NHL Trade Rumors: Should The New York Rangers Beef Up On Defense?
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Last week Brandon wrote an article against the New York Rangers making a move for a veteran defenseman. But with the NHL trade deadline rapidly approaching it's becoming more and more evident that Michael Sauer might not be suiting up anytime soon, or even this season.
Monday afternoon Jim Cerny tweeted that he had no updates on Sauer's condition as of yet. Sauer remains out indefinitely with concussion symptoms.
You don't need me to tell you how important defense is in the playoffs, especially for a team that sometimes has a hard time putting the puck into the back of the net. The Rangers do have depth at defense, something that made John Tortorella call the defense a "healthy situation." But is it enough?
Join me after the jump for more.
I think we all can agree that Marc Staal isn't where he was pre-concussion, although he is still averaging 18 minutes a night. Both Michael Del Zotto and Anton Stralman have made significant strides and have become important cogs in the Rangers' defense, while Dan Girardi and Ryan McDonagh have been monsters all season.
The Rangers also have Steve Eminger and Jeff Woywitka in the wings.
So why beef up the defense you ask?
Remember the feeling when McDonagh went down against the Washington Capitals after scoring a goal? Maybe that's a reason to at least consider making a move for a veteran defenseman.
The Rangers do have defensive depth, but how much of that depth would you be comfortable with in the playoffs? Especially if Sauer is out the rest of the season. What if Girardi wears down from his increased workload all year? What if Del Zotto, Stralman and McDonagh don't handle the playoffs as well if they handled the regular season?
Those are questions that should at least make you think about adding some veteran depth at defense. Then again, if Sauer is closer to being back then we think, or if every defenseman available is overpriced (which will most likely be the case) then it's certianly not worth making a big splash.
But if the Rangers can make a cheap move for a veteran defenseman then shouldn't it at least be worth a look?
Thoughts?
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I think this question’s answer is strongly tied to Sauer. IF we have Sauer healthy and playing at 85-90% before the concussion, then I would say, and adamantly so, that we do not need defensive depth. I know that is a very large if, but if that were to be the actual case here is my reasoning for not needing extra depth. Staal in my view has progressed since his return. I would absolutely concede he is not at the top of his game but I think it will get there. This part is entirely speculation on my part, but I feel Staal’s inadequate play stems mostly from the time away from the game not the injury itself (it was a concussion in case you need reminding). In conjunction with that, I think that he will continure to improve up until the playoffs. If Sauer were to return and if he was nearly as effective as he was before injury we are looking at one of the best d-cores in the league. Assuming the pairs were as follows:
McD Girardi
Staal Sauer
MDZ Stralman
Then we are looking at MDZ and Stralman playing against weak competition, which I believe not only will they be defensive responsible against but will also open things up for their offensive game (MDZ and Stralman being arguably our best pair offensively). We also would be looking at the top two pairs being able to handle virtually any competition thrown at them. That situation is most definitely a favorable one, but it rests heavily on the return of Sauer.
If Sauer were not to return this season, then yes for the simple fact that I feel as our defense stands today we should upgrade Eminger’s spot if we want to make a serious run at the cup. Emmy would be a good 7th defenseman but I’m not sure he is anything better than “steady” which, while certainly a complimentary thing to say, is not what I want to be the best thing I could say about the bottom pair.
speculation on my part, but I feel Staal’s inadequate play stems mostly from
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by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 20, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Sauer isnt even on the ice at this point and nobody know the timetable for concussion you have to assume he is not coming back.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 20, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes if the rangers can get a stay at home D on the cheap. Like a 3rd or 4th rounder. Depth is important if you want to go 4 rounds in the playoffs. I suspect Sauer is done for the year.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My friend just text me that there are rumors that rangers asking avs about D rfa kyle quincey. Evidently a puck moving d.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i know of him but havent seen him much. i put his name into twitter and this is what came up:
Kyle Quincy needs to be benched until he is traded @Avalanche #Avs" AMEN.
Get Kyle quincy off my avalanche team right now
Kyle Quincy is worthless. Now that is trading material right there, maybe the #Avs can get a new zamboni & a bag of pucks for him. #GoAvsGo
How many times do we have to watch Kyle Quincy turn the puck over? The Avs had completely turned this game around until that.
