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NHL Trade Rumors: Chris Kreider, Michael Del Zotto And Others Reportedly Untouchable

I was scanning my morning New York Rangers reads today and I came across Larry Brook's most recent Rick Nash story, in which he thinks the next two games will play a major role in Glen Sather's decisions when the NHL trade deadline finally arrives.

From Brook's story:

Sources familiar with the parameters of the discussions between Sather and Columbus counterpart Scott Howson have told The Post the Rangers have designated Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, 2009 first-rounder Chris Kreider and 2011 first-rounder J.T. Miller as untouchables when the Blue Jackets requested their inclusion in the package for Nash, the 27-year-old power winger who is being dangled to deep-pocket contenders.

Forget the Nash trade, or any trade for that matter, if this report is true then Satehr is handling his business the right way.

Join me after the jump for more.

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I understand people's concern about putting too much stock into a player who hasn't even joined the AHL ranks yet. At this point, Kreider's NHL career is nonexistent. Some people think it's foolish to kill a potential blockbuster deal in order to keep a player who has logged as many NHL minutes as I have, but it makes sense. More than a few scouts (including many who have no affiliation with the Rangers) have marked Kreider as an absolute can't-miss prospect who will be a great not good player. The fact that he's on the no-touch list is a solid move in my book.

I am also very pleased to see Michael Del Zotto make the list as well. Del Zotto has really come into his own this season, will probably put up career numbers and has a very bright future ahead of him. Brooks goes on to say that the Rangers also don't want to move Tim Erixon, which means the Rangers will have two very solid puck moving defenseman on the team in the future. Speaking of defenseman, is anyone surprised Sather won't trade Ryan McDonagh? Me neither. Moving on.

I am a little shocked, however, not to see Derek Stepan's name on that list. Now, that doesn't mean Sather is going to sweeten the pot with Stepan, especially if he was on Sather's no-touch list earlier in the year when the general manager kicked the tires on Bobby Ryan. Still, it's a bit surprising not to see him named with everyone else.

It's also surprising to see J.T. Miller, the Rangers' first round draft choice this year, on that list. Especially since further down in the story Brooks says this:

It is believed that Sather, who is not fazed by the ramifications of adding Nash's contract that runs through 2017-18 at a cap hit of $7.8 million per year, is prepared to send Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and perhaps 2010 first-rounder Dylan McIlrath plus a first round pick to Columbus in order to bring the 6-foot-4, 220-pound, nine-year veteran to Broadway.

To put Miller -- who has surpassed expectations significantly this year, posting 21 goals and 35 assists for 56 points in 50 OHL games -- ahead of both Christian Thomas and Dylan McIlrath speaks volumes of the youngster. It also speaks volumes that Sather believes his team is strong enough on defense to lose a solid prospect.

Honestly, this is more than just Nash. If Sather isn't willing to move these guys for Nash then he isn't going to move these guys for anyone.

That's good news to me. Especially since it keeps the core of this team together. A core that's good enough for first place in the Eastern conference.

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i would make the trade for dubinsky, thomas, mcilrath and a first. keeping him without giving up kreider or erixon… awesome

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and perhaps 2010 first-rounder Dylan McIlrath

i’d do that. in a second

also this got me thinking. i sort of like not throwing wolski in there. for all of you nash-enthusiasts, would wolski be a good fit in playing with nash? would their styles mesh?

those of you that read this blog regularly know i’m always trying to get wolski in the lineup. and all of our 347564236674 proposed trades seem to toss wolski in the mix. but if we keep him, would playing with nash turn him back into the 60-point player that he used to be?

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by Papa T on Feb 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

i don’t think there’s room for wolski on the roster… i think most of us believe nash would play with richards and callahan.

if he’s not thrown into this trade i think he could possibly get moved for a veteran d-man.. although idk who else is out there at this point.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah thats true. and that is what i’ve always thought too, to play him with cally and richards.

just once i saw wolski wasnt included like we all thought it turned into one of those crazy thoughts i had. and hell in the BSB open forum for all things rick nash, i figured id throw it out there.

