NHL Trade Rumors: Should The New York Rangers Save Money For This Upcoming Offseason?
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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PrintIt seems odd that a team who is a clear contender for the Stanley Cup would make a move -- or perhaps in this year's case not make a move -- for future gains. But that might be something Glen Sather evaluates with the NHL trade deadline less than a week away.
What I'm talking about is Zach Parise.
There have been rumbles that Parise might not want to sign with the New Jersey Devils this offseason, where he will become an unrestricted free agent. Currently Parise is making $6 million, a figure which will likely raise significantly if he hits the open market.
Of course, there is the risk in such a strategy. Will Lou Lamoriello let Parise hit the market? Or, maybe more importantly, will Parise commit to the Devils and lose a chance to test the open waters during the most valuable period of his career? Or maybe there's a better idea for the future, a better option than Parise.
Join me after the jump for more.
There are risks no matter what move Sather makes during the deadline. So let's evaluate them:
The Rick Nash Strategy: If Sather does, in fact, decide to trade for Rick Nash then he would be making a "safe" decision in regards to getting a potent goal scorer. There is no guarantee that Parise will hit the open market, and a player like Nash only becomes available in rare circumstances. The Rangers would get a star player right now who can help their power play and an offense that seems to stall from time to time -- two problems which would become deadly in the playoffs. Nash would alleviate those issues now. His contract could become an issue in the future, but any big name player the Rangers grab on the open market (including Parise) will have a similar contract.
The Save MoneyStrategy: The New York Rangers don't need Nash. They can use him, sure, but they don't need him; especially not at the price that Scott Howson will demand. Sather can make a few savvy trades at the deadline, bring in a veteran presence or two and make sure that the players he does bring in are on the final year of their contracts, or have cheap contracts. The Rangers are contenders right now, and don't need a big name to secure that, they can survive this year without one and can wait this offseason to pluck one of their rival's best players on their own terms. Of course, Parise may never hit the open market, but players like Shane Doan will be available this year and if Sather is patient then names like Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Jarome Iginla and even Sidney Crosby are scheduled to become free agents in 2013. Who know what will happen then?
The Big Spalsh For The Future Strategy: If Sather is absolutly set that he needs a goal scorer, then why not pay the premium for a player like Bobby Ryan? If Chris Kreider, Brandon Dubinsky and a first round pick would be enough to get Nash, it has to at least get the Ahaheim Ducks thinking about Ryan, right? The Ducks are currently dead-last in the Pacific Division, although they are only six points out of the eight and final seed in the Western Conference. Still, the Ducks were thinking about shaking things up earlier this year, has the team really changed much from then? Either way, if the Rangers are going to part with Kreider I would much rather it be for Ryan than Nash -- although, as I have said countless times, I wouldn't trade Kreider at all.
The Right Now Strategy: The Rangers might be contenders right now, but they need some help to secure that title. So waiting for the future isn't the best of ideas. This is not a Nash strategy. This is a strategy to make a move that helps the Rangers right now, with no regard for saving cap space for the future. This move also might entail making no significant moves, and keeping the entire core of this team together. Honestly, this plan has more to do with what's available on deadline day more than anything else.
Note: This is all speculation to create discussion.
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Kreider goes nowhere in a deadline deal…….I have to ask though……I read somewhere that Kreider may opt to not sign a pro contract with the Rangers, has anyone heard anything that suggests that might be the case?
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There are rumors
although where they were started from I have no idea. As far as I can tell, there is no truth to them at all.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
why would he not want to sign a contract?
Does he not want to sign with the NYR?
Does he want to finish college and then will sign?
Or is he thinking of another career? maybe teaching?
by truebluesince75 on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
The rumors are that he doesn't want to sign with the Rangers
again, I haven’t seen this from anywhere credible. This is just a matter of people jumping to conclusions because he spent a third year at BC.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
got it.
could be he is the rare kid who wants a college education.
by truebluesince75 on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
This played a little role in his decision
the coaching staff didn’t mind him staying at BC (because of their superior coaching staff) but they wanted him to go pro so they could groom him themselves. it was to get a college education.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Thought I remembered reading somewhere he wanted to finish his degree? Might be completely off on that though.
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no you’re right. he wants to and he was taking summer courses and what not to accelerate that process.. don’t know if he’ll be done after three years but it definitely helps.
He’s been taking summer classes every year in order to graduate a year early. There’s no reason to think why he wouldn’t sign a pro contract this summer. I don’t see him staying another year taking dummy classes just to play another year of college hockey, especially after he’s already graduated.
well i didn’t know for a fact that he was graduating this spring, i just knew he was taking summer classes the past couple of seasons to accelerate the process. he could still have a couple classes to complete but i wasn’t implying he wouldn’t go pro.
I honestly beleive Bobby Ryan is a great option for the Rangers. The cost won’t be as high as Nash and I think the contract is not that obscene either. Jeff Carter is another sound investment as well. I think Nash would be great on B-Way but the cost seems to be too high atm. I don’t beleive Parise will join the Rangers, so I am all for making a different move. This Rangers team, the one that got shut out last night, needs scoring help, that is the bottom line……I’m a fan of this team and winning. I don’t buy into the keep the chemistry together for the sake of chemistry……because even with chemistry we are flawed. With the current line up we can contend but will fall short. The team is flawed because it can’t score timely goals.
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I doubt we get Parise
and i hate the idea of signing former devils. Have any of these guys worked out?
Bruce Driver
John Maclean
Vladimir Malakhov
Bobby Holik
Scott Gomez
Obviously comparing Zach to any of those guys isn’t fair but I hate having to hate the guts of these guys then love them when NYR signs them.