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 20, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Admittedly I know nothing about him. But it makes sense that they would be looking for a cheap add on
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i actually havent heard the rumor from anybody
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
My friend is on twitter with everyone so I assume there. This isn’t exactly earth shattering news.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As recently as two years ago he was taking the toughs for the Avs can coming out as well as Girardi/McDonagh do (which is to say, good enough). He puts up points, but obviously the Avalanche fans have had enough.
Like most D adds, he can’t be any worse than Eminger/Woywitka/Bickel on the back end. He had 25 PP assists his rookie year, so maybe he adds something there. Cap hit is managable ($3.125m this year, RFA at season end)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just looked. 5 goals 18 assists this year. I guess potential cheap add that I mentioned. He’s young enough so why not?
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you did a Twitter search on MDZ you most likely will see the same tweets.
Or you could do a search here and find certain people saying the same things about Staal.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
he has 29 giveaways and 22 takeaways in 54 games played while averaging 22 minutes of ice time
doesn’t sound like a turnover machine to me…
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
We have given up more than 2 goals in 2 of our last 14 games. No, I don’t think we need any help on D. Eminger and Bickel are both competent 6/7th D men.
If the front office/Torts were concerned about defense, they would have gone after Pavel Kubina – a guy Torts has experience with. The fact that he went to Philly tells me that the NYR aren’t looking to add any d-depth.
If they get caught in a pinch, they’ll call up Erixon or Redden (just kidding about the latter !!!)
Exactly, when Kubina was being shopped the rumors even said that NYR were not interested. I agree with you on this. And yeah, Erixon in an emergency is fine. But that would be a deep emergency with Bickle, Eminger, and Woy up with the club.
Kubina is 98 years old and slow. Erixon may be going for you know who instead of mdz.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Things change. And if the rangers can get nash without giving up mdz then erixon is the likely top prospect to go.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m surprised they haven’t at this point. Eminger has been terrible in his return, and Staal still isn’t right. With Kubina off the table, dbmaven makes a good point that he would most likely have landed here if team’s management was really concerned (or we didn’t feel like matching their price of a useless prospect/2nd/5th rounders IIRC).
The prices for even a bottom-pairing rental are ridiculously high at this point as well (old slow guys like Gil and nobodies like Grossman are fetching 2nd rounders+ at this point), so it looks like what we have is it right now.
We also have Bickel/Woywitka who…haven’t been terrible.
I don’t think it’s a need at this point, but I wouldn’t mind Glen finding a cheap bottom-pair rental if one comes available because you can never have enough healthy cannon-fodder the way we block shots.
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Woywitka sucks and can’t be relied on. Emmy has not been good since being back but he’s adequate.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eminger is OK
Nothing great. Still wish we would have gotten Kubina. While we are good defensively a good puck mover like Kubina would maybe help us generate more offense.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 20, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Kubina maybe a year or 2 ago. But he’s slowed down tremendously. I was at the game vs TB and he was not good at all. I may be crazy but I like emmy. Especially before the injury.
by Richter1994 on Feb 20, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Goal Scoring is a Problem
The defense and goalie are the reasons the Rangers are #1 in the East. They have the lowest GA in the NHL yet they rank 13th in goals scored. Defense is fine, I say they need more scoring.
Well, they were 11th in goals per game as of this morning.
That’s a fairer way to judge.
by Chris McShane on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
goal differential
- behind boston and vancouver, ahead of detroit.
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Absolutely. 3 reasons
At this point you have to assume Sauer is not coming back this season.
We are one injury away from dressing Eminger and Woywitka for Stanley Cup run. That does not bode well.
5 of our 7 defense have a COMBINED playoff experience of 15 games.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions
It's about priorities
Would it be nice to have another D-man to add depth? Sure, but it’s not our Achilles heel. We need scoring so why even address something that we are leading the league in and with a good chance for the Jennings trophy. Even if get a critical injury, we have depth to cover us.
You can’t think along those lines. That’s like saying do we have depth at G if our #1 goalie gets an injury?
It seems to me that since Bickel is still playing W on the 4th, and WW, Feds or another call up is not in the line-up, we may be going for a depth F at the deadline. Has anyone heard what Feds’ status is?