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by Papa T on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think wolski may be swapped for boyes… which would be a decent upgrade and he could easily slot into a 3rd line role if need be that improves our depth as boyes is more capable player than wolski and both are rentals both contracts are the same and both essentially a wash…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

not a bad idea. i wonder if they’d go for it

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by Papa T on Feb 23, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

the contracts are moot… they are pretty much the same contract wise, different style players it’s a wash it’s just whether buffalo has intentions on resigning him (probably not) or wants to shake something up…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to ask why does anyone think we are going to try to trade for Boyes? What improvement does he bring to this team and who’s spot does he take? I think the first 3 lines are set and does he really fit with the 4th? I’d rather play MZA or Avery. In fact Avery likely has more friggin points in like 30 less games.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

yea Avery is not going to play for us and MZA is done as a ranger… idk why his value is so high for us i really don’t he’s not going to play as a ranger ever again… hmmm boyes or wolski… personally boyes fits our mold and wolski doesn’t… even if he’s a depth guy to give a player a day off of something at least we’d be getting a capable player out of him instead of hot tub wolski

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Boyes is going to be Chris Higgins 2.0 except the guy has 3 goals for the Sabres and isn’t going to snap out of that funk with a second change of scenery. I obviously was joking about avery being back in the line up. i just think Boyes is a third or fourth liner who doesn’t add anything to the team.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

the point he’s trying to make is that he could provide added depth to the team, more value than WW.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

injuries happen and there’s nothing wrong with having depth. they’re both UFAs this offseason anyway. boyes has shown he can play two-ways… why not?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

boyes for WW is a no brainer, primarily because WW will never play a game again save for some extreme circumstance.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinknig that Boyes wouldn’t be playing much either. Wolski is not even in the line up….who sits for Boyes? Feds? Not going to happen with Torts as coach.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i think with Boyes style of play he would get some time, possibly for Rupp for the rest of the year. WW simply won’t play both ways, ala Zherdev. it would be more of getting a guy who could step in if someone was banged up. WW isn’t that guy it seems.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

+

Boyes would see PP time

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

me too. I’d do it in a second… didnt want nash at firsy but lets be serious we need him.. no way we go deep (east finals) or stanley cup finals if we dont make a serious move

by bkolaric on Feb 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see McIlrath stay with this organization. The reason? He is potentially the only crease clearing D-man we have in the line-up or in the system. We need a mean spirited Dman like that just as much as we need a puck moving PP QB types.

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by MKwizardAD@aol.com on Feb 23, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe the Rangers are going to make a major organizational decision based on two games against the Islanders and Sabres.

Some of the comments I am reading around the internet basically stating that trading Brandon Dubinsky would somehow disrupt the space time continuum and mean that Marty McFly would never be born is a little ridiculous. I like Dubinsky, but he’s a third-liner.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 23, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

and somehow, 3rd liners aren’t important? 3rd liners win games, protect leads, and are just as important in winning stanley cups as 1st and 2nd liners, especially 1st and 2nd liners who don’t show up every game. i can name a few on the rangers making much more than 4.2 million.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

callahan richards gaborik and lundqvist are much more deserving of their $$ than dubinsky.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The Rangers have more than enough third liners on this team and in their system

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course third liners are important, just look at how many the Rangers have.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 23, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s not about how many you have, it’s who they are. hagelin will now become a 3rd liner. so now he’s expendable? boyle, prust, feds, all expendable?

let me say this, lundqvist depends on those 3rd liners just as much as he does the guys who score (or are supposed to be scoring). and as for value, richards, for the money he is being paid, is not delivering. does that make him expendable? or is hockey a team game where every player is relied on and just as important as anyone else?

38-15-5. been following the rangers since ‘65, and haven’t see this kind of team yet (at least to date this year).

