NHL Trade Rumors: Should The New York Rangers Try To Add Playoff Experience?
With the NHL trade deadline less than a week away the New York Rangers are currently analyzing their squad to see where the team needs improvements and what the team can afford to part with. We've talked about adding offense and we've also talked about adding some defensive depth, but what about experience?
This offseason the Rangers brought in Brad Richards, a player who not only has a Stanley Cup ring but also has a Conn Smythe Trophy under his belt as well. He's one of the few Rangers with significant playoff experience (63 games), however. Marian Gaborik has 34 games under his belt, Ruslan Fedotenko has played in 88 playoff games, Henrik Lundqvist has 35 games worth of experience and Marc Staal and Dan Girardi both have 22 and 32 games respectively. Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky have played 27 and 22 games respectively.
Join me after the jump for more.
While it's true that the Rangers have six players on the team who have quite a bit of playoff experience, it's also true that in key areas the Rangers are lacking. Guys like Derek Stepan, Artem Anisimov, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Anton Stralman and Carl Hagelin all will enter the postseason with little-to-no playoff experience.
But is that a big enough deal to make a move at the deadline?
The Rangers do seem to have a good mix of experienced and younger players on offense, especially with the experience guys like Callahan and Dubinsky have gotten over the past coupe of years. Players like Richards and Fedotenko can help prepare the younger guys for what's coming and steady the ship when things start to move in the wrong direction.
The Rangers' defense, however, is a different story.
Only Staal and Girardi have any real playoff experience. It certianly helps to have a quality goaltender between the pipes who has been there before to help steady the nerves, but it's still something that's worth looking into.
I saw in yesterday's defensive thread that many of you pointed towards the Rangers not being interested in Pavel Kubina as a sign that the team would be avoiding a move for a veteran defenseman. I wouldn't be so sure based on that information. A few of you said that his relationship with John Tortorella was a reason why you were surprised the Rangers didn't make a move for him.
I think it's the reason they didn't.
I think Tortorella knew what Kubina was going to bring to the table, and knew the price he was going to cost (he ended up costing Philadelphia a second and fourth round pick along with a prospect), and knew he wasn't worth it. Glen Sather might look to go away from the beaten path a little bit here and maybe look for a veteran defenseman who isn't a big name.
Either way, how much stock do you all put in the experience, or lack of experience, the Rangers have on this team?
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They have plenty of guys on this team
that have been to and excelled in the playoffs so I wouldnt be too worried about that. This team wont panic in ther playoffs. Im on with adding a veteran rental if it costs nothing.
Plenty?? Who?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Richards is a Con Smythe Winner. Fedotenko has scored a game winning goal in the finals. The core of Hank, Staal, Callahan, Girardi all have over 20 games of playoff experience. Gaborik too. You dont need 20 guys that have been in the finals every year.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah back in 2003. That plus 1 more goal is his entire goal total in 43 playoffs games.
Not trying to take anything away for him, getting a 7th game gwg is a great accomplishment but I would not say that in-itself supports my definition of a player who has excelled in the playoffs.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
oh no i understand. i just threw it out there because i knew feds hasn’t excelled throughout his playoff career just a game here or there.
I’m not worried with the lack of experience on this team tho. I think the core has enough games under their belt and they’re a confident and resilient bunch.
Well I agree that there are a few who have been there and know what it takes and can try to help some of the younger players through it.
I do not agree that this team has plenty of experienced players who have excelled in the playoffs.
I have hope that they way the have fought this year, the way they work translates into the playoffs but with so many of them never playing more than a lick does worry me. You just don’t know.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
i think brad boyes could be had… but many disagreed with me a few weeks ago when i threw his name out there for a rental.
you can’t bring in a scorer and stick him on the 4th line. who sits?
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Hagelin is faster and scores more than Boyes so no. Also hags speed means he plays, doubt he moves down no matter who we get.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
if we get a top 6 forward who else is gonna move? richards? callahan? gabby? step? anisimov?
faster yes. but speed can be neutralized by good teams come playoff time.
Hagelin is better than Boyes….
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Puck possession, forechecking mainly.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
creating scoring chances
with his speed, grit
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
really
talk about destroying a guy’s confidence who is playing at a high level at a young age.
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if they trade for a top 6 forward at the deadline for scoring depth explain to me who moves down a line?
who do you trade for this top 6 forward?
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if they could make that happen, fine. i just don’t think that’ll happen. people see the rangers and want at least one core guy and a blue chip.
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agree on this, you donty get something for nothing. the pieces we would trade in the above scenario is nothing
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
talking about rentals here. teams could see wolski differently than us. he’s 24 he just doesn’t mesh in this system.
so far teams have traded 2 draft picks for rentals thus far. doubt it would cost us much more for a top six forward.
