever being over the top… the fact of the matter is the rangers are 1 goal scorer from being over the top… not a defense and a goalie in washington’s case…
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I’m saying how there is no measurement of “being over the top”. Right now we are dominating the conference. If Nash comes in and doesn’t produce (most players don’t right away on new teams), do we need another guy to put us “over the top”?
The team is in first, by a wide margin. Most of our players are young, and getting better. I’m against trading our best assets for a 65 point player with a bad contract, that’s all.
Sorry if I was confusing.
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the mere fact that he’d be keyed on by other defenses indicates he’d be problematic for other teams outside of his point scoring ability… opening up space… when you play teams what line do they focus on? gabby or nash?
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That’s my argument.
Richards got all the attention in Dallas, but isn’t doing better here. Kovalchuk got all the attention in ATL, but isn’t doing better in Jersey. Gaborik got more attention on Minny, and is doing about the same here. Prospal is getting more attention in CBJ as he did in NY, and is putting up the same amount of points (maybe more).
Great players, like Nash, tend to keep the same numbers when they transfer from a bad team to a good team. Assuming he keeps those same numbers, the trade isn’t worth it.
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so you’re saying 65-70 points is bad?
in a league where rarely people sniff 100 points and the best players put up 80-90 points…
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Read my last sentence again please. I called Nash a great player. If you think Great = Bad, than so be it.
For me, its all about production versus contract. 65-70 points is great, but not worth 7.8 million, and not worth a ~50 point player, the teams top prospect, and a first round pick.
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What is over the top for you? Because being up by 10 points in the conference seems like over the top to me? Do you want to be 20 points better than everyone?
I thought Richards put us over the top. And yes, we should move some of our prospects for guys who can play now. I’m not arguing that.
I’m arguing against this particular trade, where we are losing value in every single way.
Did you see me arguing against trading prospects for Carter? No. Because that was a fair trade.
This trade is insane.
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if you don’t think this team lacks that one final goal scorer you are insane… Carter’s contract is even worse than nash’s in terms of years… money is money… 9 years of carter or 6 years of nash… carter isnt doing much in columbus so he must not be elite then… you see how this works… you’re argument well carter scored 40 with the flyers… well the flyers were a better team… carter is no better than nash… carter played with gagne and mike richards in philly… who did nash play with in columbus… you’d be hard pressed to even come up with his linemates…
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We’re 12th in the NHL in GF, and 1st in GA. Seems pretty solid to me.
And money is only money in terms of Dolan’s bank account. For fans, the only thing that matters is cap hits.
Carter is not better than Nash, BUT he is worth more because he has a better contract.
I could say, “if you think the best team in the league needs to make trades to win” your insane, but I’m not. So let’s stop that.
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it’s not a trade to win… it’s moving and expendable asset in dubinsky with a prospect and a bad 1st round pick… nobody said the rangers were only getting nash back… a pick could very well be coming back… when you build your team correctly players become expenable like dubinsky… and when you can move an expendable piece to upgrade then you do it… if nash can be had for dubi kreider and a 1st… i’m for it… any more then i let it slide…
@clalicata17
That’s fair enough. I’m against it, your for it, which is fine. I’m more concerned about long run, you are short run.
Neither is right or wrong. I’m fine with making moves for better players. I’m fine with trading away prospects.
I’m against it in this particular circumstance. The cap hit and the asking price are too high for me.
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Or you know, he’ll generate less shots, with less ice time, and put up 25 goals at 7.8 million dollars.
Have fun losing Dubi, Kreider, a 1st, and one of McD/Step or two of AA/Sauer/Hags.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gaborik and Kovalchuk for that matter are actually good examples of the “better/more offensive team = more scoring” theories.
On per game average Gaborik isn’t producing any more than he was in Minny. His career high season in his first year here was more due to him playing 76 games.
Kovalchuk is producing about the same this year as he was in Atlanta, with a healthy Zach Parise.
These guys kinda are what they are at this point of their career. Nearly a decade in the league I don’t expect Nash to get substantially better than what he already is (although I’ll concede he’d be better than he has this season).
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, especially at Nash’s age.
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a 65 point player is an upgrade especially in the goal category… 30 goals… we may have 2 this year… that’d give us 3
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Nash has to pick up the pace this year to hit 30 though.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Again, there are multiple examples that being on a better team does not change All-star level players production.
And sure, its possible, but its completely out of line with his career numbers. At that rate, he puts up 50 goals. Dubi could put up 10 in his last 20 as well.
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counter arguments are easy to make, but when nash has a long standing history of 30 goal scoring years, the scale tips to nash…
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Majority of players who have been even better goal scorers than Nash on bad teams find that their numbers don’t change when they are moved to a better team.
There is no reason to believe Nash’s numbers will increase, and there is no reason to believe someone who averages .375 GPG will suddenly put up .6PPG the last 20 games of the season.
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No there aren’t, but 30 goal scorers shouldn’t be making 7.8 millions. Thats for 40+ goal scorers.
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EXACTLY.
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You will get amnesty after CBA issues so in theory you could jettison him or richards who is older just for arguments sake.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 15, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
You’re confident in that?
If you can be so confident in that, than every GM can too, and every GM should sign at least one player to a terrible contract. I rather not depend on a new stipulation in the CBA.
Plus, if you are right, and the amnesty is there, I rather we keep it open incase a guy like Richie doesn’t man out. Now all of a sudden you have 2 guys, both over 28, both putting up 55-65 points, and making a combined $14.5 million.
Sound familiar? Let’s stay away from that.
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Kreider's potential fits our needs more than Nash at the moment
We are doing pretty well, I say hold out and make a smaller move at the deadline for a rental or maybe Carter. If sather could pull it off without moving Dubi he would be a GOD for all of us to worship.
“potential” i have the potential to be a millionaire… but i’m not… and potential won’t win you games… ask wolski, zherdev, daigle… the list goes on and on and on and on and on… prospects are prospects and should be treated as such…
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I can name good prospects for every bad prospect you named.
You know what doesn’t win you games? Players who have and never will be worth their contracts.
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there are 7 rounds x 30 prospects i’m sure i could name more bad prospects than you could name good ones and thats a fact
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Kreider was not picked in the 7th round.
He was picked in the 1st round, and has great potential.
Let’s find 1st round picks that were in college/juniors who have had the same potential as Kreider and see how they have fared. That’s more fair.