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

who said they are expendable? you’re making an assumption that all 3rd liners are expendable because they are bottom six… in all reality hags is probably a middle 6 player not a top line player… so slotting him down would be putting him where he really belongs… and when you compare dubi to nash it’s not even fair…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol hagelin is still on his ELC and statistically has averaged more PPG. boyle and prust feds were never seen as 50-60 point guys and they barely make more than 4 million COMBINED.

richards was brought here for a lot of reasons and he hasn’t been given a fair shot. the gabby experiment didn’t work, i think they never got enough time together, but that’s why were trying to bring in a sniper/power forward to play alongside of him.
his resume speaks for itself… especially in the playoffs which is another reason why he was brought here. averaging about a PPG and a conn smythe.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

richards hasn’t been given a fair shot? that’s absurd.

you base your argument on money. so a team is only successful if they win AND every player plays up to their paycheck. another absurd comment.

you’re also stating that salary is commensurate with goal production. you’re also saying that Dubi should be a 50-60 point guy playing with boyle and prust. another absurd assumption.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

he never said he based it on money… but you’re third line players shouldn’t be making more than 3 of your top 6 players… he’s not making 3-3.5 mil… he’s making 4.2 which is a lofty sum of money… Ruutu just got 3.75 as a 17 goal scorer… so by turn he should at least be getting 20 goals… thats not going to happen… when you have a team of energy players a guy with a larger contract and who’s playing below his potential becomes expendable…

especially for a player like rick nash…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Ruutu got $4.75m. He should have gotten $3.75m…

by BigB22 on Feb 23, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams will overpay when they don’t think they can find a cheaper replacement.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t give him less…plus Carolina doesn’t have enough payroll to stay over the cap floor.

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he also stated richards didnt get a fair shot with gabby… and that is true and has a lot to do with the fact that they were losing early and they had a bad road trip across europe and the west coast… richards was given like 3-4 games with gabby…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Richards is a PLAYMAKER it’s a bit difficult to do so when you don’t play with a goal scorer. no offense to Callahan and Hagelin but that’s not their MO.

the salary is the icing on the cake for dubinsky. name all the third liners that make upwards of 4 million a year, don’t worry i’ll wait.

let me reiterate what i said… Dubinsky was SEEN was 50-60 point guy name 50-60 point guys that play on the 3rd line?

the only thing that’s absurd is how you think dubinsky is more valuable to this team than nash would be.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

SEEN by who? show me where it says Sather expects Dubi to be a 50-60 point guy, especially after being moved down to the 3rd line.

again, it’s not about money. you keep focusing on the money.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

coming into this season dubi put up what 45 points last year… and was expected to wing the first line with richards and gaborik… obviously we didn’t plan on him not scoring for 2/3’s of the season… we were easily looking at a 50 pt brandon dubinsky with his contract… it’s undeniable…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

At his best Dubinsky is a 50-60 point player

he’s also not a first liner on any winning team. Nash is an elite player. period. There is no comparison. Nash is miles ahead (in terms of offense) that Dubinsky is.

Guys like Prust, Fedotenko, Callahan Boyle … they fill the heart and soul needs Dubinsky leaves

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And Nash is making miles and miles more too.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

okay let me break it down since you can’t understand. dubinsky was playing top six minutes for the past few seasons. his numbers were slightly increasing each and every year. he re-signed last summer for 4.25 with expectations of that trend continuing as well as playing top six minutes.

2010 he was on pace for 52 points over a full year. 44 in 69.
2011 he put up 54 points in 77 games.

the emergence of hagelin has diminished his value to the team.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

fantasy thought

just to know, and this isn’t part of any argument but something i would love to know, if i could ask every ranger in private and anonymously, would they make this trade, i wonder what the consensus would be. afterall, it’s their team, the stanley cup is their dream. hockey is their livelihood. we just follow. yes, it’s in our blood too, and important, but it’s not our life. we don’t play. we suffer for sure when they lose, but not as much as they do. would love to know.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

don’t know who it was but i thought someone posted on here that john buccigross tweeted the players wanted him in ny because they knew it would increase their chances of winning.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

that wasn’t the question. the question was this trade. every team would want him on their team, but at what cost?