I agree, the rentals cost for a guy like Kubina was 2nd and 4th, thats a top pairing defenseman granted on TB, but none the less he was a top pairing D…
The market dictates a top forward as a rental could be had for no less than 2 draft picks and depend on the teams wants and needs either a prospect or an NHL ready player…
Hagelin is not a scorer face it… he’s an electric player who brings a lot of speed and creates a lot of other players, should he be moved off of richies line probably not because of his ability to create space, but still does not rectify our need for a scorer… hagelin may peak in his career at 20-25 goals… as a rental for picks, boyes is probably the guy… which could also have a ripple effect and balance out some other lines…
If we aren’t moving any players we might as well feel safe moving picks because our farm is plentiful, and will become over abundant if e don’t move any prospects so picks are becoming expendable…
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
how does boyes rate over hagelin? what has boyes done? his stats are awful. he is NOT a scorer.
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boyes, 3 g, 10 a in 47 games. hagelin, 9 g 14 a in 39 games. what am i missing here?
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I want ZERO part of Boyes he hasnt been good in 3 years
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
did you watch any of the buffalo games prior to the last month? They were absolutely awful… just like the argument of how bad CBJ were… we dominated play in their endzone all night… if guys like boyes or nash had more time in the offensive zone they are bound to put up more points than have 8 minutes in the offensive zone on their respective teams… had the rangers had a guy another guy who can put the puck in the net, we beat CBJ easily… we lack that final scorer whomever it may be… and if you don’t see that I don’t know what game you are watching…
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Despite the fact that when players swtich to better teams they don’t produce more?
Hagelin has 23 points in 39 games in his rookie season. He’s also a fucking rookie, and a possession monster
Boyes has 13 points in 46 games.
Enough with this grass is greener bullshit.
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What difference does that make?
Isn’t it sad that he can’t get more ice time if that’s his competition?
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What rookies do? Boyes hasn’t scored over 30 in over 4 years. His days of being a goal scorer are done.
His last three seasons his goal totals are:
14
17
3
Yeah. Hags is already better than him.
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Not a reantal hwo hasnt played all year and has made no impact in at least 2 and a half years.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
if it wasn’t for some bad luck and lundqvist playing out of his mind boyes single handedly beats the rangers a few weeks ago. you guys look at his stats and think that’s it do you ever watch buffalo play?
so you want to bring in a guy who has 3 goals in 49 games, put him in our top 6 because he made a nice move in a shootout?
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his ability to drive to the net is something we lack… normally dubinsky does that, but for some reason he hasn’t done that at all and just can’t find his offensive game this year… boyes will take the puck and try to ram it down the goaltenders throat, we have no players that do that… he’s a rental and probably will come on the cheap it’s a low risk high reward…
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He slots Hagelin down, and Hagelin is already a better player.
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thats great. on a defensive st louis team and a buffalo team that didn’t show up for about 1/2 the season.
And the Rangers are a defensive team, if you haven’t noticed.
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his stats have fallen off of the table, possibly something is wrong other than he plays for a bad team.
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the risk on boyes is so low that it’s worth it… to take a chance… he’s not a wolski finesse type player he’s a rough and tough drive the lane goal scorer… i don’t see how the move is so detrimental
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 21, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree about the risk being so low you take a chance on boyes, he is not better than anyone we currently dress on a nightly basis….if we are going to add anyone, that means someone has to sit, so logic says that new addition has to be a better player than we already have…..Brad Boyes is not better than anyone on our team nor important enough to sit even Rupp on a game by game basis.
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so 14 points in 21 is falling off the table? don’t criticize a player if you don’t watch him play.. im tired of everyone looking at stats. do you also know that boyes plays on the 3rd line most of the time? with guys like kaleta who aren’t scorers or playmakers?
plus he averages 13 to 14 mins a game while hagelin plays on the 2nd line with brad richards and ryan callahan. yeah thats a fair comparison.
he’ll fight for pucks on both ends of the ice, block shots, and drive the net as well. and we can probably get him for even less than others. low risk/high reward.
Last year, in a full season:
Boyes had 67 hits and 33 blocked shots.
This year, in 46 games:
Boyes has 22 hits and 16 blocked shots.
SINCE WHEN IN THE WORLD IS THAT TOUGH?
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do you see hagelin ever drive to the net? for christ sake we’re talking about a rental not mortgaging the future.
and how are you so sure hagelin isn’t gonna flame out over the stretch run into the playoffs. hes never played more than 40 or so games a year?
Like I said, I don’t mind bringing him in, as long as he doesn’t take Hagelin’s spot.
How are you sure he is? And how are you sure Boyes will produce more than he has this season?
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including the playoffs you could hit 100 games easily. thats about 2 1/2 college hockey seasons. so of course its something of concern. i don’t want him to flame out i’m just stating there’s a possibility of it happening.
I would think Richards and Callahan are better players than anyone on buffalos 2nd/3rd line.
Tell me, if Buffalo’s players are so bad, why can’t Boyes get more minutes?
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idk why dont you ask lindy ruff why they shuffle their lines more than tortorella has over the past 3 seasons?
Maybe we can look at this objectively?
if a player can’t get more minutes a night (which is one of the reasons you said he was struggling), and his only real competition for those minutes are Leino, Roy, Ennis, Kaleta, and Stafford, don’t you think there’s something wrong with the player?