I also doubt we get Zach because I think Lou will trade him to a team at the draft that he likes and then he’ll sign with them.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Gomez got us McDonough
so indirectly it worked out :)
by truebluesince75 on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget Rupp
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Who is Rupp?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We wouldn't trade with the Devils anyway
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
After thinking about it, Joe Reiter made a great point about a lot of the recent cup-winning teams. They made long runs in the playoffs the year before they won the cup. Most of those teams had a young core, just like us, that got their experience not by trading for it, but by acquiring it. It might be best for them to just go at it as is, with maybe a small addition at forward before the deadline, and then in the off-season they can work on making trades and re-tooling as needed.
When you make trades with deadlines and standings involved, I think it inflates prices and drives people to do stupid things. I like the “Splash for Future” strategy because a move like Bobby Ryan, or Carter, or Eriksson from Dallas (if he can be pried) etc. gives us a scorer, at a cheaper cost, which allows this team to keep its depth for the next number of years, while allowing them to be competitive.
I also think those free-agent scenarios will most likely not happen. Getzlaf is almost a mandatory re-sign, or he’ll be traded before his contract is up and re-sign elsewhere. Cindy? No thanks, not with that injury history, plus, nobody likes him, and you really think Pitt will let him go if he’s able to play? Same with Perry. Love to have Perry, or Getzlaf…but I doubt they get loose unless the Ducks have financial problems like the Devils/Stars who couldn’t re-sign their big-money players.
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I thought about that yesterday. Assuming the Rangers are willing to give up all these assets to get Nash, why not use them to get a goal scorer with a much better contract. Ryan and Eriksson are two very interesting options. I don’t know why some guys here want Carter but whatever… I don’t think Bobby Ryan or Eriksson would be available before the deadline but why not explore the option during summer?
but what this notion fails to point out is that the year before boston made a legit run their goaltending was in limbo and sub-par… and their cup was orchestrated by phenomenal goaltending
the year before chicago one the cup they had goaltending issues swapping between khabibulin and huet… when they won the cup they had a hot goaltender in niemi
further the year before pittsburgh won the cup fluery was not a strong tender, and the year they won the cup he was red hot…
anybody seeing a trend here… goaltenders proved to be the difference maker, and all the goatenders that won the cup were playing at the top of their game… lundqvist is undoubtedly at the top of his game right now… which means our push for the cup is now not in 3 years… when he’s starting to lose a step…. and once he’s gone who the fuck knows what happens…
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There’s little doubt in my mind Lundqvist can play a strong game until he’s 37 years old.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno the way he plays… one groin injury could be the deal breaker… he relies on his quickness post to post… believe me i want to see him play til his 40 at this level… but i don’t think it’s a realistic expectation…
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I think what has merit is that he is having a career year. Career years are just that, playing you best hockey in your career.
He could continue this next year and year after…but could being the operative word. Right now he have a goalie playing better then anyone in the world.
It’s a valid point.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
yes lundqvist is very athletic but he’s also extremely good positionally wise
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Plus he’s shown he can improve over the years, so if he knows he’ll lose an edge athletically as he ages, he will work on other facets of his game. Maybe puck moving for once?
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by Scratch and Snif on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ok right now Lundqvist is at the top of his game and the NHL
Even if he dips down to league average by the time he’s 37 i’d still consider him a good option at starting goalie.
He will get slower and not make as many fantastic Lundqvist-esque saves, but I’d be surprised if he was out of the league by the time he’s 37.
But that’s just me and who knows what happens between now and then.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
My dad put it this way a few weeks ago
“this team needs to learn how to win…before they can win”
What he means is that some teams need to see another team win the Cup first hand so that in a sense they learn what it takes to win it themselves. When it comes to winning a Cup not only does it take talent and preparation but I think it takes a certain mindset that needs to really be experienced and not something that can be picked up at the deadline.
I truly believe that this team can make it through the Eastern Conference but I don’t think they can get past the Red Wings or the Canucks since they have that ephemeral mindset that it takes to actually win the Cup
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Absolutely true.
Though I think Henrik might explode into flames with all that fire in his belly wanting to win it all.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also, not to piss on their spectacular season, because that’s what it is, but the East sucks. I’m sorry, but…the Devils…have 2 players and an ancient goalie..Philly? Their goalies couldn’t stop a beachball. Pittsburgh? Crosby’s out…and they have no depth (Staal being back changes that a bit) and Fleury is still a question mark on given nights…
There’s Boston, and NY. Rest of the East is ass. I agree with your assessment.
Though with the way the West is, they might just kill each other off and we win by default.
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I agree on almost all points but your selling Pitt short. Malkin is good enough to win a series by himself without Crosby and they get scoring on 3 lines plus some D. Fleury is also really good when hes on his game as he proved when they won the cup.Pitt is good enough to beat anyone in the East without Crosby. With him they are the best team IMO>
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I…didn’t mean to sell them short. That team runs on Malkin right now. If he’s not going or one of their other top guys like Fleury falls short, they’re not going anywhere. One-trick ponies never go far. I agree though, they can be very dangerous, I just don’t see them going far.
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yea makes sense. They scare me though. I do not want to face them in any capacity in the playoffs. We do not play well against them and they have almost universally beaten us at playoff time.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve morphed themselves into a good defensive team, so it’s tough to score on them, especially when you don’t shoot. They also aren’t that scary on offense. It just takes playing smart against Malkin/Neal. They didn’t do that much outside of the breakaway in terms of great chances.
They got a goal on an awful mental error on 3 Ranger players and a lucky ass-deflection shot on a PP from a poor penalty.
