NHL Trade Rumors: Do You Make A Move For Rick Nash?
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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PrintAs Rick Nash trade rumors continue to barrel forward at break-neck speed, Glen Sather has a decision to make. It's possible the decision might be made for him, though. As more and more information becomes available about what the Columbus Blue Jackets are seeking in return, it's become clear that general manager Scott Howson wants a goaltender in return.
The New York Rangers aren't exactly bursting at the seams with NHL-ready goaltenders (at least none Sather would be willing to move). If that happens to be a must when it comes to Howson trading Nash, then the Rangers are, in all likelihood, out of the bidding.
General managers do change their trade demands often however, and the Rangers have quite a bit to offer in their farm system if that happens to be the case. The real question, though, is do you risk making a big trade for Nash?
Join me after the jump for more.
I have touched briefly this week on why I don't believe the Rangers should trade Chris Kreider for Nash. I truly feel as though Kreider is a can't-miss prospect, and you don't move a prospect like him for a guy like Nash, who is 27-years-old and has a huge $7.8 million cap hit. If I'm goin to trade Kreider it would need to be for a player like Bobby Ryan, who is younger and has the same skill-set.
The Rangers need to be careful with a move that would bring in Nash. If Howson pulls the trigger on a deal, and the Rangers don't move Derek Stepan or Ryan McDonagh, it's going to cost picks and prospects. Good ones as well.
That changes the nature of the game, it changes it quite a bit. Are you willing to trade two or three solid to great prospects for Rick Nash? Are you willing to part with names like Kreider, Christian Thomas, Dylan McIlrath Michael St. Croix or even J.T. Miller?
Esentially, the question becomes: Are you willing to morage the future for Nash right now? Which leads to another question: Do the Rangers need Nash to become Stanley Cup contenders, or are they contenders right now?
It's not an easy answer.
Personally? I don't move Kreider for Nash. If that's a sticking point, then so be it. I believe this team is good enough to contend for the cup as is. They can use a little help, sure, but they don't need to blow everything up. Another plus of not making a huge move for Nash? The Rangers can keep their pipelines full of gold, which will help the team be competative int he future as well.
To me, it's not work unloading for Nash. But what do you think?
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I'm sorry, but....
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by Caerid11 on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
This is just going to turn into another argument between those looking at the long-term cap implications and going “No way Jose!” and those looking at Rick Nash and saying “OMFG SHINY OBJECT MUST HAVE!”
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by Caerid11 on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but it’s preccccioouusss ….
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 16, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's going to be like this till the deadline most likely
until Nash is traded somewhere, or the deadline passes, he will be linked to the Rangers.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 16, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
So basically, Rick Nash = Sheldon Souray.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Oh goody.
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At least it gins up conversation on the site. Be nice if we heard more about other possibilities, but it seems like guys keep finding ways off the trading-block (signing deals, getting hurt, or their teams making playoff runs).
This might just be the most boring trading season in history (and last year kinda sucked too).
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Nash is the only thing making it less borning
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Although it makes it more annoying
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
This takes me back to the “Sign Kovy” days. Beaten to death and never happened….Thank god! IMO Nash does not move until draft day if at all. Columbus would be foolish to let 5-6 teams bid on him when in the off season 20 teams will be bidding for him. The return would be much better when you have the bottom feeders involved in the mix. On the other hand, I think Carter will be dealt before the deadline.
Nash has a full NTC which means he’s not going to a “bottom-feeder” as you so delicately put it. IMO the price right now will probably be the highest because there’s some playoff teams who desperately need scoring.
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I didn’t necessarily mean bottom feeders. Islanders , Jets, Bolts, Canes, Flames, Avs all have the pieces + higher draft picks to get the deal done. Then insert NYR, Devils (if Parise walks) , Flyers,Kings, Bruins,Panthers, Caps( WHEN Semin walks), Leafs, Pens(depending on Crosbys career status) . and you will have much more open options out there.
Why be sorry?
The truth’s the truth and doesn’t need to be apologized for.
We all’ve had this conversation re Nash umpteen times now. The lines have been drawn, everyone’s opinion — whichever it may be — has been cast in stone. I see no point in discussing the pros and cons of a prospective Nash deal anytime soon.
Thanks!
Who is Rick Nash?
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Ill take Hockey Players for 7.8 million, Alec.
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s STEVE Nash. He is pretty good. He has averaged 14.6 ppg career With Dallas and Phoenix. He would without a doubt help our PP with those #’s
Really? Speech impediments are off limits?
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More like accent but could go either way
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If it is racially motivated, I would think. Put it this way, would you be uncomfortable typing that directly to an Asian person, or better yet, speaking Ebonics directly to a group of black guys? If the answer is yes, then it is probably inappropriate even under the guise of internet anonymity.
well
my GF is of chinese descent, and she calls him jewemy rin oh purpose.
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Gotcha. Well certainly I am not able to say what comments will affect what people. Just giving a heads up, with the dozens of warnings handed out for “gay” or “retarded” comments lately, this could be seen as offensive.
agreed
i think she can because, you know, she’s allowed, that kind of thing.
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Yea can we just forget Nash already? 500+ comments yesterday I figured was enough
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
4 reason to say no!
1. Not worth giving up prospects who could be better than him.
2. The team is doing fine the way it is, and anytime we bring someone in during the actual season they seem to suck ass. Plus Nash would die in a big market like here.
3. His cap hit is atrocious. He has a 7.8 mil cap hit for the next 6 years that would end up killing this team. And there is NOTHING saying he would win us a cup
4. If anyone says he could be a better player here should be shot. You need to have chemistry with the other players for you to get better.