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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 21, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
Man, you sure jammed a lot in one paragraph.
There is no reason why you cant address both. And if scoring is an issue, which I agree it is, then defense becomes even more critical. You will not be able to convince me that we will win the Jennings trophy because of Eminger and Woywitka.
We already have one of our depth D playing a full roll. If we have another injury you now have your 7th and 8th playing full time roles. That is not a good recipe for playoff success.
We do have depth at goalie, it is called the backup. No teams carry 3 goaltenders (except the Islanders). And it is kinda tough to upgrade Henrik whereas upgrading Eminger/Wowyitka/Bickle should be a bit easier to do.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Another very low level guy out there is Theo Peckham on the Oilers. He was hit in the face with a puck and is back now but a healthy scratch. I just checked his stats and he’s basically a breakeven +/- but he had almost 200 hits last year and has 74 in 46 games this year. Obviously a gritty stay at home D. Sounds like Bickel but I don’t know how good a skater Peckham is. Bickel’s major flaw is his skating (obviously, lol).
Dont know much about him.
Another name being thrown around is Bryan Allen.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
Peckham stinks.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
When George just flat out says somebody stinks, and doesn’t even back it up with statistics, it’s pretty much safe to say “that fucking guys SUCKS.”
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I have a question for the powers that be (Joe, George, etc). Do you know if there are any issues with signing Kreider? We all assume he will be signed by the team after this college season. Is that the case or are there any rumblings to the contrary? Thanks in advance.
We have discussed it several times before, and he has given no indication yet. Not clear whether taking those summer courses allow him to graduate this semester or not, but his finals don’t end until 2nd week of May. My assumption is that seeing him in Hartford for the playoffs is a longshot, we may just have to wait until August.
ok thanks, but that’s the timing of a signing. does anyone know that he actually WANTS to sign here? we are all assuming he does which sometimes is a bad assumption.
There has not been any rumbling that he doesn’t want to sign here.
And really, no disrespect to Joe and George, etc they would have no clue. I would even doubt beat reporters, including Cerny, would know.
If in fact that is the case, Slats would hold that VERY close to his chest since that would diminish his position in any trade negotiations.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
The only rumblings that he does not actually want to sign here have been perpetuated by worried comments and nothing that he has actually said. People take that he always says in interviews that he is just focusing on his season, etc., as he isn’t talking about being excited for the Rangers. But I don’t buy it. If that were the case I doubt all of our top brass would have gone to the Beanpot finals. I haven’t seen anyone of note even suggest he might want to walk away from NY.
Good point about management going to the Beanpot.
Unless it was so Messier can elbow him in the jaw until he agrees.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions
I was just curious because we always assume 1st round picks will sign but when you attach “can’t miss” statements to prospects then the contract price goes up. it’s still a business. I was not alluding to anything I have read or heard it was just a general question that I did not have an answer to. and I guess no one does.
Well he is still limited with regard to contract limit. And in the end most of it are bonuses, so if he actually does hit them, good for him and us. Management had no issue giving Erixon the max.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
thank you, I knew there was some restriction. was just wondering whether there was any issues like Erixon with Calgary. I hadn’t heard of any.
I don’t think Erixon’s issue was money related. I don’t remember exactly but it had more to do with the organization.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
he didn’t want to play there, lol. which is what I am asking if there are any of those issues with Kreider to anyone’s knowledge.
Yeah, he didn’t but he never really answered why. Most suggested that it was because Calgary had a poor history of development and giving rookies a fair shot.
With regards to Kreider what issues could he have? We obviously are successful at the moment. We have shown that we do develop and promote from within. We have no ownership or money issues. He is still a short hop from his family. He will be playing with quality teammates.
I really cant think of one other reason besides the suggestion some have made that he is a Bruins fans which I don’t give any weight to. Do you know how many players grew up fans of teams they are not playing for?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. just wondering and hoping there are no issues. stud in the making.
by Richter1994 on Feb 21, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
If that were the case, growing up a Bruins fan, etc.. if he finished college , he really could simply wait 30 days until after he was eligible, not sign a contract, and walk away from any commitment to NYR? And sign elsewhere?
this is exactly what i am worried about
seems like a really shitty system, especially since I don’t think we would get another draft pick out of it because I think he is too old to re-enter the draft.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I pretty sure we get a compensatory pick. But it still wont make up for the loss.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope he signs with us
really would be shitty of him not to…
Kreider has commented in interviews
that he is a lifelong Bruin fan.
that his favorite players of all time are mostly Bruins.
and that he loves the area (Boston Area).