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
You make a good point. I remember Gretzky saying that his Oilers learned a lot the first year they made it to Cup finals and lost to the Islanders. He specifically remembered how the Islanders locker room was so different from the Oilers; all the Isles players looked they had just gone through a war while the Oiler’s players were barely scratched. They learned what it took to be champions and then the next year they went and did it (beating the 4-time champions to boot).
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they saw management, owners, wives & girlfriends celebrating with the cup, but most players getting treatment for a variety of injuries
kevin lowe told gretzky as they got on the bus “that’s why they won and we lost, they paid the price we wouldn’t”
a year later, before game three of the finals in edmonton, they’re getting dressed in the locker room and gretzky notices lowe wearing this flack jacket as he’s putting on his jersey
“kevin, what the hell is that?”
“i hurt my ribs, might be cracked, this helps protect em”
gretzky knew then they’d started paying the price to win, and two games later the oiler dynasty began
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wait, why did you need to think about it?
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Whatever happens...
Trade rumors…justa few days and its over..I guess some guys might feel it,,some kind of pressure..etc.well.if nothing happens,,,big deal..some guys here alredy suggested that Torts could change lines a little bit,for example…try play Richards with Gabby,,he is better passer than Step.and see..Richards had beeb brought here mostly as a center to help Gabby,,in play-offs ,games will be decided by one goal..just an idea..Go rangers!!! GO!!
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Antoine Vermette was just traded to Phoenix so we know Phoenix wont be sellers. They got a 2nd, a 5th and Curtis McilHenny
interesting part about that is Curtis Mcihenny is a goaltender
so, maybe Nash to LA for Bernier+ won’t be happening.
still though
I would think with the addition of Bernier they would make Mason a backup and label him as a work in progress, he put up great numbers before: maybe the kid can get his act together with some competition.
McElhinney is not a has-been, he’s a never-was. He is a career minor-league goalie who has moved five times since he got into professional hockey.
He is just someone to have “in case”…
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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A 28 year-old goalie with 69 total games in 7 years. That means nothing about what is happening with the LA deal.
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think the point of it was then?
Goalie for their AHL club?
So you would give up the chance to get a better, younger goalie just because you made this deal? Maybe he becomes a throw-in in another deal. Who really knows?
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is likely or they plan to move Mason too if they can and will let him just get shelled the rest of the year
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fail for Nail.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yup and he can become the next russian to flop in americas heartland following Zherdev and Filitov
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Or Ovechkin, Kovalchuck, Semin and countless others too
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Unless I missed a big trade, they never played for CBJ. I think that was the little joke.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus isn't a bad place for hockey
Miami of Ohio and Ohio St. have big hockey programs in the NCAA. I think the Blue Jackets just need more of a grassroots campaign akin to nashville.
And yes, I missed the sarcasm in your original post. Sorry
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
All jokes aside, it’s a great place for hockey, but that team has been poorly managed from day 1. That whole team needs to be thoroughly rebuilt from the management on down.
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
Colombus would be a decent, hell, even good team if they drafted and developed right. But they never have. Instead of letting potential stars/solid NHLers toil in the minors, honing their games, they immediately throw them into the fire. Sometimes it works out (Nash), many times it hasn’t (Brule, Brassard (to this point really), etc…)
McElhinney was included because Phoenix needed to get under 50 contracts.
by BuckarooClub on Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Buck is right on this.
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by nathansfamous on Feb 22, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously wonder
if it will matter who we bring in as far as our power play is concerned. Comparing the style or strategy of NYR to PIT last night was night and day. The Pens are constantly moving, while the Rangers are mostly stagnant and repeating the same things power play after power play. Sticking Nash or Carter or Gretzky into this power play strategy won’t change a thing. Torts needs to take the PP over NOW.
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by Stepan the Ice! on Feb 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions
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Now that Columbus is starting to trade off assets Rick Nash is next. Happy Nash Wednesday Rangers fans.
Love it. Happy Nash wednesday people.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions
Or carter but it wont be long before both are gone. I doubt it comes down to the last minute but who knows.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Niewendyuk would literally go into the bathroom, take a dump in the toilet, then throw the phone in there before flushing.
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THIS IS INSANE. I wouldnt trade a roll of toilet paper and used crack pipe for that 4some.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and a 3rd rounder for Eriksson. That’s still overpaying a bit but I’d still do that.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
that’s not overpaying at all. at least i don’t think so. eriksson is a year older than dubi, makes the same amount and puts up 60-70 points.
Sorry, Sir..that’s overpaying. Ask for a second player back if you’re offering that much for Errikson. Throw in Wolski and ask for Robidas in return.
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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow I thought our drafting was putrid for a long stretch but look at Columbus
Literally Nash is the only impact player theyve ever drafted and they consistently have drafted top 10 for 12 years. NUTS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Columbus_Blue_Jackets_draft_picks#First_round_history
That team, from the owner down to the guy they employ to scrape gum off the seats has been a total failure.
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
Trading for Nash would be like trading for Carmelo Anthony.
Only difference is there aren’t any great Chinese hockey players to actually make people give a shit again (and the Knicks still suck).
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
Maybe. I dont think nash is nearly as selfish as Anthony. They also traded for a guy in Anthony that doesnt fit the system of the coach. Its doomed to fail until D’Antoni si gone but I think nash would be fine.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Before people start frothing again, I was just making a joke.
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Richard Park or Paul Karya may be available
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pic caption fun
Glen: "Hey Dolan, what the hell is that guy playing with?
Dolan: “I believe they call it a smart phone or I am smart phone or something like that. Apparently you can type stuff to people with it, so that you don’t have to talk to them”.
Glen: “Wow. I could use that”.
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by middletownbull on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
“This one guy on that Rangers website that hates you and me even said he uses it to oil his hummer.”