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Did I ever say he was? I only said that he was an addition over Rupp.
This is a conversation of Boyes versus Hagelin, so keep everything else out of it.
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i do watch these guys play. my feeling is, the rangers are 38-14-5 with the players they have. i don’t see the need to change that. my feeling was, if after the all star break they tailed off, then sure. they haven’t tailed off at all, one could argue they have gotten better. i just don’t see the need to disrupt that.
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injuries happen… look at last year.. hell look at the last few years. someone goes down with a significant injury whats the emergency plan? callahan blocks charas shot and was done for the year. the year before he got injured again by chara and missed the last stretch of games. a team that likes to block shots as frequent as they do should have depth in all areas.
If you really watched them play so much, maybe you would understand why he can’t break the top 6 on such a bad team?
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Stop saying that
Unless you’re a professional scout, no one cares how frequently you watch the Sabres play.
no because everyone wants to point out his lack of numbers. he plays with the same grit/intensity and would easily fit in as a ranger.
Barely any hits or blocked shots. Comparable to Anisimov in terms of those 2 numbers, yet people call AA soft.
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So what about Boyes?
He’s 6’0 and plays like 5"5?
They play a similar type of game, yet people call AA soft and Boyes tough.
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You took 7 inches off of Anisimov’s height, so I took 7 inches off of Boyes’ height.
They play a similar game.
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hahaha sure you’re right… why do i bother arguing with someone who knows every detail about every player in the league.
Why do you believe that you do?
Look in the fucking mirror.
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never said i did but you have a definite answer for everything.
well i first stated that IF he was acquired he would play on the 2nd line. torts has played hagelin on every line. hell he’s played everyone on the 2nd/3rd/4th lines outside of gabby. so why wouldn’t he play on the 2nd line? or why would they make the move if they intend to play him on the 3rd/4th line?
i kept talking about his play because he doesn’t play like a guy who only has 13 points this season. everyone goes through slumps.
the coach has every right to play other guys over him if he’s not performing but i think he’d perform better if he played alongside callahan and richards.
i said anisimov plays like he’s 5’9 because we all see how he doesn’t use his frame to his advantage most of the time. yet you had a definite answer for boyes because of why? you based it solely on stats.
i never made definite statements regarding hagelin.. other than if a top 6 forward was brought over he would most likely drop to the 3rd/4th line.. is that so damn hard to believe?
People bitch about Dubi struggling, and he’s got like 25 points.
Imagine how everyone will act when we trade for boyes and he puts up 4 points the rest of the way
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you use your stats when they’re in your favor yet you seem to forget knuble is doing worse than boyes and has played more games. you talk about how line mates and team changes don’t make a difference.. are you kidding? i doubt he even comes close to scoring 20 goals. such a fuckin hypocrite.
Let’s try reading my comments again, shall we? Or is that too hard for you, since we’re getting personal.
I wouldn’t mind either on the 3rd line, depending on who we give up, IF they are being played over Rupp.
Neither are better than Hagelin.
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no you’re missing the point. you talk about knubles consistency yet you seem to forget who he played with or what line he played on. if i was to discuss a potential acquistion you shut it down with your numbers, but knubles an exception. and rupp really? what do you have against him? he wasn’t brought here to score 10-20 goals he was here as an enforcer hell even to protect prust from having to fight everyone. plus his minutes aren’t that significant that it would even matter. if you’re gonna point out he misses the net from time to time so what so does half the team.
We do not need another grinding 3rd line player….it is not going to push us over the top and if we were in need of that, I’d go with knuble
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he had 55 points last year including being moved from one team to another registering 14 points in 21 games…
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 21, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
And on that same team this year, one of the worst teams in the league, he can’t play his way onto the 2nd line.
Yeah…
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
For reference, Brad Marchand was one of Boston’s best players in the playoffs, and he hadn’t seen a playoff game yet. Same with Seguin.
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True, but as I said above you just don’t know. And what I don’t know, worries me.
AA, McD and Stepan looked very overwhelmed last year. Do they get past that this year?
MDZ, Haggs, Stralman never have been to the playoffs. how are they going to react.
And these a pretty important players to our success that have question marks around them.
Not having some sort of insurance policy that goes beyond WW and Woywitka would not be wise.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I could be wrong here , but without actually looking and backtracking the Blackhawks cup run roster doesn’t jump out at me like a seasoned /veteran playoff team.
See below, I broke it down a little.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
the big difference
is that the hawks team that won the cup was pretty much the same one that had gone to the conference finals the previous year and lost to the defending champs
you can make the argument they learned a lot and their young guys picked up the experience that led to the championship a year later
the youth on the rangers has some experience, yeah, but it’s first round bouncings almost all around (i think dubi, staal, girardi and callahan are the only holdovers from the team that lost to pittsburgh in the second round four years ago….aside from hank)
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how come nobody mentions getting rid of Wolski……….get rid of Dubi, get rid of MDZ, get rid of blah blah blah….sure, i would place my prsopects with wolksi to get someone lesser then nash. hemsky or carter instead of Nash. Tony Amonte said it best, if Nash comes then everyone wants to play with the new toy as in sending him the passes only and such. And why, WHY, does people say we cant score?? Not our system people, we create scoring by being physical, not the prima donna crap out west…we are NYers, we are tough and make sure people walk out with black eyes. So, if u want flimsy flamsy hockey, move elsewhere..
because WW sucks at his price range?