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

um every possible trade has included dubinsky how does that change anything?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

your question went 10 miles over my head.

apparently you know sather personally and are involved in the trade talks. my guess is, he hasn’t been part of all trade considerations. i’m quite sure they’ve been trying to get rid of WW, and i’m also quite sure that teams have inquired about Dubi and Sather hasn’t liked the return.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s actually been quite obvious for the last 3 years that dubi has been involved in most if not all trade takes whether preliminary or not…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

lol know him personally something called the internet and social media. has sather said dubinsky is untouchable? no. are we going after nash? yes. do we need to shed cap room? yes. outside of wolski since he’s an UFA this offseason name someone else who makes sense to move?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

or is young and who has value can play both wing and center? oh right dubinsky

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

thank God

someone here who makes sense. even the fourth line plays roles on teams. Everybody keeps saying how we need scoring….we are 11th in the league in scoring?!?!?!?!?! and we are on the top of the east, compteting for the presidents trophy…how did we get here…OH YEAH, playing NY style. Wait i forgot, we got tons of NHL 94 experts here who want to place one dimensional players on our team…sheesh

by Xcalibre on Feb 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he doesn't make sense...

He’s basically trying to say that by trading Dubinsky we no longer have a 3rd line which is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is Dubinsky is under performing on the 3rd line because he’s not playing the same quality minutes with quality line mates he was last year. He’s making too much money on the 3rd but is not fitting in the top 6 which makes him expendable. I love Dubi, but playing him on a defensive 3rd line is a waste of money. Honestly the idea of trading for Boyes only is we get Nash is a great idea in my opinion. That moves Hags to the 3rd line where he belongs and we essentially do this:

Nash for Dubi, Thomas, 1st, Mcillrath
Boyes for Wolski

The lines look like this:

Step/AA/Gabs
Nash/Rich/Cally
Hags/Boyle/Boyes
Prust/Rupp/Mitchell

That to me is a much more complete lineup than we have now. Boyes replaces Dubinsky on the 3rd and Hags actually adds some offensive ability to what has otherwise been a purely defensive line. No one is saying 3rd and 4th lines aren’t important

by Jwuer on Feb 23, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

W/O Boyes you still have a 3rd/4th of

Hags/Boyle/Mitchell
Prust/Rupp/Feds

by Jwuer on Feb 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Put Mitchell and Boyle’s spot, and push Boyle down into Rupp’s spot.

Looks good to me I suppose, ignoring the money aspect.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

getting rid of Wolski/Dubi frees up a lot and Boyes is a UFA right?

by Jwuer on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

and on dubinsky.. not only is he a third-liner.. he’s making $4mil+

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

so what? he would be more valuable if he was making 2mil+. what’s the right number? it’s not about the money, it’s about the team.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

lol so you think taking dubinsky out and putting nash in essentially kills the team? Hagel slots down into dubi’s spot and evens out the team…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

hagelin***

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

if he was making $2mil i think people wouldn’t complain as much. the point is he’s show potential to be a 50-60 point guy. now he’s playing on the 3rd line and cannot hit the broad side of a barn. he had his chance of playing top six minutes and hasn’t performed.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

yup, half a season, best team record ever, dump him. he sucks.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no go back to the 2nd half of last season until now and look at what he’s done. the point is he’s the 5th highest paid player on the team and for what he does can essentially be replaced by JT Miller in a couple of years. For now we have 100000 grinders who can easily replace him.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

actually, they made the playoffs last year because him. you’re forgetting the last few games of the season? the boston comeback?