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
well
scott? give me nash for zuccarello, dubinsky, and i’ll burn the negatives
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+1
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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Derrick Brassard
I would not mind skipping over Nash and Carter and making a smaller deal for Brassard. Solid on PP, decent offensive output. Kind of a free spirit, which might not work for Torts, but a quality offensive piece that would cost us a package of picks and a decent prospect.
Plus
He’s a center. Decent faceoff guy. Quality piece, not a rental, young…might be a good player to consider.
I doubt he’s moving. He’s a young, future piece for that team. They’re having a fire-sale, not a full-on liquidation.
Rick Nash Banter
"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
CAR and Tuomo Ruutu agree to terms on a four-year extension with an AAV of $4.75M
Back to Bobby Ryan....
Is Ryan that good or is because he plays with Getzlaff and Perry?
“IF” (just spitballing here) he were to come to the Rangers who does he paly with; will he fit Torts system; does he do as well without Getzlaff and Perry ? Thos two guys could make me look like a good scorer too.
"Shoot the Puck Barry, Shoot the puck !" Bill Chadwick
by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions
ah of course the “chris drury” effect if you will. course he had a great rookie year. the dude played on a line with sakic and forsberg. forsberg of course being the man who said “the nhl isn’t competitive enough”
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"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
oops. appearing to be really good based on who you play with on a line. i was making a joke and got distracted and posted my response before finishing it. my b
i was going to say that they aren’t the same at all. bobby ryan has a wicked shot, straight up goal scorer. sure he plays with top talent but he’s still a sniper.
i would agree with what you said, couldnt be more dissimilar
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"We'll Win Tonight" - The Captain
"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
Yea I was gonna say; Bobby Ryan was drafted 2nd overall…he’s in a different stratosphere in terms of talent.
i agree. thats what happens when you’re in the middle of writing a comment and your boss sneaks up behind you. premature postage
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"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
lol i’ve had that happen to me, but in class
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agree. Playing with great players doesn’t automatically turn you into a goal-scoring machine, but it will enhance the already-existing ability.
Ryan is big, if somewhat lanky, but does have phenomenal hands. Even if he is getting great passes, you still need to be able to finish the play. He does. A bunch of players on this team receive great passes from Richie, Step, Gabby, MDZ etc. but don’t finish, or have a poor shot.
I’d be willing to give close to the package CBJ wants for Nash for Ryan instead. I don’t think it happens this season, but sometime in the off-season before the draft, if he’s available.
Marc Staal’s name might even come up again. With the emergence of McD/MDZ and Erixon, he might become expendable to add quality scoring. Not that I’d advocate for it at this point, but it is something to consider. If it happens now, Staal, 1st, 3rd, couple decent prospects for Ryan/Visnovsky. Prolly have to include Dubi too. That’s to keep Kreider, otherwise it’s Kreider, 1st, 3rd, prospects, Dubi too maybe?
Spitballing really.
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
concussion-aside, do you think staal hit his ceiling?
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"We'll Win Tonight" - The Captain
"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
i think it’s too soon to make that judgement. and although i hate to say it i think because we have more depth at defense i’d be more willing to move staal over kreider.
No, I figured on him making some more small improvements this year, and possible top-out in his ability next year. The concussion set him back obviously, and missing training camp really hurts (especially camp Torturella).
But, in all honesty, if you have similar players available to fill a role who are younger, cheaper, and can contribute close to that value, he could become expendable, and Anaheim has a big need for a top shutdown D.
Rick Nash Banter
"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
two very good points. and we do have a very healthy logjam of capable young defensemen. all of a sudden actually too.
which leads me to my next point. man i hope sauer is ok.
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"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
in a year or two we could be looking at staal, girardi, del zotto, mcdonagh, erixon, sauer, mcilrath.
do we keep all of them?
i didn’t include stralman, bickel or eminger because i don’t see them being here long-term.
I think McIlrath replaces Sauer, most similar style. He will need a year in the AHL, meaning he could come up the following year jsut as Sauer’s contract is up.
McIlrath definitely needs to quit it with the headshots and high hits though. He’s worrying me a bit with that; he’s got to get broken of that habit.
Homo homini lupus est - Human beings are wolves to each other
If Matt Cooke can cut down on his stupid penalties, for the most part, then so can McIlrath
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 22, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think when he Drury effect he means...
The Bure, Gomez, Naslund, Barnaby, Holik, Lindros, Shanahan effect…….
I love Shanny, and Naslund,played well, and I grew up hating Lindros That effect.
Believe!!!!!!!!
"... for the first time in his tenure, I can't see the method behind the madness. I'm officially skeptical. If he's got a plan, he's doing a great job of keeping it to himself right now. And he'd better have a plan because, much as he told us he thought this roster was good enough as currently constructed, it's not. It's just not
dubisnky is looking more and more like Drury. Signed big contract, no longer scores….
"Shoot the Puck Barry, Shoot the puck !" Bill Chadwick
by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 22, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
If Dubi was having a season like the 2 that Drury had after signing that deal no one would be complaining.
+1
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
Every time McDonagh plays a game in a Rangers jersey, a Canadiens fan sets a car on fire.
"I'm not a screamer or yeller. If I would try to scream and yell at people, it's not what I'd naturally do. So if I tried to do that, it would be awkward, I think." - Eli Manning
Ryan is good. Hes fast he has elite hands and can score. Playing with good players always helps but he is excellent. have you seen this video of him scoring with an opponents stick thats opposite of his shooting hand?> Also did you see the laser wrist shot he buried on Lundqvist earlier this year from 40 feet out?
by DieselCane22 on Feb 22, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure Ryan isn't playing with Getzlaf and Perry anymore
maybe PP but that’s it.