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by feslenraster on Feb 21, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Lacking Playoff Experience...
is just another way to say “full of young talent.” Are we ready to bail on that? I hope not. This could be a great organization for years to come. Maybe if 1994 hadn’t happened, we’d need to get ONE Cup win. Sure, an experienced rental for a mid to low draft pick is fine, but then who do you sit?
A year from now, hopefully we can be saying ALL the guys on this team have real playoff experience. They have to play to get that experience.
You sit players that you don’t have a huge vested interest in their development, ex. Woywitjka, Eminger and possibly Mitchell.
Or you sit players that aren’t producing. Right now you have WW or Bickle (lol) coming off the bench if you want to sit somebody. As an example, and this is just a hypothetical example, but if Haggs is getting dominated physically and the long season starts to take a bit away from his speed as much as you want to get him playoff experience if dressing a vet increases you chance of winning then you do that. Becasue as much as it sucks to not get Haggs that experience, to hit the golf course early and have the likes of Stephan, AA, MDZ, Cally, etc… miss out on additional experience is not worth it.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
What makes you think Hags will hit a wall?
Up till this point he’s still dominating.
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He has never played so much hockey in his life especially at this pace and physicality.
Not saying it WILL happen but it is a pretty normal concern for players making a jump from NCAA to NHL.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell
there’s a reason Mitchell hasn’t sat.
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and that reason is….? Because we don’t have anyone better then him at this moment. Its not like he is irreplaceable.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He is a solid 3/4th liner
I really like his game.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell has played really well, and I doubt you’d find one guy in the organization that would disagree with that. hockey isn’t only about scoring goals. there is a reason they’ve only given up 114 goals, and it’s not only Lundqvist.
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No doubt he has done a good job but that is not to say you cant find an upgrade. If you can find a player that is an upgrade over him, brings some experience and doesn’t cost much why would you not do that deal?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
Id be fine with a vet rental for cheap.
If not unload wolski and mza for some picks and be done with it
by Pballer505 on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Richards is really the only one who has excelled with almost a ppg avg in the playoffs. You could make an argument for Henrik and maybe Gabby as well.
Feds – not taking anything away from him, he did have 2 very good playoffs runs but he also had 7 playoff seasons of where he put up 1g, 4p in 42 games.
Cally – Again not to take away anything but he has 9p in 27games. Granted last season was his big breakout year so you could expect he would have continued that play into the playoffs before he got injured but still the truth is you can not count him as one of your “guys on this team that have been to and excelled in the playoffs”
The rest, Staal, Girardi, Dubi, Rupp are far from being categorized as excelling in the playoffs.
In the end you are left with a total of 9 players out 22 that have any decent playoff experience. And less then 9 of players that have excelled. Not what I would categorize as “plenty”
And we have not even talked about that 5 out of the 7 defense have a COMBINED/TOTAL of 15 playoffs games.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
It would be nice
But there isnt really a whole lot to be had. So many teams are still in the playoff race and dont want to give up. Out of the few teams basically eliminated (Buffalo, Carolina, Edmonton, Columbus), I dont see any veteran players I would really want lining up for us in the playoffs.
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by feslenraster on Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Out of curiosity
Who were the core players that had long playoff histories on:
The 2010 Blackhawks
The 2009 Penguins
The 2007 Ducks
The 2006 Canes
I’ll leave out the Wings in 2008 because we know they were an experience heavy team.
Already I’m thinking that especially in the cases of the 2009 and 2010 champs, it might be as much of a matter of whether the players on those particular teams had experience playing together in playoff runs rather than experience in general. Both those teams had trips to the later rounds the previous year before winning it all. At the very least: Hank, Dubi, Cally and Staal all have a few years of making the playoffs together albeit short runs in aggregate.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions
I agree i think its overrrated. We have several gusy who have won cups and almost everyone on the team has been to playoffs before so im not remotely worried about a lack of playoff experience.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I will play:
Chicago:
Hossa 98 games
Toews – 17gms with 7g, 13p and 2 gwg. No much of a question make going into 2010
Sharp – 17 games with 7g, 11p and 2gwg.
Kane – 16gms with 9g, 14p
Ladd – 34gms
Seabrook – 17gms with 1g, 12p
True not a lot of experience persay but they had a very good idea that the players they had could perform in the playoffs going into next year. Same for the Penguins, I am too tired to do the rest.
Unlike DiesleCane thinks it is not just walking onto the ice and punching a clock and saying I now have 5 games experience. Some players perform better in the playoffs, some worse. Some it take 10 games to start playing with confidence. Some do it in their first game.
The concern I have is if you go down the list of current Rangers players you have a lot of unknowns, question marks. And one would think if a team is planning on a cup run they would try to address gaps or be prepared for the unknowns.