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you do not have the potential to be a millionaire
sorry fail argument there
if you had that potential
you most likely would not have the time to post here.
every person has the potential to be a millionaire… and thats a fact… if you put a way 5 dollars a week for s certain amouont of years you will accumulate over 1 million dollars, and that is a fact… it is achievable in life…
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Let’s see…5 dollars per week, figure 52 weeks in a year…That’s (GEORGE WHERE ARE YOU?) 260 a year…carry the 1…that’s 3,486 years (give or take a few months of hospice care).
What does this mean>? Means Rick Nash bitchez!
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
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no no no
you didn’t compound the interest.
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the average nowadays, .4%. Hell, I’ll give you the last 486 years and just go with a solid 3000. Figure the Earth will have shaken us off like a bad case of the fleas by then (props if you get the reference), but I’ll be livin’ large on Mars, though inflation probably turns that mil’ into a loaf of bread and the Sunday morning paper.
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Inflation would matter in terms of the purchasing power of $1M in the time it takes to compound that amount. You could still technically be a millionaire, but that million might not buy that much.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dubi, Kreider and a 1st won’t get you Nash. Nobody in his right mind trades away his franchise superstar for a good NHL player and some prospects/picks that may never play in the NHL. You have to give up at least 2 good young NHL players and then you can start adding prospects and picks.
Nash is a face of a franchise but that doesn’t mean he should be valued higher than other players. Therein lies the problem.
CBJ views him higher than other teams due. Take out names for a second.
We have a guy who put up 56 points last year and is a great two-way forward. We also have a 1st round pick. We also have a prospect who is the best prospect we’ve had in over 5 years. Do you think we should trade those things for a 65-70 point player?
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I was just saying that the CBJs won’t trade Nash for a single roster player plus some prospects and picks. That’s way too risky for them.
I’m against getting Nash/Carter/Parise or any other big contract. The team simply can’t afford four big contracts in the long run.
Yup. Agreed on all fronts.
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You know what nobody is asking…why CBJ wants to trade their star player. Maybe they realize that 7.8m for that production isn’t really the best way to go about it.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 15, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Doubtful. It’s about rebuilding, and when you have a player like Nash, you can use him to accelerate a rebuild if you do it right. If a team needs a player like him, you trade him there and acquire 3-4 pieces that you can use.
They also have to weight it against him being the only face of that franchise’s history, and they have an all-star game coming next year which is a big revenue boon to that team.
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I’d love to have him but not at that cost. Columbus isnt going to give him away unless they get a sh*tload in return. We dont have to have him so no sense in giving up way too much for him.
I have moved on if they are really looking for McD &/or Step and all the rest. The guy’s really good but he’s not Gretzky either.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions
NASH
I agree with everything.
Kreider isn’t going anywhere.
And Nash won’t be here.
But I wanted to share this…
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBQArUjP89w
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
redundancy department of redundancy, did you have a claim?
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wanted to share the link...
which I clearly didn’t do correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBQArUjP89w
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would comment, but...
I would just be denigrated and insulted by some folks who disagree. Nice forum you have here, very welcoming.
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Stop being a baby. You made an unnecessary comment regarding a player’s nationality, and you were called on it. If you want a parade, I’ll see what I can swing. Trumpets may be tough on short notice.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 15, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
Wow, can’t take sarcasm either, huh?
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there was nothing immediately obvious that your post was sarcastic in the least. Why are you doing this right now?
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I have no patience for “internet martyrs”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because that post was so sarcastic.
See, that was sarcasm…
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sarcasm should be banned from the internet. it’s just one of those things that requires far too much intonation and body language to do successfully. how do you do sarcasm through typing anyhow??
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Most sarcasm is pretty easy to detect. The best is replying to sarcasm with sarcasm, which really fucks people up.
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Well generally you learn people’s views, and when they make comments arguing for the opposite, its sarcasm.
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I’d agree with that… but in order to have a rigorous methodology for online sarcasm it must be immediately noticeable, even from stranger to stranger, no? I don’t really know your views so I don’t know when you’re sarcastic or not. #firstworldproblems
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose. It’s hard to explain, but usually you can pick up on it.
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If I remember correctly there is a sarcasm font here. It’s the boxed quote but the font is some oldschool looking times new roman. Idk how to do it though.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
That’s only for real stupid shit, like “Wade Redden is the best 1st-passer in hockey!”
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It would have been much better if Perry Pearn had used the sarcastic font on that one.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
he typed up his book reports as a kid using that font.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the internet. If you’re not prepared to take and dish out some insults, you aren’t prepared for the internet.
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know about you guys but
I wouldn’t want Nash if we got him for a bag of pucks….think about it would you want to sign him to that contract if he was a free agent…I would say go sin somewhere else…add that to the fact that we would have to trade valuable assets it just doesn’t make sense
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 2:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think he’d get mid-6s to low 7s for what he does on the FA market.
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 3:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn’t get all worked up about the asking price. I work as a Buyer, and the first offer is never the real offer.
That being said, I don’t think Kreider’s going anywhere, and I don’t think Nash is coming.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
I doubt Sather, Gorton, Clark and Messier would go watch Kreider play, then showcase him during the 2nd intermission of the Bruins game, just to trade him a week later. As you said, he’s not going anywhere.
Although having to be interviewed by Giannone may have him thinking about med school
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I would think more along the lines of professional hitman.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 15, 2012 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think its possible for us to get robbed right now. this win streak against tough teams positions us in control of the trade market. everyone knows we are shopping for extra piece. but the more we prove ourselves the more we can drive down value. even more so if our FO thinks emmy and sauer will be ready for the playoffs.
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by birdmansns on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions
hard to believe anyone wants any of the roster players to be traded. look at the results. if they were battling for the playoffs or even lingering in the middle of the pack, i’d say maybe if the price was right. but geez, they’re humming on all cylinders, with everyone involved.
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Some good stuff via SNYRangersblog.com
First of all, everyone is kicking the tires…
Daren Millard @darenmillard
Stars GM j nieuwendyk admits to hc@noon he has had a conversation with cbj gm s howson in the last 24hrs. Adds, I’m sure 28 others have too
Secondly, this write-up about Kreider doesn’t make me feel like he is considering not coming to NY or that Rangers Management is “pissed” at him for his college decision, as many here have said.