Now i understand he can still be professional and not let any of that put any weight towards his decision to sign. But we really do not know.
It may or it may not, but if we do see Kreider in a Ranger uniform, it probably won’t be for a while.
0 chance this playoff run.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
JVR was a huge Ranger fan. Ryan was a huge Philly fan…you can go on and on….
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
By the same token, I’ve also read scouting reports that say Kreider is not “hockey smart.” That he doesn’t have good instincts.
That was last year. Even at the beginning of this year, writers (like Leslie Tref) were saying it was noticeably improved. And one could assume it has continued developing throughout this season since his numbers are much higher.
Encouraging, but instincts are instincts. I believe you either have them or you don’t. Instincts isn’t something that can be taught or developed. Just throwing it out there. I’ve never had the opportunity to watch Kreider. I’m just wondering if he’s really that good or is there a bit of hype attached to him among Ranger fans.
no
-he really is that good, he has an incredible shot, absolute beauty of a shot.
-he is incredibly fast nobody was lying about that.
-he is big, that is for sure haha.
-he has issues with his puck control, lost the puck easily in some transitions in the game that i saw. definitely no Datsyuk ha
all these comments reflect one game i saw, but he has a lot of room to grow IMO.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
From January:
Back in August, Corey Pronman of Hockey Prospectus looked at Chris Kreider and questioned his hockey sense by saying that he lacks a feel for the game.
In his look of the top 50 prospects in hockey, Pronman ranks Kreider 33rd and says that, to him, Kreider’s hockey sense has improved and that the way he is right now, he could be a notable player in the NHL.
“he doesn’t seem awful and that’s all he ever needed to do to skyrocket up my board due to some of his elite level physical tools.”
For a lot of feedback from different media sources, check out here:
http://www.snyrangersblog.com/category/chris-kreider/
Timely update via SYNRangersblog, Pronman updated ESPN Insider with:
At ESPN Insider, Corey Pronman lists five Ranger prospects that the Rangers could trade for Rick Nash.
He lists Tim Erixon, Chris Kreider, Michael St. Croix, JT Miller and Dylan McIlrath.
On Erixon, who Pronman is a big fan of, he says that Erixon projects to be a shutdown defenseman who can play against the other team’s top players.
On Kreider, Pronman writes that he is looked at as a top six goal scorer with first line potential.
On St. Croix, he quotes a scout as saying, "He’s the player this year I thought he was going to be last year." St. Croix is a brilliant playmaking forward with great upside and could have the potential to be a top-two line scorer in the NHL.
On JT Miller, Pronman says that he is a versatile player with no noticeable weaknesses.
On McIlrath, he says that after struggling to start the season, McIlrath has "been a bone-crushing defenseman who scares the life out of opposing forwards every shift."
I just got the chills with the McIlrath projection.
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You may be big but does that qualify you as a Power that Is?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
What about Bickel?
I will say this: Eminger and Woywitka are liabilities IMO. Watching Eminger the last few games after not having seen him for a while, illustrated to me just how average he is. I would not want to go into the playoffs with either Eminger or Woywitka as one of my top 6. I’d actually feel better with Bickel.
we should probably give emmy a break
he hasn’t had many games back. he can play a good 5/6 D role when he is healthy and on his game. He has not been a liability before.
I think he has time to find his game before serious playoffs start. give him a break
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Just like Staal needs time, Eminger does too.
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Except I don’t think Eminger pre-injury was better than Stu Bickel IMO. I feel Bickel is at least just as good plus he plays physical and with an edge.
Just not a big Eminger fan. And when I saw that Torts had him on the PP a couple of games ago, I almost threw up in my mouth.
Most mean Torts disagrees with you.
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I don’t know. It was actually 4 games ago against Washington and Eminger hasn’t played one second of PP time since. Maybe he does agree with me now.
I meant in terms of playing time, not really PP time.
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