Finally, FORGET ABOUT RICH NASH!!
I could get more love from a Cactus then you..........
Yea screw RICH NASH.
Now RICK NASH on the other hand is awesome…..
Lmao.
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, Yes I'll bite.
Yes you make the move IF you dont have to trade Stepan or Mcdonogh. And no i dont want to debate it anymore. I think we have all said our piece on this but…………..
I ONLY WANT NASH IF HE OILS LIKES GETTING A HIMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously is Anybody else getting traded
Or is the whole deadline rick frickin Nash
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Rick
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by Brandon C. on Feb 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
As usual, your contributions just put everything else to shame.
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Very good point, you’ve changed my outlook ;)
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rick Nash is the type of player that can really help this team but at that price no way
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by Brandon C. on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
it is a long time ago i logged in to bsb. sorry.
but i must add something to this “endless” conversation:
rick nash is one of my favorite hockey players (who have not retired yet), but i don’t want the rangers to trade for him, exept we can get him without sacrifying an important roster player (dubi is here included, even boyle) or a top prospect (this meens for me basically kreider and erixon).
but i don’t think that the jackets will give him up for secondary talent and ww and even if they would do, we don’t have the cap space to do that.
i think this was debatted yesterday for some time (i have read all the comments, quiet funny). the main argument to trade for nash was that we could go for the cup this year and that our team would improve short term, if we get nash for dubinsky+ kreider+ 1st. i don’t think nash is an upgrade over dubinsky. dubi plays very well for some time now and has a very important role right now with boyle and prust in shutting down the oppenent first scoring line.
On behalf of everyone if Howson takes nothing less than Stepan/McDonagh, Kreider, Dubinsky and a 1st rounder the answer is HELL NO.
I did some quick math on a potential Carter vs. Nash trade.
If Carter was acquired without moving Dubinsky or anyone else on the roster we would be fine next year. The problem would be the following offseason. With Carter we would have about 10-11 million in cap space this offseason and after guys re-sign we would be somewhere around 2-3 million. Drury’s remaining buyout is a wash if Kreider is up. So we need to rely on that to re-sign Stepan, McDonagh, Sauer, Hagelin, and Anisimov.
IF the trade requires Dubinsky, Kreider and a 1st. I think Sather has to pull the trigger. This offseason after we re-sign everyone we’re at 5-6 million. Now that Kreider is gone add the remainder of Drury’s buyout that comes off the books. That’s about 6-7 million.
I think Sauer might be expendable by then because I would think Erixon and/or McIlrath would get strong consideration of making the big club.
Like i said I do not want any part of a trade if it involves Stepan/McDonagh, but if it’s just Kreider, Dubinsky, and a 1st I think it could work.
Correct me if I’m wrong with all the numbers.
i wouldn’t trade dubi and a first rounder for him right now
dubis value on the team is very underestimated here
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Sho-ryu-ken!!
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Whoopsie!
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Finish Him!
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by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Friendship!
Friendship…again?
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 16, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think trading McD for anything at this point would cause me to cry. As important as Girardi, Hank, and Gabby have been, McD is right up there with them. This will be his first full season in the NHL, and he could easily become this team’s best D-man for the next 10 years.
I don’t think you trade Stepan either. Kid has a well-rounded game, a great attitude, and great vision. Plus, both of these guys are cost-controlled for a number of years.
This team could use more scoring, but if you properly weigh things out, getting Nash with that contract could quite easily lower this team’s scoring in the future because of how it limits the cap-flexibility with the other large contracts. Sure, he could score 35 goals, but we probably lose 3-4 guys who can score a combined 50-60 goals, if not more, for the same price. Not to mention a measurable negative impact on the team’s defensive play.
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I would say that there is plenty of defense on this team and scoring goals in important spots is more important than defense. Obviously theres no guarentee he will score big goals but i think its owrth the chance IF Step or McD are not involved in the deal.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
In the same place where he actually lives up to the value of his contract by scoring 40+ goals and 90+ points.
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He's a minus player
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
But that has as much to do with the team around him than it does with him to be fair.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Not even the team, one man. Steve Mason. He’s cost them a good 10 points in the standings by himself, if not more.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Mason’s GAA in his non-rookie years wouldn’t even be that good for his birth year (1988) let alone an era where .910 sv % and 2.40 GAA are replacement level
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
What happened to “plus/minus” being a flawed stat, George?
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by Danz10 on Feb 16, 2012 10:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t even want to justify this with a response given at least 5 people have mentioned ‘sarcasm’ already.
But I can’t help it. What happened is I was not being serious.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
George, it’s actually funnier and makes you feel better to double-down on the sarcasm when people don’t get the original sarcasm.
Trust me.
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here's my definitive take on this
In 94 Neil Smith traded away Mike Gartner and Tony Amonte to win one Cup and have an older team who couldn’t find that success again.
If the Rangers trade for Nash it can not be just for this season. This guy is not a rental player and will be with this team for however long his contract is. That being said, if the Rangers can make a steal for Nash while keeping Kreider, that sets them up for a top six of:
Artie-Step-Gaby
Kreider-Richards-Nash
That could be one of the deadliest top 6 forwards the Rangers have ever had and gives the team a clear chance at the Cup for the next four or five years. I just don’t see it happening and at this point I really don’t think it needs to
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by Kevin Power on Feb 16, 2012 9:47 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
actually we don’t need to trade for nash to have one of the best top six forwards in the years to come.
GAS and Kreider- BR- Cally
Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tags.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t use sarcasm tags. If folks can’t figure it out, that’s their damn problem.