100,000? wow, the rangers system is deep.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

You trade Dubinky for Nash seven days a week and twice on sunday

it’s not about what Dubinsky brings to the table (and let’s be honest, Callahan means way more to this team now than dubinky does), it’s not about the money, it’s about esentially swapping Dubinsky for Nash.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100% there was a time where it was debatable as to whether cally or dubi was more valuable to the team… that time has come and gone and cally is the clearly the most valuable player to this team of the 2…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

every time that has come and gone – goes around again.
It’s the one that in some future time that comes back to bite you in the ass that really hurts.

Certainly judgments are subjective, as well as damned by the recency effect “What have you done for me lately?”

Last year people were ready to ditch Gaborik, Callahan, Dubi, etc etc at various “moments in time”

I’m not saying “don’t trade Dubinsky”.
I’m not saying “do it now! Send him off!”

I have very mixed feelings about it and can see it being a yet another mistake along the lines of Ridley/Miller/etc etc that have been chronicled to death lately.

And the 7.8mm/yr cap hit on Nash really makes me nuts in about 2 years – and the uncertainty of what the next CBA brings.

Funny thing – the last time Torts/Feds/Richards won the cup was the year before the ‘lockout’. Deja Vu all over again ?

by dbmaven on Feb 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

u do not know how many times i stated that same thing, how last year everyone of the wannabe fans were ready to tank Gaborik and praise be all Dubinsky. Some of u cats are the worst fans!! want to be a bad fan, go to philly…!!!

by Xcalibre on Feb 23, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

So we want to make the team better

in a reasonable fashion and we’re bad fans? How? I think we all love Dubinsky but it is’t about what he’s doing for us now, it’s that he’s become expendable with the group of young talent we have coming up.

by Jwuer on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s just frustrated at how impatient we are collectively.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

okay that’s about as relevant as saying what about lundqvist? what about prospal? what about drury? point is he lacks consistency. for as long as he’s been here he hasn’t played consistent hockey on both ends of the ice for a season and there are other guys out there within this system that can replace what he does. the money is the icing on the cake.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

really?

he lacks consistency as a defender? that has to be opinion only.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

really? way to twist my words. i assumed you knew what i meant. i should have said he’s been inconsistent offensively. no where did i specifically say he lacks defensive consistency.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

your words

“he hasn’t played consistent hockey on both ends of the ice for a season”

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly…. can’t he can still play consistent on one end?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

now i got ya, read it like you were saying he was inconsistent both ways. my bad.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

bringing nash means not having to rely on gaborik as much… balances out the scoring… consistent 30 goal scorers are hard to come by.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

not only that… if gives us another shooter and another thing for a PK to worry about… instead of marking our only shooter on the PP (Gab)…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re taking this personally. This is about making the team better. If you are telling me that trading a replaceable third line player and a few prospects for an elite forward isn’t worth it, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 23, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to consider that some people question of how elite that player is and how much longer he can maintain elite/near-elite status.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s 27 and if somebody says 27 is old again i might as well go kill myself in a few days because i’m 24 and time is running out…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you see the list that George posted last week?

http://hkref.com/tiny/9PvV5

It’s the list of guys ages 28-33 (the rest of Nash’s deal) that have scored at leat 30G/70 pts in NHL history. The number of guys that have done that more than twice is small. Given that Nash has only 70+ point season in his career, has as many seasons scoring less than 35 goals than he does scoring more than 35 and is coming up on 10 years in the league a lot of signs point to him slowing down in the near future. It’s not old for the league in general, but in the small world of elite goal scorers > 27 yrs is when you start to see many players decline.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s just as likely he’ll be an overpaid bust then he would be some kind of savior, as if a team in first place needs a savior.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s not a savior type thing… it’s an added scoring depth and an elite one… i have no doubt he’ll score at least 25 for the next 5 years… easily… am i saying 70 points no… i’m sayinig at least 25 goals and we don’t have guys who can shoot… we have guys who can pass… a lot of passers…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