At too all who think experience doesn’t matter, so all the GM’s that make trades for players with playoff experience before they bring their teams into the playoffs are what, wrong? People that actually get paid to manage multi-million dollar hockey teams feel this is an important trait but yet you know better? Find me on GM for a team going into the playoffs who actually trades away playoff experience at the trade deadline and says I am looking to add inexperienced players because I think playoff experience is overrated.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think its punching a clock but I think you are way overemphasizing the NEED for that experience for success. It matter yes but its not the end all be all. The team as a whole has like 200 games of playoff experience, a Conn Smythe winner, multiple stnaley cup game winning goals. Its enough.
And your agruing something thats impossible to prove.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Are you reading what I write? I am not saying you have to have experience to have success. Though it can be argued that having experience in anything can make you more successful. I am saying that without that experience you lack the knowledge to know how a player will perform.
The team needs depth unless you are comfortable with WW and Wowyitka coming off the bench for an injury that is almost certain to happen. And by adding that depth you can also add playoff experience.
Prove? What am I proving? You are the one who stated it was overrated and years of history shows that GM trade for experience. Find me one quote from any hockey professional that says ‘playoff experience is overrated’. Until then I will lean towards believe them when they say it is important then you saying it is not.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Your undervaluing the experience we already have by stating we NEED to trade for more. My point is its impossible to quantify. Could it help? Sure. Is it guaranteed to help? No. The team si playign really well so unless your trading for a top 6 forward that can help us score and ALSO has a playoff pedigree I dont think its necessary to trade SOLELY for a playoff guys who been down that road. Most of this team has been to the playoffs and some have SC experience. i dont think we need MORE just for experience sake. You obviously feel differently but its impoissible to quantify either way. Your arguing feelings.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
McCabe
McCabe had tons of playoff experience, 56 games with TOR/NYR. did he help? he came in to fill a hole, but he didn’t help.
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and Derrick Morris and Nik Antropov. The list goes on and on for guys weve dealt for that brought us nothing that had some playoff experience. I think its way overrated. its the rare player that has a playoff pedigree of success AND fits an immediate need. Those guys are rare.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I am not saying look at the players with the most playoffs games and trade for them solely based off that stat alone. I am saying we need depth whether it is on the D or bottom 6 who also bring experience.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Im ok with bringing someone as long as they also fit another need like say Ray Whitney, proven scorer, playoff producer and stabley cup winner. THAT makes to me.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I had forgotten about Hossa’s runs with the Sens from earlier in his career. I knew he had back to back runs with the Pens then Wings so by default he was in the 40-50 games range. But damn 98 games by 2010, wow.
But as for their other keys, I think just being to the conference finals but losing helped them. In fact I’d imagine that a lot of Cup teams go through a process where they have a short playoff run or two (i.e. 1st round exits, swept in the 2nd round), a longer one (conference finals or lose in the SCF) and then finally hit paydirt. I could definitely be wrong but I’d like to know how rare it is for a team to go from an early round exit one year to winning it all the next. Then again the 93 and 94 Rangers went from not making the playoffs at all to winning it.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
this is correct. The 83 Oilers got swept and slammed in the finals by the Islanders winning their 4th straight cup. To a man the Oilers said that experience as their core, led them on to reverse the reult in 84 by slamming the Islanders and winning by sweep. It was the experience as a core that they got over the hump. Not adding players that had aplayoff experience. if we can’t add aliet guy that has experience Im not in favor or just adding someone for addings sake.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Oh of course it did, no doubt. To have experience you need to get experience. That is why last year it was important to just make the playoffs.
I guess where I am failing to make my point is this team is NOT experienced for the most part. Sure we have a few players that have it but overall nobody would look at this team and say it is a team of experienced playoff players (well actually some have).
And because of that I think we should manage our expectations a bit . It is more likely that we follow the same path as you have pointed out other teams as such have taken.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
as i mentioned above
the 2010 hawks went to the conference finals the year before and lost to the defending champ wings
the 2009 penguins were almost exactly the same team that lost in the finals the year before to detroit
the 2007 ducks were almost the exact same team that had lost in the conference finals the year before to edmonton
the 2006 canes were an anomaly i think
there’s something to be said for a team getting close, coming up short, and using that experience going into the next year’s playoff grind
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That would be my expectation. Or Conf finals this year, Cup finals next year, cup year after.
We have a solid 3yr window.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily think playoff experience
matters too much, but another vet helps and certainly another potential scorer would bring some depth…but…this team, I believe in them
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if you have a missing piece, or an injury, or need depth, you bring in someone hopefully with some playoff experience. if you’re winning and don’t really need someone, you keep going. you don’t break up your team and or start dumping guys who are part of the reason you are where you are to bring in an unknown just because he’s played in some playoff games. c’mon.
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the last month of the season is essentially games against the Eastern teams, most of those games have a playoff feel, or, have meaning. everyone is gunning for the rangers now. other teams are on the bubble. the intensity level of those games prepares the young guys for the intensity of the playoffs. just my opinion.