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granted
But it puts Cally on the third line and adds even more offensive depth
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by Kevin Power on Feb 16, 2012 10:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
No it doesn’t. Nash is a natural left wing, and Hagelin would get dropped to the third line.
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by Danz10 on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, there goes Cally’s production..
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Kevin...Kevin
Unlike the players gotten in ‘94, Nash won’t be thirty-plus and on the downside of his career next season. A deal for him also is getting Parise, for a million bucks less than at the same contract length. So, it’s really win-win.
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Wait what? Are you suggesting the Rangers can get Parise and Nash together?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s going to be like Kariya and Selanne taking low-ball deals because they thought they could win it all with Colorado.
Who are you to piss on his fantasy?
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Why not just have 11 signed for 65?
Fuck the rest of the team, I got my goalie, 4 defensemen, and 6 forwards.
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George...fingers off the keyboard...NOW!
I’m not suggesting anything of the sort! Getting Nash for the remaining six years on his contract, is the same as getting Parise at 7 or 8 years in this case. The cap hit will be similar if not greater with Parise, who will want right around $8.5 million.
That does not suggest or state that the Rangers can get both players.
Focus. The sarcasm has stunned you.
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Except Parise doesn’t cost other assets.
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If Parise wants $8.5m, I hope the Devils re-sign him.
At some point, there will a GM that wises up and stops paying UFAs crazy sums of money. The team of that GM will be crazy successful.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
where’s the logic behind that? of course parise will cost other assets…. you can’t except to keep him along with everyone else and have the prospects come up.
his cap hit will be at least 6.5 million explain how that’ll work?
Follow me here for a second. If we sign Parise, instead of trading for Nash, the assets that we would have used to trade for Nash (Dubi, Kreider, 1st, 2nd) can be used for other purposes.
Regardless, if George is right and Parise wants 8.5 mil, I wont go without 40 feet of that. That’s Malkin/Crosby money, and Parise is NOT on there level.
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The issue I have, from the beginning, has nothing to do with Nash the player and everything to do with Nash the contract. If Parise signs the same exact contract, I want no part of him either, regardless of what it cost to get him.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It’s ridiculous money for 1 guy, though that guy pretty much precludes them from resigning Gaborik (unless Glen cuts a couple of the RFAs loose).
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See below. And what’s stopping them from moving Dubi + picks/prospects for a player making a similar amount and producing more. That’s what I’m about.
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I wouldnt take him for free
I dont want to be saddled with his bloated contract for 6 more years. This guy has been playing in Columbus his entire career (they have a hockey team?). Who knows if he could even handle NYC? It’s also quite apparent he has a reputation for being soft and lazy defensively. I just dont see a fit here, other than that the Rangers need scoring and he scored 40 goals once.
hahahaha a 40 goal scorer yeah. a 90 point guy probably not… although i didn’t make those claims. why waste your time even looking at his plus minus have you seen that team since he’s been drafted? one hockey player elite or not cannot carry an entire team on his back this isn’t basketball he’s not a miracle worker.
You guys don’t make any sense…. if you’re willing to take Carter without giving anyone up leading to harsher cap room issues but you won’t take Nash with less years and less restrictions.
I love Dubinsky to death but I’m sorry if he’s playing 3rd line minutes, kill penalties and continues to be that guy for the remainder of his contract he doesn’t deserve 4.25 million.
why waste your time even looking at his plus minus have you seen that team since he’s been drafted?
sarcasm font sir. sarcasm.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said, even with the font, they don’t get it.
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I blame Steve Mason for Nash's bad plus/minus.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Both have their warts.
Nash has a NMC and worse cap hit. The difference between Nash and Carter’s contract more than covers the raise to MDZ who’s the only RFA this year and the differential combined with Drury’s buyout hit going away the next year will probably cover a good portion of the 2012-13 RFA class.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Eventually somebody becomes a cap casaulty, but you get to have similar production to Nash and keep a few more players.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
The guy is on the way down.
Not that he isn’t good right now but how Drurys Gomezs Reddens Kotaliks Fluerys do we need? How many times can you make the same mistake?
The only way this makes sense is if we think we can get more for him next year at the trade deadline.
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on the way down?
Nash is 27, has 30+ goal talent with no support at all…how is he on his way down?
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by Kevin Power on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Did you see the list George posted yesterday? The expectation that he can continue to produce at 30+ G and 70 pts (which is a good year for him anyway) is very small.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
And he gets paid like a 100 point per year guy. I have beaten this horse too, but he is not going from a 60-70 point guy to a 80-100 point guy in this system.
Gabby’s a pretty darn good example himself, but he’s at least on pace to go 2/3 on earning his money (at least by goals & points, which is actually a pretty terrible measure, but that’s what I suspect most GMs/agents are using)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
So the solution would be to have two players that don’t justify $7M+ cap hits?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
But what makes you think Nash will become something he’s never really been in his career as he approaches his 10th season in the league?
I think there’s been plenty of posts that disprove the notion that he’ll be a better player simply by going to a better team. He kinda is what he is by now. A 30+ goal, 65 point guy that in good years can maybe be a 40 G, 75 pt guy. But to expect him to consistently outperform his career averages as he gets older is only setting up for disappointment.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
The realistic point I’m trying to make is look at the level of talent in Columbus vs New York. I believe his goals will stay in the 30-40 range while his assists may go up. This guy has great hands and vision his problem is he has to shoot 9 times out of 10 because he has little to no support.
I don’t understand how your point is realistic and ours is a non factor or fortune teller version. He is what he is imo. And that is a player that is well overpaid for his production. And he will be playing with other aging players that are paid over their production level as well. We can’t expect to win or be competitive in years to come with 4 players locking up 30 million in cap space.