We all (or the sane ones agree with this)

and if we were to get him for "Dubinsky and a couple of prospects) we ALL would do this. But we won’t. He is their captain, more importantly he is the only marketable guy out there and he is the CENTER of the Columbus Blue Jackets world. Howson wants the house AND the car for him, and adding in his 7.8 mil dollar contract, by no stretch of the imagination is 25 goals and an “extra shooter” worth 7.8 mil choking our cap (regardless of the next CBA) for the remainder of his contract. RIDE the bumps through, we do not need him at the price we will have to pay. end. of. story.

by Kevin Papa on Feb 23, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to look at it in totality… Both Nash and Carter are going to go… and they are going to get a package of 2-3 NHL ready players 2-3 prospects and 2 more 1st round picks

so they essentially will had 5 high talented players and 3 more in the draft this year from 2 players who are on their way out… as in they want to be moved… while the rangers offer may seem low to you… when you add it to the return of the LA carter possible trade it makes a lot of sense… If one is traded so will the other…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the best way to rebuild if you lack depth on your team.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

thats why i say even though the players going back from us seems small… there is another player bringing back probably equal what we are giving up at worst… so double what we give and thats what they are getting… that gives them 3 first round picks plus the #1 overall pick this year… easily could trade a 1st and get 2 more picks or trade both 1sts and move up int he draft… it opens so many possibilities for a team trying to rebuild…

Then you have to factor in the fact that if they way other teams are going to pass on Nash or not be included due to his restriction of the NTC… there are so many variables to consider before saying the trade is bad for them…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

dsteak the point you are failing to comprehend is Dubinsky……..
1- was never projected to be a 3 third liner
2- had a great year last year due to getting minutes when the team had injuries
3- is not consistent enough to repeat that performance, hence he became a 3rd liner
4- has value in a trade for a more offensive player
5- has an absurd contract for a third liner who has 6 more deserving players playing ahead of him on the depth chart.

Nobody hates the guy, most of us are smart enough to realize he is the obvious choice to be traded due to value, cap hit and depth. If you are so concerned about the team, you would realize that he is an important trading chip in a deal to provide the lack of scoring issue we are plagued with. And it is all about winning…..as a fan, you want your team to do as good as possible each season. And it IS all about money, eventually a 4.2 million dollar 3rd liner handicaps the team from making a move because of his cap hit. his value is good, if they need to make a move, he will be the guy dangled as trade bait.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

1 – not projected, but is, is great at it, and they’re winning. he is a vital cog.
2 – remind me who got hurt that he replaced? his contract wasn’t because of last year, it was because of all of his years and his value to the team
3 – you don’t know this, he has been consistent every year, progressively getting better, and this year his role changed. not his fault. but it’s not about blame, it’s about winning.
4 – he has certain value because of his abilities and value to the rangers. that’s why other teams want him. afterall, he’s not WW.
5 – so, if they win the cup, and say next year he gets his shot and confidence back and goes 45-55 again, his contract is absurd? you’re basing his career on 48 games, in which he has performed exceptionally in all areas of the game except for goals.

i comprehend that people want nash. i understand that. i would love to have nash too, but not at this cost or time.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He was supposed to be a 1st line winger, two years ago Gabby’s center. If that came to fruition, his 4.2 million is almost a bargain. But instead he scored his first goal almost 20 games into the season….and fell to the third line. Having him on the 3rd line says alot about the depth of this team (which makes him expendable), but when we have scoring issues, partially due to his lack of scoring, he becomes expendable to get the right piece in here.

He and Boyle benefitted greatly last season due to Gabby, Drury, Prospal, Callahan, Frolov, EC and Boogaard being out….did I leave anyone out? (Boyle scored 21 goals and then once people got back in the line up, never scored again).

His contract was direct reflection of his productivity last year. I’m not saying he did not deserve it then, I’m saying right now he’s not playing up to his contract. After all we all complained when Gomez and Drury were in a similar situation….not living up to their contracts.