His normal line is Koivu Selanne and Ryan.
which is still pretty sweet hehe.
At this point it would have to be Kreider.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
agreed it would be kreider right no1
but neither are going anywhere … one would think ….
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
St. Louis
Why not? Tampa is breaking up the party and St. Louis has history with Torts and he scores big goals. The more I think about it the more I like it. Dude is CLUTCH
Tampa is not breaking up any party
and they need the goaltending we can’t offer them
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
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"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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I disagree. Kubina and Downie so far. I am sure they would give up Vinnie in an instant and they are looking to build youth around (Hedman and Stamkos).
No team in the East is breaking up their teams this year
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 22, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
can we just get him to not play against us?
guy scores at least once every time we play them it seems
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The dude plays big. I’d be happy to have him. He competes all over the ice and would be a stud with Richy.
i really wanted him to get into a fight with Zuke last year, never materialized…
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I always wondered if I’d ever meet a fan of midget mud-wrestling. Scratch that off the bucket list.
Rick Nash Banter
"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
lol indeed, this is what made the days of old theo fleury so exciting
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
still one of my favorite pictures
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"We'll Win Tonight" - The Captain
"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
hahaha yes!
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
“Hmmm, you look like a Priest I once knew….SMASHSMASHSMASH”
Rick Nash Banter
"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
you wanna go pretty boy? yeah you - in the stands!
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"We'll Win Tonight" - The Captain
"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
This is obviously an amicable conversation between Theo and a fan
Where the fan’s point is to question Theo’s athletic ability within the realm of Ice Hockey. Theo’s counterpoint is simply to prove that his athletic ability is more than sufficient.
He proved this by stating “I wake up every morning and piss excellence good sir.” He then shouted “say another word, I will shove this stick up your Ass!”
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
-Yogi Berra
by middletownbull on Feb 23, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
that has a look of
“Man I really have to piss on that Devils jersey”
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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Moore just got a 2nd. That makes St. Louis worth like 3 1sts.
Rick Nash Banter
"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
Lets Trade for
Parros , Orr , call up newbury and Deaveaux and just Goon it up the rest of the season
Best Celebration Ever : Artem (SHOTGUN) Anismov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2K31bF2HxM&feature=player_embedded
Daniel "Mustache" Carcillo YOU GOT FUCKED UP " Haley vs Carcillo "http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/104339
" Can You Hear Us" Best Chant in Sports History !!!!
get Purinton out of retirement
Apologize to Brashear to get him to re-sign. Get Joe Kocur, Claude Lemieux, and Darren Mccarty
HENRIK LUNDQVIST OILS LIKE HE'S GETTING A HIMMER. DO YOU?
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lmaooo
darien hatcher as well and we got a squad thats fun to watch !!!
Best Celebration Ever : Artem (SHOTGUN) Anismov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2K31bF2HxM&feature=player_embedded
Daniel "Mustache" Carcillo YOU GOT FUCKED UP " Haley vs Carcillo "http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/104339
" Can You Hear Us" Best Chant in Sports History !!!!
by Fire Renneyy on Feb 22, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
i signed aaron boogaard in NHL 12, man i miss the boogeyman, RIP Derek
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
and why not
ogie oglethorp, clarence swamptown, andre lussier, gilmore tuttle, tim mcracken…..?
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
not poodle
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
And please don't forget
Darren Langdon or Ryan Hollweg.
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while...you'll miss it." Ferris Bueller (1985)
by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is how i study for a Bio exam tommorow
Scan the threads all day and Google rangers trade rumors every 10 minutes
Best Celebration Ever : Artem (SHOTGUN) Anismov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2K31bF2HxM&feature=player_embedded
Daniel "Mustache" Carcillo YOU GOT FUCKED UP " Haley vs Carcillo "http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/104339
" Can You Hear Us" Best Chant in Sports History !!!!
i have a physics exam at 6:15 that’s what im doing lol
you a bio major?
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately so =(
Best Celebration Ever : Artem (SHOTGUN) Anismov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2K31bF2HxM&feature=player_embedded
Daniel "Mustache" Carcillo YOU GOT FUCKED UP " Haley vs Carcillo "http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/104339
" Can You Hear Us" Best Chant in Sports History !!!!
by Fire Renneyy on Feb 22, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
lmaooooo
Best Celebration Ever : Artem (SHOTGUN) Anismov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2K31bF2HxM&feature=player_embedded
Daniel "Mustache" Carcillo YOU GOT FUCKED UP " Haley vs Carcillo "http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/104339
" Can You Hear Us" Best Chant in Sports History !!!!
by Fire Renneyy on Feb 22, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
me too sir, me too
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why not see how far we go this playoff series first, before we mortgage any part of our future? Who said it is all or nothing this year? Why not wait and see how we fair in the playoffs, before we assess what we need? yes, we need more goal scoring, but lets see how we step up our game in the post season. Really, what is going to change from this season to next that will negatively affect us next season? I say not a thing, because,IMO, our additions and subtractions should be a net positive. Yes BR,HL, and others will be a year older, but all our youth will have a years more experience. Plus, what veterans we lose, will be replaced by eager, young rookies, looking to make a statement.
We really have had no really bad streak this season, and almost every team goes through one, or even two. Funny thing is, and it may be tough to follow my logic here, over half the games we lost, were winnable. Several games we lost could have gone either way due to a lucky bounce or a good / bad call. How many times did any of you feel we were completely out of a game with no chance?
Saying all this, since I believe that our core group will not change much at all from this season to next(Unless through a trade or catastrophic injury), lets see where we stand post, post season, before we address any further needs through a major trade.
I guess I could sum up this post with two words, " stand pat."
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
Nash, Hash, Gash, no one rides for free!