This same topic was beaten to death yesterday as well. Moshe and George both had numerous stats saying that star player production does not dramatically change going from a ‘bad’ team to a stacked or talented team.
Case in point, Gaborik with the Wild, Kovalchuk with the Thrashers. Gaborik has played with Rich/Step/Cally/Dubi/AA, and Kovalchuk has had Parise, yet both of those players have not seen any significant (if any at all) jump in production.
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Not to mention the Rangers play a defense-first safety system that really doesn’t encourage gaudy statistical production.
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He’s had some bad puck luck this year. He’s shooting as much as ever but his shooting % is down. So I’ll fully concede he’s having an off year.
But the history of the league, even the elite players, suggests that guys don’t get better as they near and surpass 30, especially if they’ve played 10, 11, 12 years by that point. Doesn’t matter if they’re on good teams, moved from a bad team to a good team. The age and productivity curves rarely allow it.
Gaborik and Kovalchuk went to environments where they were supposed to thrive because they were either in more offensive systems or played with better teams, and neither have seen dramatic jumps in their productivity. Gaborik’s personal high season his first year in NY is more related to him staying healthy than anything else. And on a per game or per 82 game basis, Gaborik and Kovalchuk are better snipers than Nash.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ok so Caerid11basically said the same thing above
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Enough with the no talent argument Kevin.
It really holds no weight. Great players do not put up more points when they move from bad teams to good teams.
He’s reached his max talent, and it’s not worth his contract. God help us when his productivity goes down.
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only 7 players have managed to break the 30 goal barrier 4 times; Patrick Marleau, Zach Parise, Henrik Zetterberg, Eric Staal, Sidney Crosby, Marian Gaborik and Rick Nash.
You missed a few: Iginla, St. Louis, Vanek, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Kessel, and Heatley.
What’s relevant here though: Only Iginla and St. Louis had all 4 after age 28.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think an even more intriguing factor is how many of the above named players have won cups?
Marleau 0 0
Parise
Zetterburg-1
Staal-0
Crosby-1
Gaborik-0
Nash-0
Kessel-0
Kovy-0
St. Louis-1
Vanek-0
Ovechkin-0
Malikin-1
Heatley-0
Inigila-0
It’s ok, the NHL tried to forget about that one too.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Only Kessel and Malkin have hit 30 this year, they’re the only new additions.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but being able to post multiple 30 goal seasons repeatedly is a young man’s thing. And yes, by this standard, Nash is no longer considered young.
Heck, look at Ovechkin. His days of being a 50 goal guy are seemingly gone, and at the rate he’s going, it won’t be long before his contract is even worse than Nash’s (it’s close already)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I was saying as recently as two years ago that if you’re ever going to throw one of the mega deals to anyone in the league it would be Ovi. Factoring in that his current cap hit would be discounted at the tail end by a higher cap ceiling.
But I didn’t expect his production to plummet this quickly.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
It’s hard to keep up the break-neck level of play he came into the league with. I fear his body will break down quickly like Forsberg and just never be the same player.
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ok so my question to you guys would be....
would you trade dubinsky, kreider and a 1st for ryan?
Oh please, let’s not do this again.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan’s not on the table, and Anaheim would laugh at that deal.
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i asked a question not whether or not he’s available. i can see that anaheim is still alive. i asked that because he would fit under the repeated 30 goal scorers that are young.
I think the 1st-rounder is a discard at this point (ie not worth THAT much value). Not sure about that one, since I like Dubinsky’s play outside of his lack of goal-scoring (shoot the puck Dubi!).
I probably might, if that offer was actually available (they still laugh at it). Ryan’s a proven commodity at this point, and you can replace Dubinsky’s defensive value with a much cheaper player.
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On the topic of 30 goal scorers
The last BC grad to score 30 goals in the NHL was …..
And that happened in 2005-2006.
If Kreider becomes a consistent 30 goal scorer, he will be the most successful BC Hockey alumni since this guy left Chestnut Hill in the Spring of 1987.
There have been TONS of guys who have had as much, or more success than Chris Kreider has had in a BC uniform over the years, but that hasn’t done much to translate into success in the NHL
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
point being?
Kreider is the best prospect the Rangers have had in years. He’s going to be a force at 6’3 220 with speed and hands. Thats not a player you trade away
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Point Being...
Being a star at BC is like being an option QB in college football. You’ll pump out huge results in the shallow NCAA pool, but it’s not enough make you an impact player in the NHL. Check the numbers of the other “also rans” BC has pumped out. They have great season in Jerry York’s system, when they’re 2 years older then alot of the kids they’re playing, but become average NHL talent, at best.
Here’s your list of current BC Eagles in the NHL
Andrew Alberts, D: Vancouver Canucks
Cam Atkinson, F: Columbus Blue Jackets
Brian Boyle, C: New York Rangers
Scott Clemmensen, G: Florida Panthers
Patrick Eaves, F: Detroit Red Wings
Benn Ferriero, C: San Jose Sharks
Nathan Gerbe, F: Buffalo Sabres
Brian Gionta, F: Montreal Canadiens
Peter Harrold, D: New Jersey Devils
Chuck Kobasew, F: Colorado Avalanche
Ben Lovejoy, F: Pittsburgh Penguins
Mike Mottau, D: New York Islanders
Ryan Murphy, F: Carolina Hurricanes
Brooks Orpik, D: Pittsburgh Penguins
Marty Reasoner, F: New York Islanders
Cory Schneider, G: Vancouver Canucks
Rob Scuderi, D: Los Angeles Kings
Ryan Shannon, F: Tampa Bay Lightning
Ben Smith, F: Chicago Blackhawks
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Man, talk about cherry picking to make you point…
Brian Leetch
Joe Mullen
Bill Guerin
Kevin Stevens
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He seems to “forget” things when they don’t fit into their plans.