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this thread is about adding playoff experience. presumably as a rental… not looking to give up core players.
understood but
who do you consider to be core? who would you move to bring in this unknown entity?
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i stated earlier that bickel will probably be a healthy scratch hagelin would move down. and i doubt we would have to trade anyone on the current roster for a rental.
and Hagelin would still see time on the PK, 4 on 4 etc.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
yeah thats what i was getting at. not that i would bench hagelin. i really do like him but if we acquire a scorer odds are he moves down.
i think torts loves hagelin. and i think teams are going to start paying attention to him with match ups because he’s so fast and is so disruptive. i don’t think hegelin is moving anywhere, at least while he’s still playing like he is.
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exactly
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by feslenraster on Feb 21, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
does that guy from Columbus have any playoffs experience?
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
4 games. i wouldnt not trade for him becuase of it.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
didn’t Jeff Carter go to the SCF with the Flyers?
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by Kevin Power on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
yes and they lost in overtime he certainly has experience but I just dont like him.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
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by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Talent and Heart wins in the playoffs
I’ll take talent, effort and heart over experience in the playoffs. Afterall- our NYR have basically played “playoff” hockey all year- tight defensively, close checking, low scoring games.
Its not like we’re an offensive juggernaut that will crash in the playoffs because we suddenly start to see the other teams shut down our high scoring offense. We’re already used to that.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Probably a bit of luck too.
Boston won with good depth and obviously great goaltending, but they also went to 7 games in 3 of the 4 series they played in, particularly OT in game 7 of the first round. Any old time Boston fan would tell you that going to OT against the Habs in any playoff situation probably had them shitting their pants.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
agreed- most any playoff run requires some good luck ( David Tyree anyone?)
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
it’s so hard to win the cup. so many good teams. everything has to fall into place. it’s not about 2 or 3 guys, or a scorer, or experience. it’s riding the wave, the hot team down the stretch, momentum.
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and I forgot to mention the most important0 a red hot goalie- see Niemi, Blackhawks; Thomas, Bruins
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
absolutely the most important piece. hot goalies give a team a sense of invincibility.
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Might wanna check Camalleri’s stats too during that run. I think he led the entire league in the playoff goals and only played 3 rounds.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
he did well but IMO was an aberration and he makes tons of money his contract is worse
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
This has nothing to do with Cammi’s contract, but him shooting the lights out in the playoffs that year had a big part of the Habs shocking the Caps and Pens too.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Understodd but he hasnt produced like that before. he could be Jon Druce. people get hot, it happens but I doubt he replicates that type of feat
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
There was a wild scramble in game 7 vs the Devils in 94. I think it was Stephane Richer that narrowly missed the far post that saw an oustretched Richter stretching every last inch to try to divert i from sliding into the net. It didn’t go in and the Rangers went the other way and after Beuk hammered a slap shot off the glass the re-entry dump into the zone was tracked down by Matteau and the rest is history.
Likewise, Nathan Lafayette beating Richter but ringing it off the post in the heat of Game 7 vs Vancouver.
Hockey gods were smiling on the Rangers that year for sure.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
wolski
wolski has 27 games in the playoffs, 8 g, 9 a, 2 ppg
doesn’t that qualify?
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If he was on another team everyone would want to trade Hagelin, a 2nd, and Thomas for him.
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The game plan and approach to the game will be exactly the same for the Rangers as it is now. The players who know how to execute that successful winning game plan are on the team RIGHT NOW. Let them play and don’t mess with chemistry and a winning formula just for the sake of adding an outsider with “playoff experience.”
by I.Am.Spartacus on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
It's gotta be better than what we already have...
Even going back to the thread a few days ago regarding picking up an experienced defensman- If we do it they have to be much stronger than what we already have if we are giving up 2nd or 3rd round picks &/or a prospect. While Emminger is not my personal favorite, nor Bickell or Woywitka, they are after all the number 6 defensman. Not many teams have 6 top 4 d-men.
Same goes for the forward roles- unless you are picking up a strong scorer who can also play hard nosed defensive hockey ( and doesnt want one of those?) why give up picks and prospects for someone who may be marginally better than what we already have?
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions
For sure, you would want to look for an upgrade in the 3rd defense pairing and/or bottom 6. Keep who you have on the roster but now you have an upgrade and more depth.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
I say we give Wolski a shot
to earn a roster spot back. He sucked after coming back from injury, but he has played a few games down with the pack and I feel he should get a chance to help out the team before we ship him out.
He could be our “Cammelleri” of this playoff season.
Rupp lmao
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i don’t disagree, although obviously he is not thought of in a positive sense, particularly if they’re letting bickel play forward. he has 27 games of PO experience (which is what many on here think they need), he’s great in shootouts (not a PO consideration but they haven’t done well this year in shootouts), and he can score. if he does play well it’ll make his trade prospects brighter as well. if he sucks, then bench him again. talk about no risk.
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idk if three games is really going to be able to improve his stock value. he would have to play out of his mind.
he definitely would have to
and i agree, he doesn’t fit in well with the 3rd and 4th line, which is where you would sit a guy (rupp or bickel). you don’t mind moving hagelin down, so move hagelin in rupp’s spot for now (i like bickel) and put wolski up with the O guys and see what happens.