Nash, Hash, Gash, no one rides for free!
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
Nash, Hash, Gash, no one rides for free!
by nathansfamous on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well there is quite a difference to standing pat and making sure you team has enough for success.
I would like to see what the core can do and not break them up but you still have to address the lack of quality depth on the bench and 3rd D pairing with Sauer out.
Remember back to 94, Lidster coming in fro the bench was a HUGE piece of us winning.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
i like booby ryan. or louis erikson as a trade right now.
we need more skill and talent on the wings. Our chemistry will be improved, plus two players are better than one big gun contract to dispose of later if need be.
by Stuart Pinnetti on Feb 22, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
both those two aren't going anywhere being on playoff contending teams.
the west is too close
Oh guys btw
Started a gm mode in NHL 12 to see what I would have to do to get Rick Nash
Wolski, Avery, and a 1st round pick. DO IT GLEN!
HENRIK LUNDQVIST OILS LIKE HE'S GETTING A HIMMER. DO YOU?
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions
lol sweet, i got him for anisimov and a few 2nd rounders i believe
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
LOL scratch that, i checked, i got him for wade redden and 3 draft picks HAHAHAHAHA i totally forgot about that
"I was thinking, like, just to jump him and beat the fuck out of him, but I didn't wanna get suspended for the Winter Classic, you know?" - Brandon Prust
HEN-RIK
by BombersGmenBlueshirts25 on Feb 22, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm three years deep into a Be a GM
got ryan for a 1st, Chris Johnson and Wade Redden
Picked up Dustin Penner for Wolski straight up (Penner ended the year with 45 goals, Wolski had 21 each had 16 when I made the deal)
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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make that
CHAD Johnson, not Chris
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Follow me @8kpower
lol i got ryan and eriksson for 2 draft picks wolski zuccarello stralman and avery!
eriksson-richards-ryan
hagelin-stepan-gaborik
dubinsky-anisimov-callahan
fedotenko-boyle-prust
i may have cap issues tho lol
would rather
Eriksson Richards Ryan
Anisimov Stepan Gaborik
Hagelin Dubinsky Callahan
Fedetenko Boyle Prust
if we could go back in time and traid for those people in RFA years :)
great logic…nice argument and very persuasive
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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Hahahahahaha
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"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
by Papa T on Feb 22, 2012 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Andrei Kostitsyn
anybody??
-UFA at the end of this season.
-3.25 mill cap hit
-consistent 40-55 scorer with around 20 goals
-could gel with other russian players on team
-27 years old
Traid for Woski+ haha :) fleece montreal some more
I'd throw in Scott Gomez too lol!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Feb 22, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I was just reminding you how we fleeced Montreal before :)
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Feb 23, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
aren't the sabres in rebuild too
maybe we can pry Derek Roy off their hands :)
First question we should ask of a lot of the guys we are “coveting” is:
Is he a Torts player? I think Kostitsyn has been blasted in the past for not playing any defense. The answer to our question, therefore, is no. He is not a Torts player.
@DigDeepNYR
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Blueshirt Banter
The word consistent and Andre Kostitsyn should never be used in a sentence ever again.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
Every time McDonagh plays a game in a Rangers jersey, a Canadiens fan sets a car on fire.
"I'm not a screamer or yeller. If I would try to scream and yell at people, it's not what I'd naturally do. So if I tried to do that, it would be awkward, I think." - Eli Manning
Can’t ever be used in the same sentence.
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while...you'll miss it." Ferris Bueller (1985)
by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 6:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
kostitsyn.. could help us come playoff time..
by Stuart Pinnetti on Feb 22, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions
No he would not.
I have a man-crush on Anisimov
Every time McDonagh plays a game in a Rangers jersey, a Canadiens fan sets a car on fire.
"I'm not a screamer or yeller. If I would try to scream and yell at people, it's not what I'd naturally do. So if I tried to do that, it would be awkward, I think." - Eli Manning
Semin is UFA next year too :)
hahah 6.7 million cap hit though ouch…
I want nothing to do with that guy at any price.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
This. Only if he was free, then, maybe.
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
Nash, Hash, Gash, no one rides for free!
by nathansfamous on Feb 24, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
They need to save money. Don’t overspend, and they can’t get locked into long term contracts.
The Salary Cap is definitely going down after the new CBA is agreed upon. But here’s the problem, it will probably go up before then. It might not be as easy on the teams as it was last time. Keep it simple, you never know what’s going to happen and Glen has to be smart.
If you can, maybe add a veteran (Rental on a 1 year deal). Whitney would’ve been perfect but it looks like Phoenix is buying, not selling.. There is no need to go crazy this year. Add a rental for the right price, or try to win with what you have now.
With Parise, I think he ends up staying with Jersey (Especially since they’re having a great year).. But if he doesn’t, Minnesota will probably give him some crazy amount of $$ over a crazy long term. He would be a great addition to the Rangers but I don’t see it happening.
twitter.com/NYRangers365
Wow
Reading some of these post made me stupid. I’ve said this the whole time the kings and flyers were smoke screens to raise the price on the rangers, Think about this i’m the GM of the bluejackets why would I trade nash to the kings? The kings are the only team willing to take carter so I get my prospects there, then I trade nash to the rangers and bring in more pieces. This makes most sense and restocks your system.
Or why trade Nash at all?