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As I said above. I didn’t “forget” anything, the list I posted was ACTIVE NHL players.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
The list I posted was of ACTIVE NHL players
Your list doesn’t have a player on it who was drafted in the last 25 years. I wasn’t cherry picking by any means, just pointing out how success at BC has failed to translate into much elite NHL talent since the end of the Reagan Administration.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
But what does that prove?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
There is zero gauarntee of that. in fact its mkore likely he will not approach nashs career numbers to date.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
And have you watched international competitions, or are you going to ignore that because you don’t agree with it.
Nothing that you are saying has any substance, and the pictures are just annoying to add on to it.
We have great discussions sometimes, but not you are trolling.
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I watched Kreider at the worlds he played very well. That has ZERO to do with the NHL though. Its a smal barometer. He is not physical at all. You have no idea how he will react to physical NHL play. There are so many unknown factors. I find the pictures a bit annoying too but I agree with his point.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
other people have said this… if kreider is projected to be nash why not take the proven one? if we can manage the cap room for the next few years i think we’re better off. there are so many unknowns over the next 3-4 years as far as gaborik’s production/injury status, richards production, sauer’s health given his track record, hank’s level of performance.. the list goes on.
I agree with the projections aspect of what you are saying, but it is the cost of Nash where the argument goes to shit.
I stated earlier anything involving stepan, mcdonagh, or del zotto the answer is hell no. My argument was based a trade that would only involve dubinsky, kreider and a first.
if kreider is projected to be nash why not take the proven one?
Because the proven one, like it or not, is approaching the downside of his career. Those ‘peak’ years of 40/80 seasons out of Nash are quite likely gone, or very unlikely.
If Kreider could be Nash (and I think it’s unfair to put that hype on him), then you’d like to take advantage of those monster years. It’s a different argument than trading for, say, Bobby Ryan, who is still in his RFA years, where most players reach the top of their greatness, and are thus most valuable vis a vis cap hit.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
So 30-35 and 30 isnt enough? IK agree its not enough in relation to the contract but that 30-35 makes us a seriouys cup contender for 2-4 years at which time Nash is 31. I think its a reasonable trade off.
I also agree Ryan is a MUCH better fit and would prefer him but I dont think hes realistic. IMO if its RYan then you make the deal in a heartbeat and theres no discussion to be had.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I don’t think he consistently even hits 30, especially on the back end of the deal.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not goals, but relevant also:
Neil Greenberg @ngreenberg
Last tweet on Nash: In NHL history, one winger has 70+ pts (which I think reasonable for $7.8mil/yr) each season from ages 28-33: Gordie Howe.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because there is a cap, and you can’t spend more than it. Nash will never live up to his cap hit. Why not use our assets (Dubi/Kreider/picks/whatever) for a more cost efficient player?
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i know there’s a cap…. that’s why dubinsky and kreider and a pick go the other way… name the cost efficient player they would fulfill?
There are tons of cost efficient players in the league.
Go on Cap geek, look at contract amounts, and compile a list of points per dollar of contract. It’s easy enough, and shows that top teams are full of players who out-perform their contracts.
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yeah but what teams are willing to move those players. if they’re cost efficient for their team why would that team be willing to move them?
For the extra assets we’d be giving up in return. That’s why those assets are so valuable.
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It’s true that I have no idea how he will play, but neither does Buck. if INTL play can’t be used, than neither can college stats, no?
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Certainly not ignoring international competitions
His 2010 WJC tourney was pretty impressive, but I think his box score in 2011 looks alot better then he actually was in that tournament.
As far as nothing “having substance”, how much more substance do you need. There’s been a ton of hype/expectations over Kreider. I’ve simply pointed out that Kreider’s numbers at BC were no better then a long list of other players who have amounted to little more then average NHL talent.
People have argued that Kreider is bigger, and faster, and shoots better, but at the end of the day that size, and speed and shot haven’t given him any better results then those other guys at the NCAA level, so why should we expect that he will be better then them in the pro’s?
I’m not sure how much clearer, or how much more substance I can offer, if there’s something you want me to break down further let me know. As far as the pics, I thought photos of an 18 year old Brian Leetch might be appreciated some Rangers fans
by BuckarooClub on Feb 16, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well we know the last sentence about the pics is BS. You we’re getting attention.
In terms of Kreider being over-hyped, I agree with you. It just sets him up for failure even if he is moderately successful.
My issue has and will continue to be Nash’s contract, NOT what we are giving up for him. His production doesn’t match his pay, and never will.
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Fuck No.
Nash can rot in Columbus. The cost is too high, his contract is bonkers and to be honest is he even all that good? For all that you’re giving up and paying him annually, you’d think his impact would be a bit greater in that W column.
If we’re talking about Marian Hossa a few years ago on the trade market, maybe even Kovalchuck, OK. But I don’t think you make this sort of move for Rick Nash.
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I keep hearing about the possible players included and I find myself thinking ‘hmm, maybe I would do that trade’ and then it hits me again…‘holy crap NO, not with that contract’
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Yup. Even if it only took Wolski and Redden to get the deal done that contract is going to cause a lot of pain somewhere down the road.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
It agonizing since I really like the guy and never thought he would be available and we would even have a remote shot at him.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Just trying to keep the pace with how many Brad Richards stories there were last year
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That would be a neutral Corsi team I presume? With no Steve Mason in net I could see them having chance of a PDO of > 1000
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Considering the course he’s finally on, and what this team has done, I think a lot of his past transgressions are forgiven at this point (McDonagh for Gomez damn-near clears his slate lol).