Does Nieuwendyk still want Dubinsky, Staal, 12 first rounders, the Chrysler building and an MSG suite for Brad Richards?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 15, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lmao
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I think you guys are missing a couple of things on Nash that may end up keeping the trading price low: nash wants out and/or the owner wants to dump big time $$. If Nash wants out then the CBJs have zero choice but to trade him. And if the owner, after spending all this money and getting nothing for it, wants to rid themselves of high priced players then that will make a deal necessary as well.
If it ends up that Dubi, a #1, and Thomas and/or St. Croix get this done then how do you say no? or at least think very heavily about it? don’t assume it will take a ton to get him. if he’s on the market then he wants out.
I still think LA pulls this off.
Bernier, Forbort, 1st, possibly Johnson. CBJ needs D and goal-tending, and they’re most likely taking Yak or Greg with their 1st rounder. Kings 1st will be a good 10 places higher than ours too.
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Kings are desperate for scoring so much that they will probably overpay. We’re #1 with NO reason to overpay. Slot him next to Richards or Kopitar and you have a pretty potent line.
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Nope. That contract is crippling.
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THE CONTRACT IS CRIPPLING!!!! LIKE A SHOTGUN TO THE KNEE CAP! ITS LIKE HAVING MY FOOT IMPALED BY A SWORD.
:)
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I’m sure if you could, your caps would be even bigger, lol. BTW, I am fine with our current team. If we had a tad more scoring then…
I wish, and a big green font too!
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I was an armchair GM once like you, but then I took a sword to the foot.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
lmao skyrim <3
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Newp. I love Rick Nash as a player…but this team is not desperate for his services.
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I don’t know, but if it’s any lower than my waist-line he’s getting a face-full of my right knee.
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Umm, I’ll pass, because I don’t think our PP is going to be based on 1 player here or there. If you look at the past ~4 games, it’s about the system and puck movement. They’re moving the puck beautifully and guys are moving around, and they’re scoring. Plus, Stralman has stuck fairly well and is good with the puck.
I could see adding another D for depth, but it’ll be more of a homer/defensive guy because Sauer is still iffy and Eminger has looked like ass in his return. .02$
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the cap hit is to high
to many RFAs to sign over the next few years. And I dont really believe he can outscore dubi that much to consider that cost. I dont see him blocking shots either. I think dubis team chemistry is most important. He is one of the core guys on this team with cally, boyle prust, gabby, hank in terms or team heart..At least thats what I got from 24/7 Why upset this balance when we are in first
by InTortsWeTrust on Feb 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah!
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This man says
The cap hit is too damn high
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This wins the thread.
Nash oils his himmer with 1000-dollar bills.
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we are not getting Nash
maybe Carter or nobody from CBJ so stop talking about this already, we don’t want/need Nash.
Perfect match.
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Nash to Rangers?
This club is not desperate enough to offer CBJ a wealthy return on Nash. There will be teams out there like Tor, LA, SJ or Bos that will offer an amazing package to land Nash. Howson is right to drive up the price because he holds the ace. Rangers should fold this hand because he won’t settle for a 3rd liner, prospect & 1st (very late round) pick. And I’m ok with that.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Agreed, except someone who put up 56 points last year and is on pace for 40 in his worst year is not a 3rd liner.
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Sure – I think of Dubi as more than a 3rd liner too, but that’s his slot right now. On CBJ, he could play 1st line minutes. I’d hate to lose Dubi in any trade – let’s not forget that last year when Gabby was slumping, him & Cally carried this club.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
The same people wanting Nash now wanted to trade Gabby last year.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the same people who wants Nash is the same who wanted/dislikes/hates
Dubinsky. they will be all over Nash when he struggles too
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve fought tooth and nail for MDZ and never advocated for the trade of gaborik unless somebody offered us something we could not refuse… on top of that dubinsky is my favorite player on the current rangers team, and I still would love to have rick nash on richards wing…
@clalicata17
look I'm not against trading for Nash
but with all the arguments FOR, its still a very steep price (literally) for one player.
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
what about the benefit of getting a player like Nash AND keeping a player like Nash away from competition? We may not need Nash as much as other teams but perhaps there is some benefit to keeping him away from immediate threats?? Idk.. just stream of consciousness thinking..
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well there’s only so much hiding you can do with a line. They already give the GAS a high amount of OZone starts so you’d be sacrificing hiding them if you want to hide Nash’s line from the tough lines. And odds are in the playoffs, particularly in the late rounds every team is going to deep, so you’ll have to go power vs power at some point, especially on the road.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
i mean keeping other teams from acquiring Nash as part of the benefit of the Rangers getting him.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t think of a single team that does operates that way, especially with the cost in cap hit and players moving the other way. Maybe on waiver wire claims, but not in trading some of the biggest names in the league.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t either, but then again I don’t know how teams operate when it comes to stuff like this at all lol.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Don't Do it!!!
that’s all I have to say about that
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Yes, Forrest.
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by Danz10 on Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think a big name like Nash with the associated ego, baggage, etc. will take time to adjust and may potentially alter chemistry in the locker room so let someone else deal with those issues. We don’t need it – we’re playing well and our style of hockey will prevail in the play-offs more than run & gun high offense.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions
If we trade for Nash...
… I will force Sather to eat the corn out of his own shit.
Have another doughnut
Well, I think we’re all in agreement (YOU TOO MOSHE). WE NEED RICK NASH NOW!!!!!
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he’s ignoring it so he doesn’t blow his cover.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
shh
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lmao!
you caught me!
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Wolski was doing good in Conn.
Can’t we just give him another try before we do anything drastic. I mean I’m not fond of his inconsistency but he won’t make us worse and he’s a goal scorer. What would be the harm?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah
why hasn’t he played some, what with Feds out?
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
Kick save AND A BEAUTY by Giacomin!
I think conditioning stints are mandatory for those 2 weeks if I’m not mistaken. Plus, it’s obvious Torts doesn’t want him around.
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I’m with this!
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The thing about WW is that he reminds me of EC. Nice hands but mainly a no-show. It’s unforgivable on a team of Callys, BBs, Prusts & Dubis. I’d rather see MZA back because he hustles like Cally. Let’s remember that what got this team this far is Torts preaching team Identity. WW doesn’t fit the team in that respect and just because he may add a few assists playing with other talent doesn’t give him the right to skate on this team. He is done!
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but if we need offense why not exhaust all internal options before making a costly move?