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I think you slot him with Mitchell and Hags
one forechecker, one playmaker/forechecker and one goal scorer
make that our third line
and have dubi/boyle/prust be our checking line
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Can WW play RW? Dont know if I have ever seen him there.
You would need to keep Haggs at LW so he can better use his speed to go around defenders while protecting the puck on his left side.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
Throw him on the 3rd line, and take out Rupp.
We need scoring, Rupp is bringing nothing to the table..
Why not try all alternative options before we make a move?
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He brings JAM> Now we just need somebody who can bring toast.
its a bit too late to try alternative options, we got 6 days left.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
I hope all this becomes something we can look back on and laugh in the future..
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Mike Knuble
I think the rangers can see if they can get Mike Knuble. He’s a big guy (6’3, 225), we can stick in front of the net on PP, consistent 20 goal scorer who was demoted to the 4th line this year causing his point total to go down. He’s been healthy scratched a lot lately, and there were rumors that the caps were looking to trade him (i live in DC so i get DC papers). I admit they might not be willing to trade him in conference, but I think its worth a shot. Also he’s a UFA at the end of the year.
I think that’s the type of the player the rangers should go after – big guy who can score on PP, and won’t cost a lot to get, whether it’s Knuble or not.
He’s been a healthy scratch in part because he has a bad plus/minus (seriously). Hunter’s bizarre, I wouldn’t read into his scratching
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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
AGAIN, who goes and who sits
are you gonna stick Knuble on the 4th line in place of Rupp?
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3rd.
Feds-Boyle-Prust become our amazing fourth line again.
And:
AA Step Gabby
Hags Richie Cally
Dubi Mitchell Knuble
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I was bitching and moaning about Boyes taking Hagelin’s spot, not bringing him in.
Let him play for Rupp.
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i wouldn't touch Knuble
and they wouldn’t give him up for nothing anyway.
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In agreement with some above posts, the only way to get our guys more experience is to let them play.
All of those years we got in as the 7/8 seed should suffice as “playoff experience”
Fact is, this is the first time in a LONG time that we’re probably going into the playoffs with real expectations. Let’s see how it turns out.
If a lack of experience hurts the team, we should consider bringing in guys with “playoff experience” next year, because I for one believe this team will be competing for the Eastern Conference title for the next 5 years at least.
However I believe we can get it done this year with what we have, especially with #30 hopefully continuing his stellar play between the pipes.
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions
I would hope by next year those that have little experience now will have more of it.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Knuble:
The guy has put up 40 points or more every year since 2002. He can slot in perfectly on our 3rd line and RW instead of Rupp, and the rest stays in tact. In 54 playoff games he has 27 points, so he brings some experience as well.
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Hags Richie Cally
Dubi Mitchell Knuble
Feds Boyle Prust
thoughts?
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what are we giving up to get him?
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by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
who goes?
who would the caps take? and talk about done, 39 years old, 3 g and 9 a in 56 games. i think when going for a rental, a required question is, what have you done lately?
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It’s going to be nearly impossible to find a rental of a player with cup experience who has succeeded lately. And if you do, be prepared to give up at least a 2nd and a 3rd to get him.
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I like Knuble but he was told he wont be traded. it was on nHLN
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
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Aren’t we talking about a rental here?
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yeah but him being a 40 point scorer since 2002 is about as significant as what he’ll do for the next three years.
I was making the point that he’s been consistent, because those years also include last year and the year before.
I’m talking about a rental. if he’s taking Rupp’s spot, he’s an improvement. That’s all I’m saying.
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Hes a big body, hes professional, he gets garbage goals and is excellent around the net. Would love Knuble but I doubt we get him. Agree on him.
The market reallys is lacking. If we cant get Nash(hypothectical) then you drop your sights down and look at Knuble(if possible) , Whitney who i love, Doan(unlikely) or Maybe Milan Hejduk. lets kick his tires he could be decent as a rental
by DieselCane22 on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
The market is slim.
If a guy like Dominic Moore is getting a 2nd rounder…
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he also played on the top line with backstrom and ovechkin during their highest offensive output seasons… but then again lines and teams don’t mean anything as long as the numbers tell the story you want them to…
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I think Knuble is a solid player. He was always a good presence on that line.
I doubt Wash trades him, being they are a couple points out, but I wouldn’t mind him on that third line if he came cheap enough. He’d fit in nicely I think.
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He’s been a healthy scratch during a lot of recent games. I think they removed his A too.
Hunter has really done a bang up job down there.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Failure
He’s been a healthy scratch during a lot of recent games. I think they removed his A too.
Hunter has really done a bang up job down there
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
The whole team looks like a mess right now..
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Japers Rink pretty much wants to sell everything that’s not bolted down.
Very reminisicent of the Mets. Lots of promising talent, horrific underachievement and then the bottom completely falls out.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
No. the guy's old and injured
I’d rather have some guy named…nvm :) just pulling you guys.