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I want an elaborate chart showing the statistical regression of Rick Nash comments from the start of the season to the trading deadline.
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you have to look at the quality goaltending in the west.
howard
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niemi
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Of that group, Rinne and Howard are the only 2 I fear. Elliot/Halak are a byproduct of St. Louis’ suffocating defensive system. Niemmi…lol. Luongo folds like a chair in big games.
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Halak is good has a decent history. Rinne is excellent. i dont fear Howard i fear his team.
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Halak seems to be more of a 1-hit wonder than a revelation. He had some struggles in St. Louis, which is why Elliot is now the man.
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Rinne and Halak are the only two worthy of fear
Howard is a slightly above average goaltender at best.
He’s not awful, but he isn’t stealing a game. That Chicago cup team was absolutely stacked (which is why they had to blow the whole thing up).
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Small sample size, need to beat them 4 times. lets see how we do tonight against the Hakws and then against the Wings. We did well VERY early in the season against Van when we got demolished but Hank stole the game. I believe we were outshot like 45-18 We also got demolished by St. Louis. Only game we owned was Nashville.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Luongo isnt their starter anymore and I agree he sucks. Van is way deeper than us though. Not sure we can beat them in 7 games but well see.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
rinne wasn’t even in net for the Nashville game it was lindback or w.e his name is
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That helps my point. thanks. I know we won 3-0 but I didnt see that game.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit George
how many times do I have to tell you +/- is a flawed stat?
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He doesn’t listen. Him and all those fancy numbers.
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Carter, Nash, Tytutin not practicing. Pavel Kubina will not play, asked for list of teams he would accept trade to.
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Aren’t we all forgetting something? The Rangers ARE the conference leading team. I.e.: playing with house money. Howson is not making this decision alone, and he’s not in a position to be choosy.
When all is said and done, Nash gets to NY on Sather’s best move, not Howson’s; which will not Dubi or Krieder involved.
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which is why it won’t happen since there are other teams who will offer more (LA). but that’s OK.
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Recognize the desperation? LA and Boston could offer more, but under what premise…keeping us from getting him. Those teams have less long-term depth than the Blueshirts. The Rangers have it over them, because not getting him doesn’t stop this team…in any way, shape or form.
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Sather’s best move would be to NOT get Nash. Unless he gets Howson to let us borrow CBJs cap space, but I doubt that’s legal.
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I heard
I heard Jeremy Lin can skate. We know he can shoot and score, maybe we can get him on the cheap?
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Do I make a move for Rick Nash?
Hmm…. tough one guys, tough one..
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How about do you put a move on Rick Nash?
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
On SNYRangersblog.com today:
On TSN 990 in Montreal, Darren Dreger said that the Columbus Blue Jackets may ask for Michael Del Zotto as part of a package for Rick Nash.
Dreger says "if the New York Rangers aren’t the front runner in this, they are right up at the top." He adds the asking price is four pieces and right now for the Rangers that is "too rich."
Dreger’s guess at what players Columbus would want from the Rangers are a combination of Michael Del Zotto, though Dreger thinks that he is untouchable, Brandon Dubinsky, maybe Artem Anisimov and then prospects like Chris Kreider and Tim Erixon.
He says that he doesn’t think that the Rangers, or anyone, will trade for Nash unless the price comes down.
It was reported last season that Columbus had inquired about Del Zotto.
Just speculation, of course…
Biron in next tonight btw.
Birons in goal?
Shit that means Hank is getting traded!
by teknics on Feb 16, 2012 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Glen drags this out to drive up the price. Good chance CBJ sends him to the east.
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I like it.
Make Boston give up Seguin, Rask, and 1st or something. :)
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Rask, Horton, Jordan Caron and a pick would be a helluva package to get for Nash. Boston would be stupid to do it, but that’s an excellent return for Columbus.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That’s essentially what they are asking for, right?
MDZ, AA, Dubi, and 1st = Rask, Horton, Caron and a pick.
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Horton’s injured right now, and might be LTIRed. He’s going nowhere.
Rask is worth too much to Boston. TT’s old.
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Im just saying that is what CBJ thinks they can get back.
Nuts.
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Well, so much for that then. Shows you how much I pay attention
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it would be nice if you put a little more effort into things around here. Tired of picking up your slack. It’s like being Callahan on a line with Boyle and Dubinsky.
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by Caerid11 on Feb 16, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
lmao!
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If I were CBJ I would take Rask, Horton, and a middle pick/prospect.
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No way they do that. Thomas gets traded in the off season. Rask is there long term. No way they do that having already won last year. Now if they hadnt won they may do it becuase of desperation but………
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
May equals if...big word.
Howson wants a big center, a scoring winger, a two-way defenseman, and a goalie along with a first round pick.
Ahche-hem (clearing my throat):
Boyle, Wolski, Zucc, Erixon, Stajcer, and what will be the 29th pick overall.
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What a joke.
MDZ, Dubinsky, Anisimov, and Krieder?
I don’t think there’s a single player in the NHL I would trade that for..
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how about a healthy cwothby. gretzky in his prime?
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In today’s NHL there isn’t a guy I would trade that for. if Crosby was 100% healthy I’d consider it at least.
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I love Stamkos, not in that way. And even at his age with a ton of upside to come I would not give up that much. Take out MDZ ,maybe.
does anyone love stamkos in that way? he makes hartnell look like an underwear model.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Even more ridiculous than yesterday's ask.