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Agreed but do we REALLY need offense that badly? I mean we are 12th in the league with what 2.59gpg or something like that? How many times shut out this year? A handful? Play-off hockey, to quote that genius Daryl Sutter, is a 3-2 game.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
ok, i know those lean times make us all call for crazy trades but right now we are scoring, PP is good (holding his fingers crossed while touching wood) and did you see Gabby’s moves in the Wsh game. He has swagger.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
just looked it up, 5 times (of which 2 games were 1-0 so tight contests).
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I don’t think it’s as bad as people make it out to be.
I’m comfortable with the way the team is now going into the playoffs.
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This is Mental..
Kreider is Nash 7 years younger and faster and has an ELC. If you don’t think he will make the team next year, you are kidding yourselves.
This would be the worst trade ever, if we gave them even as little as Dubi, Kreieder and a 1st.
We need 1 more depth scorer if we can finagle one as a rental for cheap and that is it.
Does anyone agree?
Well we’ll see how much Kreider does in his first year in the NHL, I doubt he’s an instant 30 goal guy but it’s about grooming him to take a top scoring role when Gaborik’s contract is up and maybe some guys leave as they hit UFA.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
3 reasons not to go after Nash
1. Bad contract ties him to Rangers and if he’s a bust we can’t go after Ryan or Parise in the offseason
2. He’s not a proven play-off performer and has never played in a hockey mad city. Some players do not adjust well to the limelight. (Drury, Redden, etc.)
3. We are top dogs, so don’t mess with chemistry right now. Go with what’s got us here so far.
4. Price will be too steep.
Ok, that’s 4 reasons but you get my drift.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions
Yeah!
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Agree with l.whit
The way to build a solid team in the salary cap era is to keep rolling talented young players with affordable contracts into the system, and, then, when their contracts get too big, trading them off to teams desperate for a quick fix and taking more talented young prospects back, in return.
Sounds about right.
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most here know about my Man Crush on Kreider
But seriously, if you are seriously considering trading this guy for anyone…back away from the keyboard and take a deep deep breath. This kid is a future 30+ goal scorer that will fit into this system beautifully, and even though I would do dark and unspeakable things to get Rick Nash on the Rangers…trading Kreider is crossing the line that I refuse to cross
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by Kevin Power on Feb 15, 2012 3:12 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
He’d oil Kreider’s himmers.
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think the original ‘himmer’ was supposed to be ‘hummer’, slang for a BJ. Dunno at what point ‘himmer’ turned into ‘dick.’
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 3:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
To put Kreider in perspective
Kreider is having his best season yet, he’s got 19 g’s and 26 A’s for 35 points through 30 games.
That puts him on pace to get close to what this current NHL’er/ former 1st rd draft pick did his Jr. year on Jerry York’s Eagles where he potted 30 G’s and 22 A’s in 42 games.
So, I guess what I’m saying, is at very least, history seems to say Kreider will worth a 3rd round draft pick in 3 years.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 15, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
If they want Staal in a Nash deal, we shouldn’t be opposed. This team carried on fine without Staal through half the season, and Staal hasn’t exactly been providing answers in his return. Dubi’s name keeps coming up, because his 6 goals have him pegged as an underachiver, but really we’d be giving up more in Dubi’s defense, faceoffs, and toughness if we replaced him with Nash, then we would if we sent Staal, he hasn’t done much of anything this season (I understand Staal’s been hurt, so I’m not holding it against him, but it doesn’t change the facts that we haven’t missed a step without him).
Honestly, the easiest way to get Nash is probably to offer Staal and Dubi. Not only would Nash’s contract not be a problem to fit under the cap, but we’d get BACK an extra $400k in cap space each of the next 4 years.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 15, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nash has a cap hit of $7.8 per year. Dubi has a cap hit of $4.2 and Staal has a cap hit of $3.75, for a combined cap hit of $8.175 a year. The concerns with bringing in Nash are that we would have to give up too many young players, or he would cost too much money. Staal and Dubi are both guys who’ve gotten passed this season by guys making less money then them, and both are filling rolls we can certainly find guys to fill for less money in the future. If Columbus would take those two for Nash, it would be big fix for us.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 15, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
How can you say that the cap hit isn’t an issue?
The cap hits match up, but it’s two players for one. You have fun trading a ~50 point two-way forward and an elite defensemen for a ~65 point player.
I swear this is like a baby who is attracted to shiny things. It’s a cap era, everything is about production versus cost.
I’m okay with making trades, big trades too. But not for Nash, not with his contract. The thing is an albatross.
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And who replaces Staal? I for one would NOT want to go into the playoffs with Eminger, Woywitka and Bickle as half of my defense.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
And who replaces Staal?
The same people who’ve been replacing him all season. You’re not exactly talking about giving up a guy who’s played a major role (or any role for that matter) in our success this season. Dubi keeps getting him name thrown out as trade bait, because of what he’s making, and what he’s contributing. Staal is pretty much in the same boat.
As I said above, I think you’d have a bigger problem replacing what Dubi brings (faceoffs, physical play, defense) if Dubi is the roster player who gets sent, then you would filling Marc Staal’s hole in the lineup, since the D has already proven they are fine without Staal in the lineup.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I know you have a personal vendetta against Staal
and he has not been his former self, but we’ve seen stretches of what he is capable of and I bet you my car that he is a huge part of the playoffs for us this season…
Also, what happens when, ya know, next season comes around and Staal does look better and more involved, or the season after that? He was out an extended amount of time, but instead of saying he hasn’t played a big part this season, why don’t think about what could happen if we DID have Staal, Girardi, AND McDonagh playing at top form + Lundqvist oiling and himmering and what not? That gives me chills…
Stop kidding yourself, this team is successful because of Henrik for the most part. Also strong play by Girardi and McD on the back end.
I has next to nothing to do with how well Bickle and Woywitka has played. But those are the players you think will amount to playoff success.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Buck is like frankie with grammar. Good for entertainment purposes, but generally is just going to piss you off if you engage him in any meaningful manner.
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You have fun with a 65 point player making 7.8 million.
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apologies
Typo – Kreider has 35 points, only 16 assists not 26.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Buck, sometimes you make great arguments, but this is just trolling in every single way.
This is sad on your part.
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Why fix something that's not broke?
This team is fine how it is. They’ve gotten this far with great chemistry and to take a chance that you completely ruin it? I’m pretty much against any trade that gets rid of a roster player at this point. I wouldn’t mind doing a Selanne rental for a mid draft pick if he’d waive his NMC.