Test the markets now, hold onto him past Monday and on Draft Day walk around the floor to see what the offers will be. It’s not like Nash’s contract is expiring; Columbus is under no pressure to make a deal. Howson is as good as gone anyway so he’s playing with house money (though i do not think he’s the one calling the shots on these trade rumors, I think that’s coming from someone more higher up in the food chain)
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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As bad as CBJ is
This year they don’t know need a complete blow up to at least be competitive for the playoffs. Not saying they’re a Cup contender, god knows they aren’t any time in the next few years but if they didn’t keep thinking Steve Mason’s rookie year was anything but a fluke and were willing to bite the bullet on a deep discount on Carter they have a few decent sized contracts coming off the books this year to give them some flexibility to bring in better players for next season.
Plus, look at the Western teams hanging around the bottom seeds in the playoff picture, they’re a far cry from the Wings, Blues and Nucks. It’s just a question of whether they let Craig Patrick effectively steer the ship through the draft and free agency period.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 22, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think it is the opposite. I think Darth Sather is driving the price of Nash up higher for LA so he can Get Carter for nothing.
if the 'lanche keep this up tonight
nash will be a king by friday
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
If the price is too high for Nash, LA will most likely go with Carter.
Then Slats is in a one horse race for NAsh but I don’t see CBJ just giving him away, so will take him off the block till draft time.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
LA is getting the shit kicked out of them
if nash gets dealt, i’ll be shocked if it’s not to hockeywood
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
Call
Call tampa and check on st louis just see what the deal is
Stop it. He can be had at a FAR lower price then Nash.
by Twigs on Feb 22, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Point is...
They aren’t going to trade him so if Sather even asked I’m sure, sarcastically and not, they would ask for Hank.
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 22, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
What about a Cup of Hanks Sperm + 1st Rounder and Redden to CBJ for Nash ??
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…….and how long did we have to suffer watching him before McDonagh happened?? Devil players seem to only be able to perform for one team……THE DEVILS!!!
by I hate people on Feb 23, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Sign me up for the "Right Now Strategy"
Add a veteran winger that has been known to put the puck in the net, looks like Phoenix isn’t going to be selling so we can scratch Whitney off that list.
This group of players is a little bit beyond “might be” for contenders. Even with the bumps in the road lately the Rangers are still having a lights-out season.
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The short-term options are dwindling. The Yutes are buyers not sellers. Smyth is not going anywhere, Ruutu is re-signed. so what next? Punt and just go into these playoffs and hope for the best? and then next year maybe Kreider and the next wave of young players comes aboard? I think fans that say “do nothing” may be disappointed unless you don’t care about winning the Cup this year. If the Rangers go .500 or near the rest of the year when all the teams pick up their play heading into the playoffs then that will be a good gauge and that would spell trouble. If they continue their current pace then that means they could very well contend.
Unfortunately I think it’s the former if they do nothing. And writers are saying that Sather is spending so much time on Nash that maybe other options are not being explored. I don’t know but it appears that way. Of course Glen could come up with the trade that no one has heard of. I think they need something to contend. We’ll see but players like Gaustad need to be looked at because it can’t be Nash or bust at this point.
We have a paul gaustad
His name’s Brian Boyle.
I personally think for the Rangers it is Nash or bust because what’s the point in overpaying for a guy like Mikhail Grabovski that could walk at the end of the year. Not to mention the Rangers would even try to re-sign Grabovski at the end of the year.
I hate the fact it’s Nash or bust but it is what it is.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 22, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
We also had guys named Nemchinov and MacTavish on the team at the same time. Having 2 solid defensive centers is not a bad idea. I like having warriors for the playoffs.
If we cant upgrade our offense we should switch tactics and look to be more sound defensively. Addressing faceoffs is not a bad idea. Gaustad is 11th in the league in faceoff win %
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 5:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s what it’s come down to quite honestly. Eevry other option has dried up or at least it appears like they have. Maybe that’s why Glen is spending a lot of time on Nash, as there is nothing else out there worth pursuing. I mentioned in the D thread a couple of days ago that there were rumors that the Rangers were in on Kyle Quincy to some extent but he went elsewhere.
Brooks saying Glen offering Dubi, Thomas, McIlrath, and a #1 for Nash. That doesn’t get it done but replace McIlrath with Erixon? I think Erixon will be special, so???? I don’t know but I don’t think the Rangers have enough offense right now. Gaustad would fit into the Rangers’ system and possibly, I say possibly, add some offense. But his #s do not indicate that.
If Dubi would start scoring goals then all this is moot. Dubi has exactly 14 goals from Jan 1, 2011 until today. I love Dubi but that doesn’t cut it. Good PKer and defensively or not.
another guy is Mike Knuble. He’s not doing much this year but he’s a great character guy and I feel a very low risk move like this would help for the playoffs. Putting him on the 4th line and giving that line more of a threat to chip in a goal or two could be helpful. Caps are tanking as Vokoun is done due to age. low draft pick for Knuble?
I know a few have really trashed him but as you say plug him in on the 4th line could help.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
what would he cost? a 4th or 5th rounder? Who knows? a guy like that could be motivated to win a Cup and can add something to the team. sometimes a subtle move pays big dividends. if the Rangers don’t get Nash or some scorer then they will have to be even tighter defensively to succeed.
Actually it seems its always those subtle moves that pay big dividends. It really always comes back to depth if you go long series. You are bound to have a injury.
Is Knuble tearing it up? No but he gives you options in case of injury. He is shooting 4% which is down from career of 13.9%. I cant believe his shot would just disintegrate just like that.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
The Caps’ situation is bad. That team has collapsed and it’s taking everyone down. The injuries to Backstrom and Greene have been crippling and it turns out Vokoun has nothing left (a shame because he was a great goalie). The Caps almost need to blow it up and seriously consider where Ovi fits in all of this. Don’t give me “face of the franchise.” Right now that franchise is dying so what’s the point? I think Knuble could possibly add something. Again, it won’t cost much to find out. And maybe they should look into it anyway, Nash or not.