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before this gets ridiculous...
maybe slats should offer girardi mcd lun cally gabbi richards stepan haeglin mitchell stralman staal bickel rupp feds wolski thomas st croix zuccs newbury and their 1st rounf pick for the next 18 seasons…this way we still have a few guys and the jackets get what they think nash is worth
by mickeymuffinz on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions
or
just change it to the New York Nash and the Columbus Rangers.
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at least we would have good cap space
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
lmao
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while were at it… lets traid away all the fluff and just convert ourselves to a basketball team.
richards – point guard
gabby – shooting guard
cally – small foward
nash – power forward
hank – center/beautiful man to distract opponents
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Where’s Kevin and his ’TRAID ALL DA PLAYERZ!" pic?
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Serious trade proposal for Nash
Mathew Barnaby, Anson Carter and a first round draft pick
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kevin weekes, envir lisin, jamie lundmark, and a medium cafe latte
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
you can’t trade lisin hea gonna be great
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what about lundmark though? he should be untouchable,no? what a prospect.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Please don’t forget Roman Ndur.
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dont forget francois bouchard. giving up tomas kundratek and a 2nd round pick really paid off.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Miloslav Horava, Valery Kamenks, Vladimir Malokhov and Stephane Quintal for Nash.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 16, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
reporting in for another nash-a-thon
here we go
/budlightcommerical
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions
FUCK NASH
WE NEED JEREMY LIN ON THE POINT FOR THE POWERPLAY. AMIRITE?? CAPSLOCK = LINNINGGG
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions
It's all about chemistry...
The NYR are the best team in the league, and a huge chunk of that success is due to fantastic team chemistry. Screwing it up by trading anything other than a spare part would be a big mistake, IMHO. And Dubi is not a spare part.
Aye.
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NASH TRADE
THIS JUST IN:
JEREMY LIN, ELI MANNING, ALEX RODRIGUEZ, MAYOR BLOOMBERG, THE STATUE OF LIBERTY FOR NASH.
make this TRAID HAPPEN Glen “Merlin” Sather
Nope.
My issue is not with Nash the player, nor is it with the cost to acquire. My issue is with Nash the cap hit, and no proposal changes it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Winner!!!
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Oh god, another Nash thread.
Must. Not. Look. At. Comments.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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by Caerid11 on Feb 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The power forward of Nash compels you!
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 16, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
please be LA, please be LA, please be LA.
Regardless, we knew this.
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I’d piss myself laughing if it was Philly. Of all the things they need, Nash is dead-fucking-last.
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If they really want a goaltender back, we’re at best 4th on that list.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah the kings could offer bernier for sure. boston offer thomas? and the sharks could offer griess? toronto would move reimer i guess.
CBJ doesn’t want Thomas. They’d want Rask. No way a rebuilding team is taking on a 37 (38?) year-old goalie for a rebuild.
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Best CBJ can do with Boston IMO is a 1st, Doug Hamilton, Krejci, and maybe another lower pick like a 3rd/4th.
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Nah, they’ve done some dumb shit, believe you me, but if they get a crap return for Nash, they will burn that fucking building to the ground with the team management inside it.
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The whole Bernier+++ for Nash just makes sense for both sides
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except most kings fans don’t want his contract lol
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Same as us.
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Read the new PD article on it. That contract pretty much screws over most of the potential teams.
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The problem for the Rangers and Boston with them being on this list is
after their top 2 goalies, none of the goalies after them are NHL ready. All of the others are at least 3 goalies deep. San Jose has the centers, Toronto has the wingers, and LA has the defense (like the Rangers do). This is gonna come down to the number of players offered.
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Gross via SNY
Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord
Anaheim Ducks with five, count ‘em, five spots reserved for scouts at tonight’s Rangers-Blackhawks game.
I counter your post with this
Jesse Spector @jessespector
Wouldn’t read too much into large Ducks contingent at NYR-CHI. Anaheim plays Devils tomorrow night.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you think they are just catching a game on a night off? Just kidding. I actually wouldn’t read too much into any scout appearances at all, it’s just that time of the year.
So you think they are just catching a game on a night off?
I know your kidding, but it’s probably some of that. We’re an east coast team they likely don’t see much, it’s a good opportunity for them to get a look at us, since we’re a much different team from earlier in the year.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not for every team. And not often the GM themselves (as is the case with ANA tonight)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I…don’t see it. Unless Anaheim is looking to get somebody for a playoff run from Chicago?
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6 points out, big winning streak, and Hiller is finally back to form (he’s top-5 IMO when he’s healthy). They might actually be buyers at this point.
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agreed.
imagine them catching fire and heading into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed? scary…
That’s what they did last year. They rode Perry, this year Hiller is the horse.
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Yup.
I suppose some even type of swap is possible.
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Me too
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Do not ,..do not trade ANYBODY..!...Period
I only hope that Sather will not trade..at this point any player from this squad thats getting better and better day by day..Wait until summer,of -season..This team may win it all,no kidding!! Go Rangers!!.Trading Nash may not blessed!!!!
I get you guys not wanting to part w Kreider. But the Rangers window is now. You have the best goalie in the league, who is 30. Gaborik is 30. Richards is 32. You have built enough young depth that even if you traded a few young players / prospects, you’d still have solid young guys left. Nash can help you win the cup the next 4-5 years.
kriedeer is a few years away being an impact player. And, no guaretee he will be one as good as he looks. Nash is guaranteed.
I know your looking at this as a bluejacket fan but we just don’t want his rediculous contract
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 5:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It’s not ridiculous for the kind of player he is. He’s a superstar with a superstar contract.