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I agree on all points.
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Personally, after spending 3 years out here in the midwest, I love Nash. He is a great player who is a lot grittier than people here give him credit for. I only wish the current CBA could allow deals like the Jagr deal we did with the Caps. Having Nash with Columbus paying half of his hit would be awesome.
Well this is how I look at it. We have so many good prospects all at the same age level, we won’t have room for every single one. That and although they’re great now, doesn’t mean they’ll be great in the Nhl. Having a surplus of prospects can some extra fire power with out giving up our entire future. I’d have no problem moving a few prospects and Dubi for Nash, its just that 7.8 number I can’t get around
I’m in the same boat as you.
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+1
The reason I don’t want Nash or Parise for that matter, is that the Rangers already have three big contracts. Adding another one means that almost half the cap would be spent on four players. That’s insane.
I have no problem trading picks or prospects for the right kind of deal.
by M.R.M. on Feb 15, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s exactly where most of the ‘No on Nash’ folks are. Nobody can deny his talent, but most folks don’t agree that talent is worth 8m a year (12% of the team’s cap-space). I think there’s plenty of motivation for a trade that upgrades the team, and I’m not even beyond trading Kreider, but it has to make sense. Some of the RFA guys are going to need significant money in a few years (McDonagh and Stepan specifically).
Nash is a great player, and he’ll give us a few extra goals down the stretch and into the playoffs. Look at Chicago as an example. They spent a shitload, got Hossa and a few others, won a cup, and had to dismantle 30% of their team, and now you can see where they’re at.
Boston, on the other hand, put themselves in great position to be competitive for a good stretch of years (like Detroit).
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Yes Detroit
who seem to always be good…and never make huge trades
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They have been freakishly lucky that their best players stay healthy for the most part.
And they’ve hit it out of the park with their late round drafting.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
we’ve done okay ourselves with hank and cally
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah but Datsyuk+Zetterberg > Hank+Cally
This year the Rangers have narrowed that gap but Detroit has gotten a ton of good years out of those two.
And don’t forget having a perennial Norris trophy D who never ages back there.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, I’d say Hank and Cally do more for this team than Datsyuk and Zetterberg do for detroit.
Detroit wins consistently, and Boston has set themselves up to do the same, but hoarding players who outperform their contracts, not getting excited by the big name, and setting up good developmental systems.
Not by bringing a couple flashy guys and surrounding them with waiver-wire pick-ups.
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Do you guys realize Datsyuk has been in Detroit A LONG TIME
He played on a line with Federov. He wasn’t a big hit, he was a 35 point player his first year. However, he improved probably with help from Federov, that guy was a beast, and with the development system and coaching staff which is absolutely brilliant in Detroit.
Callahan has the potential to be what is Datsyuk is now in terms of overall worth, however he is more of a scorer and Datsyuk is more of a playmaker.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Datsyuk is absolutely the better player. I didn’t mean to compare the two in that aspect. Both Datsyuk and Zetterberg are phenomenal.
I was just making a point that those two guys for us, at this moment, mean more to this team than those two guys mean to Detroit. Obviously many people will disagree, but that’s just me.
You take away those two, we lose our heart, soul, and brick wall.
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This gives me a lot of hope that Anisimov can be like a Datsyuk 2.0 in a way
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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Yup. Not saying he’ll be the same dominant player, but he has all the natural ability to be a fantastic 60+ point two-way player.
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Exactly. He can pot 20+ a year, get like 40+ apples, and with his great 2-way play, he would be so valuable to us. He just needs to get more consistent with his age, he needs to get a bit stronger on the puck, and probably strengthen his frame as well. I feel that players like Arty take a few more years to develop, just like smaller forwards, almost all goaltenders, and some defensemen. Because physically they could be there, but the mental part of their game is a huge thing, I think with more experience, the better of a player Arty will be, he’s just gotta do his work physically also.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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They also…I don’t want to say overdevelop, but their guys seem to take a few extra years to make the NHL, but when they do, they come fully prepared to play a complete game (defense/offense) and manage to fit right in to whatever the professional team is doing.
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Could you imagine if there was internet in the 80’s and there were rumors about Gretzky being traded? Or how about when Messier was rumored to come to NYR and eventually did?
If there was BB then the site would have been destroyed.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Could you imagine if there was internet in the 80’s and there were rumors about Gretzky being traded?
Hearing Gretzky to the Bruins almost done. (e4)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
now that I got your attention George
What do you think about the Rangers adding Blake Wheeler? He shouldn’t cost much and can play solid on the 3rd line.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
He’s a nice player, but that’s seems like a ‘make a move for the sake of making a move’ deal.
Mind you, all deals like that I make with the assumption that Rupp isn’t coming out of the lineup. Give me Dubi-Boyle-Wheeler and Feds-Mitchell-Prust on the bottom line, then I like it again.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
If the Rangers do add a decent forward at the deadline
I’d be upset at torts if he continually keeps playing Rupp. Especially in the playoffs. Mike Rupps aren’t needed in the playoffs. He’s a decent depth guy if someone is hurt for a bit but that’s about it.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Which is funny, since all I read is how you need guys like Rupp for the playoffs.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dubi and a non-Kreider/Erixon/McIlrath prospect for Carter. Do you do it?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
No
While I’ve obviously advocated Carter over Nash, it’s more under the premise of “If we’re raiding the Blue Jackets, who do we get?” more than a love for Carter. There’s enough concerns with his on-ice play that I wouldn’t give up Dubinsky to get him.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting.
Is it that Carter’s GvT doesn’t command the $1M premium over Dubi’s? I’d imagine Carter’s ability to generate shots gives him a pretty good Corsi rating.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't even looked at GVT.
Carter’s certainly worth $1m more right now. Yes, his Corsi is excellent, especially considering his competition. I worry about the fit with our top 6, as he and Richards together would be defensively entertaining at best, and Carter-Stepan-Gaborik would have some issues as well.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Any chance they run three lines lines all getting equalish time at even strength, and let Richie, Gabby, Cally, and Carter gobble up the PP time.
AA Step Gabby
Hags RIchie Cally
Dubi Carter Mitchell
Feds Boyle Prust
something like that maybe?
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In theory yes, but clearly not in practice. Tortorella shortens to 4 lines later in the year, it’s just an inevitability.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
who are we trading for carter?