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by feslenraster on Feb 21, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Four Lines: (giving wolski a shot)
1st line: AA Step Gabby
2nd line: Hags Richie Cally
3rd line: Wolski Mitchell Dubi
4th line: Feds Boyle Prust
I’m fine with it.
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So now Dubi plays RW?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
question
as per topher0302’s comment, would you trade wolski for knuble straight up?
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ugh even Wolski is worth more than Knuble
by rain-g-errs on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
maybe late round
but I just don’t see Knuble adding much to the team.
we’re talking about Knuble now?? isnt he 50 or something? lets go back to talking about Nash please. Pretty please.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
lol
i guess the comparison was being made to boyes. what the rangers could get for a wolski+ (non-roster guys).
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who else is 50 with 10 points on the season.. maybe they’ll give us knuble plus the other guy for gabby. is there really nothing else to talk about? because this is degrading into madness lol
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
hey lay off the 50+ guys. ; )
he’s 39. and seemingly done.
personally, i’d rather be talking about Pittsburgh tonight. gotta shut Malkin down somehow. is the keys-to-the-game post up yet?
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not soon enough. though, trade talks will always take over. also, 39 is old enough. granted there are those who have played that long and aged fantastically, but Knuble is not one of them. He’s finished.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
he doesnt even hold a candle to selanne. that guy could play in a wheelchair and still put up 40 points a season.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
He won’t even need a wheelchair until he’s like 125.
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hahahah Keith Richards. how does that guy do it??
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
cigarettes and whiskey.
clean livin’ my man, clean livin’.
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i cant even imagine how he can still play guitar. his fingers and joints look so bunched up and mangled by arthritis.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
No, just his lips will be left, like Harvey Keitel in ‘Little Nicky’ when he almost wasted away.
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i don't know
on skates with a stick in their hands, i’ll take richards over tyler. i can imagine keith sitting in the penalty box smiling, and tyler being carted off of the ice with a blade sticking out of his head.
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I don’t like Knuble at all. Didn’t like him as a Ranger the 1st time. Don’t like him now. He is such an arrogant ass with his silent K. If he agreed to make the K in Knuble not silent, I would like him more. And probably give up a 2029 4th rounder to get him.
the K isnt silent its “Ka-Nuble”
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i always heard it with the k pronounced
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Okay, I have watched a few clips on youtube. It is Ka-nuble. Weird, the last 15 years I thought it was nooble. Now my whole joke is ruined. Please delete the entire thread and I’ll think of something new. LMAO
It’s supposed to be Ka-Nuble, but as we do with everything else in America, it becomes bastardized and a lot of folks just make a small sound before the ‘nooble’ part.
It’s worse because of his first name too. It’s Mike Ka-Nooble, but you hear Mikenooble.
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Sather added enough playoff experience this summer when he signed Rupp and BRich.
What about Paul Gaustad as a depth acquisition? Big body for the 3rd or 4th line but most importantly he’s great at faceoffs. We’ve seen in the Columbus game how important winning faceoffs can be.
And for all those who want a top 6 forward, what about Ales Hemsky? I know injuries are always a topic with the guy but he has a lot of talent and it’d be a rental. If Sather can get him at a reasonable price it might be worth it.
Hemsky would be in the dog house in 5 minutes
He’s soft and doesnt play defense, according to Oiler fans I know. They’re really hoping to get something for him before the deadline.
Also Gaustad said he wants to stay with Buffalo. I’m sure lots of players say that and I dont think he has a NMC so make of that what you will.
Yeah Hemsky doesn’t fit in here.
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I just suggested Hemsky because he’s probably the cheapest top 6 forward out there. If you don’t want to sell the farm you have to make compromises.
Absolutely.
People want a top 6 forward, that is a rental, that has cup experience, this is better than what we have now, and that fits into our system…
for like a 3rd round pick
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They should definitely try to add playoff experience
not in the next week, but in April, May and June to pretty much every player on their current roster. Can’t get experience for the young guys without playing them when the don’t have experience.
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Absolutely.
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Rick Nash took a shit today. Still no indication of wipe direction, which would tell us whether he prefers LA or NY.
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haha, rec.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 21, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
we all looked towards MSG
and the cigar smoke came up black…no Nash rumors to bombard you with
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it’s what it feels like right?
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Yes, it does. And this place has been like watching a Wes Craven directed adaptation of “The DaVinci Code.”
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hey now
@TSNBobMcKenzie: TB has traded Steve Downie to Colorado.
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Tampa Bay, now with 100% less douche.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, now how is Vinny LeCavalier supposed to clean himself?
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Figured on him going to a higher-in-the-standings playoff team.
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For Kyle Quincey. Gives Tampa a young, PMD for the future.
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and turns him around for DETs 1st rounder
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Which is probably going to be 25-30. So a borderline 1st/2nd rounder. I don’t get it.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yserman turned Steve Downie into a 1st
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I’m more impressed with him turning Moore into a 2nd.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 21, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa then
flipped Quincey to Detroit for a 1st round draft pick and sebastien piche
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what do you guys think of TBL's Teddy Purcell?
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