Agreed. Maybe we should try for Ovi instead ;)
In fact even with Nash you still should take a look since you would most likely swap a roster player out for Nash and you still have the same issues with depth.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Question : why was torts fired from Tampa?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't welcome back Kotter
why would anyone want that dog Caarter with that contract?
Why does Carter never get mentioned?
He may be the only decent non-Nash scorer available. WW/MZA/Thomas/1st pull the trigger. Maybe just maybe NY is the perfect scene for Jeff. He can get the attention and spotlight off the ice, and maybe that would keep him happy enough to give it all on the ice, Torts can straighten him out.
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions
plus
there’s plenty of bars and nightlife to make sure he turns into don murdoch 2.0
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Ugh
is the deadline here yet?
$5 says Friday we know for sure
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions
and this is why we ask for sources.
by jhipko13 on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty misleading, he isn’t “reporting” any news, he gave his opinion of where he thought Nash would land, contradicted in the same piece by Dreger and McKenzie.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1077098-nhl-trade-rumors-rangers-are-frontrunner-for-rick-nash
No news there.
That said, there is one good take-away there:
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It is his choice…NMC. He can choose to go ANYWHERE he wants.
He’s gonna be here, meaning Howson’s gonna get clobbered in this deal. All the Rangers have to do is dump roughly $3 million off the payroll (Wolski); plus if the CBA sticks to the current framework, the cap ceiling will go up and an amnesty dump is available, if it’s not used on Redden.
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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here’s the thing-they don’t have to trade him, which means if Howson is getting jobbed, he’ll just decline trading him at all. Of course, Nash could have asked out, but that would never come to light.
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So… once was 33% now is 50%… or back to 33% if the third option is he stays where he is.
Oh dear.
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Just want this to be over, for the love of fucking god. LeBrun says this is delaying other deals we have on the table, just do that other shit, Glen! I swear if we deal away something big at 2:59 Monday I am gonna be pissed.
At this point I don’t care where he ends up. I just want it over too.
If he is a Ranger I will be very sad about his cap hit, but I have always been a huuuuge Rick Nash fan. I just want it done, one way or the other.
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Nash could be the difference in winning a Cup this year, under the right trade, IMO. Don’t forget that it is likely that there is at least a delay in the start of next season, if there is a season, so Glen has more of an urgency to go for it this year. But I bet he’s as surprised as any that they are in this position this year.
If he is a Ranger I will be very sad about his cap hit, but I have always been a huuuuge Rick Nash fan. I just want it done, one way or the other.
This is my exact thought on the subject.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 23, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Same here. If he does come here and suck, I will be mightily pissed.
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Great minds.
By the way, not to brag, but I found out the perfect amount of time to put Tater Tots in a toaster oven… so… yeah.
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by Fire Renneyy on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
from the bleacher report
Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News has reported current Rangers Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, and prospects Chris Kreider as possible trade targets for acquiring Nash.
Dubi, McD, MDZ, and Kreider???? that is batshit insane.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 23, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions
It says they are trade targets… if you think sather blows up the team for nash you are insane let along sather… sather’s not going to bomb half the team on one player… he may give a guy a brinks truck worht of money for nothing but he’s not bad with trades…
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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like whatever trade sather does for nash
He’s going to fleece the shit outta columbus. He’s just gauging how much he wants to fuck them over right now.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I sure hope so but CBJ could always just walk away from the table.
Unless there is some hidden pressure from Nash that he really wants out, which is opposite from what he has been saying, I cant see them making a deal just for the sake of making one.
Then again, if every other team balked at your price and the Rangers are the only one left willing to give up something of value and take on his contract and on Nash’s list…it is a gamble to walk away from that. No saying that will will do the same thing after the playoffs. Slats wants Nash for THIS playoffs.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s gonna trade for Nash, I think he’ll go after Ryan or Carter or maybe even Eriksson instead then probably make a trade for a D-man.
dallas
is two points out of a playoff spot, i can’t see them trading an ericksson unless they’re getting something of so-called equivalent value back
figure dubinsky & a prospect to start the conversation
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According to Larry Brooks in the NY Post, the Rangers will NOT include Ryan McDonagh, Tim Erixon, Chris Kreider, JT Miller or Michael Del Zotto in any deal for Rick Nash. Columbus, according to Brooks, asked for those players in a deal.
Brooks says that the Rangers are prepared to trade Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas and maybe Dylan McIlrath, along with a first round pick, to get Nash.
Brooks doesn’t think that Columbus would accept that offer from the Rangers.
At Rangers Report, Carp writes, "Not convinced he’s coming. And I’m not sure I’m strongly one one side or the other. I’m only convinced they want him. I have no idea how far they’ll go to get him, and I don’t think they will go near the rumored demands that include any of these guys: Stepan, McDonagh, Del Zotto … and I am taking an educated guess that they will make all attempts to keep Kreider out of the deal, too. I could be completely wrong."
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I would do, Dubi, thomas, McIlrath and a 1st round pick
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 23, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
i'm ok with that deal if sather can pull it off
but worried about long-term cap implications
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"Oils like he's getting a himmer!"
still dont know why people would give up so much for a backwards puzzle piece….oh yeah i forgot, NHL 94! oh , and some people never played hockey let alone team sports. prove me wrong someone….waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Glad to know some of u NYR fans remind me of the kids of Lord of the Flies….
lol. no one here is on record for wanting to trade anyone other than dubinsky from our current roster. and if howson is dumb enough to make a deal for dubinsky a prospect or 2 (not named kreider or erixon) and a first then you do it. the point i’ve been making along with a few others is that he has become expendable as a third line winger playing a defensive role making over 4 million a year. whats wrong with that?
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