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how about Anson Carter?
haha….bad joke…
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by feslenraster on Feb 15, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Prospects and picks. The equivalent of just less than Voracek, a 1st, and a 3rd. MZA, Valentenko, and a 1st? I would do that.
Little more than than, but you get the picture.
But yeah, maybe a Mcilrath, 2nd rounder, MZA, and Wolski (money purposes).
A bit less than they got back from Philly, but that’s expected.
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Still don’t want to trade McIlrath..McIlrath/Kreider I’d like to see play for the Rangers, followed with Erixon and the rest, but that’s just me I guess
I don’t want to either, but they might request it instead of our first round pick.
MZA and Wolski are gone next year anyways, so do you give up Mcilrath and a 2nd rounder for Carter?
I do.
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people say we need him for experience…when he says we don’t need a Rupp in the playoffs he means an enforcer type player which I agree
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
haha nah thats not me
Rupp brings experience, but that’s about it. Good locker room presence, but I shudder when he jumps over the boards for his 4 or 5 shifts a game.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Actually wait if Jeremy Lin doesn't blow it up first, Rick Nash will
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
the site would have been destroyed from people going OH FUCK ANOTHER 30+ YEAR OLD PAST HIS PRIME GUY WHOSE BEST YEARS ARE DONE
believe it or not (you probably don’t) there were quite a few opinions like that on that fateful afternoon of october 4th, 1991
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and in the fall of ’91, there was no playoff baseball in new york, the giants were into year one of the handley fiasco, and the jets were the jets
messier’s arrival was a big deal, but not the way you’d think
the only other team making headlines? the knicks, because of pat riley
how times have changed
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Urban Dictionary says...
1. himmer
A hummer performed by a male.
“Jason was well known throughout the prison for his himmers.”
2. himmer
A shortening of the phrase “him or her.” Himmer can be used as a pronoun to refer to a person of unidentifiable sex, or when writing about a person of unknown gender.
See also: hersh, hiser
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3. himmer
A juppie racktied by a donkey slip on the knee junk.
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Have another doughnut
I would ask that for Nash too
Nash has a NMC and has not actually asked for a trade. Until he does, Howson holds all the cards, and he can ask for whatever he wants.
Some desperate team might overpay, but I cant even fathom why the Rangers, first in the east by 9 points, would be that team. Even the old Slats might not do something that stupid.
Let's pretend it's February 28th
And stop ANY Rangers trade discussions on this forum.
Let’s talk about Zidlicky to NJ.
you wanna talk about satan's team?
head over to in lou we trust. Nah Zidlicky would be a decent pick up for them but I can see NJD overpaying.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
if it offends you, let’s talk about Hal Gill to pittsbourgh, or selane to detroit…you pick…
my point was to stop talking about rangers trades
joking. I don't like NJD but im not offended by them.
I don’t get sick to the stomach talking about them either.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Seems a bizarre move after already acquiring Foster to presumably to the same thing. (ignoring for a second that Foster has been a disaster area defensively). I mean, I know they don’t get much offense from their back line, but they seem to be over-compensating for that.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Also seems bizarre given that he carries a $4M cap hit for next year.
Kinda eats into the Keep Parise in NJ fund.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I get the feeling someone is on the market that we don’t know about, and the Rangers are players. We’ll see, I guess, I just don’t think the Rangers are getting Nash. Maybe someone from Dallas, Montreal, one of the fringe teams that could make the playoffs but is still choosing to offer away one of their better players.
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look what I’ve done lmao
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lmao!
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well I guarantee Sather is in talks with way more teams than just Columbus
and if that’s the asking price for Nash, if a deal is made, it will prob be including some under-the-radar guys…Dustin Byufglin (sp?) anyone?
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I heard on the broadcast that last night that Kreider is 6’2", 210 lbs. and recorded faster skating times than Carl Hagelin… That is a scary thought for other teams.
I thought he’s 6’3 220
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hells no.
Perry’s season last year was an outlier.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
he has 27 goals this year I don’t think it is
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 4:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He’s right in line with his other seasons besides last one. His goal scoring is up a bit, but he’s on pace for 70 pts again.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I mean he’s not gonna get 50 but he still has a chance at 40 which is pretty good…and I’m not saying u would make that trade or not
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Agree I like him more than Nash.
For Dubi + Kreider + Step + 1st, I’d want a guy like Giroux, in all honesty. It’s two 25 and under established NHL players + a high level prospect + a first rounder. That is a really, really expensive price for anyone.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
That’s way more than some of the biggest recent trades I can remember for any 1 player.
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope Nash goes to L.A
so the trade talk for Nash stops
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btw on Stanley cup of chowder someone said we look scarey good and we didn’t even play well…that makes me pretty proud of the team
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May I just add a wtf to Jeremy Roenick??
He claims that the Blackhawks could afford to trade Patrick Kane.
Please, someone find me what he’s smoking! I don’t smoke, but I want some. That must be the highest of highs.
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Stickiest of the icky.
Kane to the Kings for Bernier and someone else that equals out the cap (e5)
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Penner
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Who is than obviously flipped to Toronto, along with Carter, for Schenn, Kadri, and Bozak.
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JR is a JO
NEVER listen to JR. I hated that guy as a player and I hate him more now. No way the Hawks trade Kane. All of this talk of trading these huge offesnive players is borderline ridiculous. NOT A CHANCE either Columbus or Chicago would EVER get anything close to the value they would need to get for those players at the deadline. Those kinds of deals are off season deals when you have cap space to play with and can get the other 29 teams into the mix.
Well, don’t sleep on the trade spec. They really need a goalie, and apparently after asking my aunt (I’ve mentioned her before and why), it shouldn’t be overlooked. Remember that like Toronto, Ottawa, and Nashville, Chicago (first under Tallon and then Bowman) have stockpiled prospects. They have players, picks, and cap room ($5 plus million) to throw out there, to get a goalie (Miller, Ward or Khabibulan).
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anyone else see this thread had 401 comments and think “oh shit, was there an early afternoon game today?”… personally, I can’t wait for the deadline to be over so we can get back to normal.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions
scratch that, for atleast a week or two we’ll be talking about how we screwed up/didn’t screw up… so I can’t wait for after that
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 15, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Rangers want Nash? Bull
Sather is out of his mind to even think about messing with this team – leave well enough alone – he’s got a young, talented cohesive team and for him to even put some doubt about this team staying together is crazy. Giving up young talent that will fullfill the Rangers needs for years to come is nuts – didn’t Neil Smith ruin the franchise for years with his quest for free agents?? I say bullsh_t on this idea.