I mean, it’s slightly higher than gaborik and Nash doesn’t have any injury history and has a lot more size.
Nash is on an awful team with an awful roster, but he is a legit stud. If you do land him you will love him
by Re-SignZherdev on Feb 16, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a superstar to Columbus. He’s an all-star with an MVP’s contract to us, and that’s a major problem.
No one doubts Nash’s skill, but he’s paid WAAAAY too much for his production, bad team or not. This guy has been on some pretty terrible teams too, and he’s managed 4 89+ point seasons. (not to mention making $800k) less.
Sorry, but he’s not worth the contract, especially on a team with three $6.6m+ players already
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, this guy
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
last I checked, Jarome Iginla wasn’t available
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That’s not the point.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
if Nash was only “a superstar to Columbus,” he wouldn’t play significant minutes on the top line of team Canada at the Olympics.
Honestly, if you guys do land him, you’re going to be embarrassed at how much you de-valued him and didn’t want him when you see how he performs night in and night out.
by Re-SignZherdev on Feb 17, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
It’s fairly simple. He’s worth more to Columbus fans because he’s the face of the franchise. To everyone else he’s a 65-70 point player making 90+ point player money.
No one wants the contract, regardless of what they are giving up.
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If he puts up only 60 points a year at $7.8m a year, he’s going to get destroyed by the NY fan base.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
And that should be expected, cause it will mean the team is sucking. If this team stays on this pace in the regular season, then gets bounced in the first or second round, cause despite Hank standing on his head, the team can’t score, they’ll get destroyed by the NY fan base too.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 17, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
And that should be expected, cause it will mean the team is sucking
Then we should expect a few years of suck, because 60 point seasons from Nash are more likely than not over his contract.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 18, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Our window is not now.
Our window now-2016, so why mortgage all our future and lock ourselves into salary cap hell when we could just not get Nash, keep our cap hit down, and keep our kids? Nash is no way worth Dubi, Kreider, Step/McD, and a 1st. ESPECIALLY with that awful cap hit.
Trading for Nash will be one of the worst decisions this organization can make.
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Division hasnt produced at all this year, replacing him w Nash is a major upgrade and your also getting rid of his 4.2 cap hit.
I agree, if I were the rangers, no way I give up Stepan under any circumstances. but considering Step is only 21, i think that makes it easier to give up Krieder.
But when you already have Staal, Girardi, Sauer, McIlrath, Erixon, I can’t see why you wouldn’t be willing to part with McDonough or DZ in a deal for a guy of Nash’s caliber.
Plus, having Nash will probably increase Richars production and make his contract and term work out a lot better.
by Re-SignZherdev on Feb 16, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
because eventually girardi may move on to a new team when he needs a new contract and mcdonagh is going to be our best defensmen
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You can have MDZ, McD is the best of the bunch there longterm.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the CBJ would ask for 2 defesman on the current roster, just one of the young ones, Del Zotto or McD, but not both, that’d be pushing it. I know they like Del Zotto.
by Re-SignZherdev on Feb 16, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Either of them is pushing it. There is zero chance the Rangers give up McD. You need to watch more games before you make that type of comment.
In the long run he’s our best defensemen. Zero chance he’s moved.
No one wants Nash’s contract. It’s a liability, especially given our cap situation right now.
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Honestly, McD is soft, and look at the number of times, when Hank can’t get to the 3rd or 4th attempt that gets by him, it’s McD on the ice. We’ve built him up alot, but if Hank was standing on his head back there, the problems would be more obvious. As with the rest of the D, I say sell high on this kid.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
McDonagh is worth your #1 pick, in terms of value, at this point.
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Dubinsky has produced, you haven’t been able to watch games so I can see where you’re coming from. His goal scoring and offensive play hasn’t been that great this year, but he’s probably been our best forward without the puck this year, great defensive forward and he does everything right, except for scoring this year. But he is getting a decent amount of assists which is good. And I’m not worried about being under the cap this year, if we got Nash we would be in salary cap hell in 2-4 years, just like the Hawks were after they won the cup. We have to be able to re-sign MDZ, Sauer, Hagelin, Anisimov, McD, and Stepan. That doesn’t even mention when Gabby and Henrik’s contracts are up. We will need all the room we can get.
And out of Staal, Girardi, Sauer, McDonagh, MDZ, Erixon, and McIlrath, the last defenseman out of that group that I would trade is McDonagh. He is simply awesome. McDonagh, Staal, MDZ, Erixon, Sauer, Girardi, McIlrath in that order. I wouldn’t mind trading Girardi because his value is pretty high and should be for the next few seasons, and he will also be needing a raise. And McIlrath would be nice to have, but if we had to trade anyone out of all those guys, I trade McIlrath.
Getting Nash will make him our highest paid player, which is ridiculous, he isn’t an elite player. He’s an all-star, that’s it. Having all the money tied up with Nash, Gaborik, Richards, and Henrik would be a terrible situation for us. There is literally no trade I’d be happy with if we got Nash. At all. Like George said earlier, I like Nash the player, I don’t like Nash the contract. And there is absolutely no compensation for Nash’s contract on our team.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
Every time McDonagh plays a game in a Rangers jersey, a Canadiens fan sets a car on fire.
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McD is literally ont he verge of being on all-star defensemen. No way guys get your hands on him.
MDZ is possible, but no way with McDonagh. That’s insane.
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for the keys to the game thread….I want to talk about something else than Nash
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 16, 2012 6:30 PM EST via Android app reply actions
We traded that thread for the right to talk about Nash for another 36 hours.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 16, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
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