I'll trust the Pope on trades
I have no doubt they won’t send away all these young players for Nash (tho since when is 27 not young?).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It's young
but its more “prime” than young. Meaning his ceiling isn’t going any higher, its more or less staying where it is.
Nash submitted a list of teams he’s willing to go to. I’m sure he wants to go to a contender so that leaves about 5 teams in the East. And I bet you anything, if the Bruins are on the list, and they are willing to part with one of their goalies, they stand the best chance.
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 15, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions
Which one will the B's part with though?
Tim Thomas has a full NMC through July 1 of this year, and I don’t see him waving it.That means the the B’s would have to part with Rask, who’ve they’ve holding onto, knowing Thomas can’t have much more in the tank. The only way Columbus gets a goalie out of Boston before the offseason is if Thomas lets his politics get the best of him, and he can’t fight the urge to wear those star and bar uni’s.
I can hear Scott Howson on the phone with Peter Chiarelli now …“Peter, before you ask him waive him NMC let him know there’s a CANNON on our 3rd jersey’s”
by BuckarooClub on Feb 15, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Groundhog Day
This whole Nash thread and the others reminds me of the Bill Murray movie Groundhog Day…same shyte over and over again. Love to have Nash, price is too high, can’t discount team chemistry- its a large part of the reason why we are where we are. If They dont trade Nash and wait til the offseason, then lets go get him and lure him in with the Stanley Cup. ’Nuf said.
by BeukeBOOM! on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want Nash. I think the Rangers do need more offensives pop. And I would gladly dump Dubi to do it. But I refuse to accept a trade that hurts the future of this team. Kreider seems to have real solid talent and the capability of being a top player in the NHL. If the price can be made reasonable then go for it. I would much rather have a chance at winning several cups over next few years than 1 every 18. Some people are so desperate for a cup that they feel its necessary to sell the farm just to get one. This team has been building for years now and look at us. We can keep doing that and continue to be a dominant power house in the east. Build with youth, plug in free agents or good trades. I know Dubi is having a bad year and that’s not the reason I say trade him. I’ve been saying for three years now if the right trade came along where NY benefits from it then trade him. You can find a similar player like him if not better. Plus NYR is gonna have some money in the offseason and have a chance to land top goal scorer like Parise. If Nash gets to NY whoopy! If not than so be it. I’ll still love and worship this team.
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Read the first 150 comments or so, why is it that all of a sudden it’s Nash or nothing. We can improve the team without going for the biggest fish…
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
One of the most telling comments I've seen
comes from the discussion thread in the article over at SI.
http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2012/02/14/rick-nash-may-be-biggest-deadline-deal/?sct=nhl_t2_a11
He needs to be on a team of veterans who won’t put up with his soft style of play. If a team can get this guy to play in the defensive zone and play hard every shift, he could be a fantastic addition to several teams. No pun intended but he skated his way along in Columbus because no one other than Hitchcock really tried to make Nash a complete player. You know where that got Hitch, booted right out the door despite taking the team to the playoffs for the first time. Columbus needs to trade him and get rid of the lax attitude he brings to the franchise.
Let’s see – he didn’t deal well with Hitchcock (not that that’s a big surprise – neither did Zherdev…..hmmmmmm). Hitch has a mentality/system not all that different from Tortorella. Hmmmmmm.
Everybody looks at that beautiful woman at the end of the bar after a couple of drinks and thinks she’s Miss America. The next morning she turns out to be Ms. Iowa of 1963.
Another very valid point is that if CLB wants anything in a trade – it’s a highly rated goaltending prospect. Mason is turning out to be a huge bust, and they’ve got nothin’ behind him on the depth chart. And the NYR have no gems that are ready to step into NHL 1st line goalie either.
I don’t want him regardless of the cost. The cost simply makes it a no-brainer. And the other aspects of what CLB realistically NEED to get in return makes it a non-starter.
Glen Sather is linked to EVERY available big name EVERY year at this time – all the time for that matter. Rarely is it true. Sure hope this is one of the times.
Interesting what happened with Hitchcock. It’s blatantly obvious the front office of that team is a total joke. On of their writers put together a piece on all of their draft picks (arguably top 10, some top-5 players) and it’s amazing how few of them have really amounted to anything. Nash, Brassard….then there’s a monumental drop-off.
Whole idea gets worse the more I think about it.
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by joereiter on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pic, not pick
oh pacific time zone…..
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Another very valid point is that if CLB wants anything in a trade – it’s a highly rated goaltending prospect.
I think this is the funniest part to me.
Goaltending is essentially voodoo when it comes to projecting them out. Heck, Mason set the world on fire his rookie year, and he’s pretty clearly a below average goalie. For every Luongo, or Broduer that was picked in the 1st round, there’s a DiPietro or Montoya out there. Several of the elite goalies in the league, Thomas, Lundqvist, and Rinne are all late round/undrafted diamonds in the rough.
Columbus could turn their goaltending around dramatically by signing almost literally anyone on the market this summer. Chris Mason, Scott Clemmensen, Martin Biron, it almost doesn’t matter.
Sure, if CBJ has an opportunity to get a slightly surer thing like a Bernier out of the deal, they should do it, but making a goalie a centerpiece in their trade proposals, short of a guy with a lengthy track record of success, is a misguided use of his asset.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Great point. Though is that coming from the team, or just fans who are hoping to get lucky? Hell they seem to think Carter is all of a sudden worth a top goal-tending prospect and a top-4 defensemen.
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Hard to really tell, but I’d have to think Howson recognizes Mason is near single-handedly killing his job security. I mean, the 18 skaters in front of Mason haven’t actually been THAT bad, especially considering the division they are in.
You can not win getting sub .900 goaltending though, no matter how good your forwards are.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 15, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Been hearing...recently
Only rangers really in race for him and I heard its now just Dubi and a few prospects…..hm
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 15, 2012 10:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
source?
@joereiter
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Brother’s girlfriend’s father has a drinking buddy that knows the bartender who once banged a chick who interned for Columbus.
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
not your best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night?
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Lol give me a sec damn I’m working on it haha !
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2012/02/15/buzz-the-likelihood-of-rick-nash-coming-to-the-rangers/
Forget it I think I may of misinterpreted it
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
aaron ward is an idiot
nash is not going to boston
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oh and speaking of oils autocorrects
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lmao!!!!
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All this trade talk
makes me very nervous…
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Just heard something on Boomer & Carton on MSG
Kreider, as much as “some” are saying he’s just another prospect until he plays.. The kid is 20 (21 in April)..Close your eyes and picture this please: he is 6’3, 225 lbs, and would be hands down the fastest skater on. this. team. (he would blow by Hagelin.) I believe there are some borderline prospects, and ones who are all but fucking destined to be stars in the NHL. Rick Nash is NOT worth it.
you hear that
It’s music to my ears.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
DAMNIT
I said close your eyes not open your ears! haha
Glad you agree though, makes me seem less crazy :)
When you close your eyes.....
….picture Carl Hagelin. Then add 4" to get him to 6 foot 3. And add about 40 pounds of muscle to a larger frame.
Got that?
Now – picture this mythical player in motion – side by side with the real Hagelin. Bigger. Stronger. And hard to believe it – Faster.
Screw Rick Nash if Kreider is part of any deal.
putting Kreider on BR's wing
could be the NY’s version of the BR / Loui Erikson combination and set up our #2 line for a long time to come.
im scared of buying an anisimov jersey
because i know as soon as i do that they are going to trade him.
hahaha
I had that problem with Zuccarello, thats why I didn’t buy it. I bought a shirt that says true blue and has a silhoutte of AA doing the shot heard round the ice rink haha
Sorry
Trade Dubi not Kreider I’m sorry but this team is on the brink of greatness and another top scorer will put them there weather it be Nash or Ryan. I’d prefer Ryan but either one could send this team into the stratosphere.
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions
or Nash could go on to only score 25 goals for the rest if his career and this trade completly ruins us
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 1:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
yes I have realised that your impatient…but trading for Nash doesn’t guarantee anything…
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 1:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly, so I rather have a longer periods where the cup is a possibility.
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it is not a question of being impatient, but being strategic. that said, we can’t be stupid and mortgage the next 15 years. but if we can keep this core intact and bring Nash into the mix, we are in a much stronger position than we are now.
but if we can keep this core intact and bring Nash into the mix, we are in a much stronger position than we are now.
I don’t think you can bring in Nash and do that. They can bring in Carter (or another $5ish million player), but they really can’t add a $7.8m contract, on top of Gaborik/Lundqvist/Richards, and have the depth needed for success these days.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
^^^^THIS^^^^
above and beyond all the other reasons not to do this, which are subjective – this one is objective numbers based.
Thanks
Figuring out cap hits in 2013-14 is a bit subjective. But trying to be objective:
If we swap Dubinsky for Nash, we would know we’d have 10 players (big 4, plus Callahan, Staal, Girardi, Boyle, Rupp, Erixon), signed at $45.3m, leaving $19m to sign 11-13 players. Maybe more depending on where the cap ceiling is by then.
But that doesn’t include Stepan, McDonagh, Del Zotto, Anisimov, or Hagelin. There’s a bunch of money tied up there, so the bottom of the roster would be a bunch of $1m or less players. Doable, but again you need to take advantage of some ELCs again (like we’re doing this year with Stepan, Hagelin and McDonagh)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
+101839742
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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Losing Dubi would Ruin us? Dubi’s best season has been 24 goals as apposed to Nash’s worst year being 17 in his rookie year. all the rest he has scored in the 30’s and even the 40’s. Ill take the chance
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Feb 16, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
okay obviously losing dubi wouldn’t ruin us….having an 8 mil cap hit for one player would…especially when you have big contracts for hank brad and gabby….we have a lot if rfa that we need to resign in the next two years and need cap space to do so…trading for Nash inhibits us from doing so and we will wind up losing a player like stepan/mcdonagh on top of trading away dubi Kreider and a first round draft pick
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
ok thats fair, i def do not wanna see Step go or McD bc bada ba ba ba I’m lovin him. ok that was over the line and I’m retiring for the night.
by The Richards-Gaborik Connection on Feb 16, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
To hell with Nash
Sather should see if can work out a better deal for Bobby Ryan. If not or even if we do, we could get either Ryan Smyth or Ray Whitney for virtually nothing
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 16, 2012 2:26 AM EST reply actions
I literally cannot be apart of Rick Nash rumor threads
Seeing some of the HORRID ideas on here that will literally cripple our team in a few years just makes me so mad.
I literally do not like Rick Nash because of this now.
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Haha, I used to like him a lot but that was only as a player. Not somebody who would drain our resources and cripple us cap wise.
There is no deal that is remotely feasible to actually land him that I would like. And even if we were able to steal him I still cant get over that contract and cap hit.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Like there is absolutely no way to compensate for that cap hit. The reason getting Nash is horrible is because of not what he does or doesn’t bring to our team, but how in a few years he will lock us in salary cap hell.
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But it is torture. I would love to see him in Rangers sweater.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions
Pass
I say pass on Nash. The price is way too high for a 60-70 point guy. I think Nash is HIGHLY overrated. Good yes, great “superstar” , not so much. His cap hit alone is way too high, never mind the cost of return that is rumored to go along with him. I don’t see Nash going from a 60-70 point guy to a 80-100 point guy in this system/ style of play. He is paid like a Stamkos, Malkin, Sedin, and is nowhere near that kind of player. I would rather see a rental brought in at the deadline and keep our assets.
We'd end up with a soft team.
The cap is going to kill us in the coming years if we did this…just imagine.
1. Dubinsky – heart and soul, shot blocking, hitting, scoring(most years), grinding, fighter…gone.
Cool with that fine.
2. Kreider – beast that eventually scores 60 points in the NHL consistently…gone.
Fine with that…cool.
3. Stepan or McD… Both having breakout years IMO, gone.
Still happy?
Okay.
4. First round pick gone…turns out to be another Mdz, staal, or even less so an AA. Okay let’s say you still have mental problems and like this move.
5. Nash comes in and we can’t sign Prust, Hags, or MDZ. Okay so the 2013 rangers look like…the 2012 Anaheim Ducks…someone ask a Duck fan if it’s a good idea because I think it’s terrible. Btw, Good post as usual Joe.
Team identity
Prust, Cally, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi, McD, Stepan. Count the points, hits and blocked shots and thats what we risk losing.
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