His role changed because he stopped scoring, not that he was asked to be a defensive forward…he stopped scoring period. He has played well, he sticks up for his teamates, he hits…….but he is expendable, there is no denying that. The Rangers can get someone in there to do the same thing on the cheap if that becomes something they need to address. Hell, Brad Boyes can do that. He was getting better and better and hit a wall this season, perhaps he played above expectations last year due to the crircumstances but maybe that was his highest peak.

Not saying he has no value, I’m saying he is the 7th best forward on the team and will be the main cog in a trade to address this teams needs if a trade is made.

If they win a cup, most of us will ride the high for a full season and won’t give a fuck if Gabby sits on Dubi’s porn stache traveling to and from games.

Dubi’s falling off isn’t just a 3 or 4 goals, its monumental. What is the issue? I know it happens but this is a business and a “what have you done for me lately” business at that…….he still has value and we need a consistent scorer, and his cap hit off the books dictates he is likely the guy to be moved.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

its a salary cap league

How is the salary not important? If it wasn’t important the consensus on this site would be to get nash, and forget about his salary. If feds made 4 mil a year would you be ok with that too? Makes no sense to me but I like to be enlightened

by klh2009 on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this. hes overpiad and his salary jumps again after next year. time to move him. you cant pay a third liner 4 million

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Actual salary paid is inconsequential to the Rangers.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I 100% agree Dubi is overpaid

But so is Nash. (If) Dubinsky can get back to his normal 20-25 G 20-30 A years, I’ll take his 4 million dollar cap hit ALONG with the intangibles of a guy who can play PK, PP, big moments, decent minutes, and uses the body. Nash is the double the cost, he’s older, not consistent, will get less minutes and less prime opportunities because he’s not the only person who can score anymore, and will play horrid defense. pass.

by Kevin Papa on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s played as a top six forward for most of the year a lot longer than richards has played with gabby. the problem is he’s not going to hit those numbers playing on the 3rd line.

lol horrid defense? not consistent? less minutes? bold statements.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hits

he’s averaged about 95 hits the last 3 years, but it’s dropped each year. that’s not bad, he can play physical. even though they made the playoffs in 08/09, it’s hard to show defensive numbers as a forward on a bad team. forget about +/-, it’s meaningless in this case.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily want the guy but........lets be honest

Kevin, Nash has average 30 goals a season…he had 17 in his rookie campaign and 27 in another. He’s also scored 40 a few times. All on a team with little to no supporting cast. He’s a phenominal player who I compare to a young Iginla. I guarantee he comes in here and is at least as effective as Jagr was, maybe more so. In turn you will see Gabbby produce more because team can’ key on only his line anymore.

If this costs Dubi, Thomas, McIItrath and a 1st…….you gotta do it. If we stand pat, we likely are not beating the Bruins or Wings in a 7 game series, we don’t have the scoring and we have troublw now scoring 2 or more goals a game. I think Nash improves upon that instantly.

I also think he will play Torts system and he will hit guys more…..I’ve seen crazier things such as Gabby hitting guys and back checking so it can be done.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s on pace for about 120 this year

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A third liner that has been known to grow a rather epic mustache come postseason time… are we sure we want to say goodbye to that facial hair?

I am not sure I am ready to do that.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that package is going to get it done. It might be enough to get Ryan Smyth. I also belive Stephan could go in the right deal.

by jillywilly on Feb 23, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Really? Ryan Smyth is a old rental noone would trade all those prospects and picks for Ryan Smyth

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly. that is definitely a package for a top tier player, not a ryan smyth

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by NYC Jim347 on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that is WAY too much for Ryan Smyth

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

DO IT

I would even throw in another pick on top of that if it gets the deal done.

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Like I said multiple times… sather is not an that big of an idiot to blow up the team completely for one player when they are ont he top of the standings… this trade makes so much sense at least from the rangers perspective as we are dealing from depth…

We have depth in our grinder bottom 6 players = dubi expendable
We have depth in defense and young defense at that = McIllrath expendable
We have legitimate scoring prospects and forwards = Thomas expendable
Our first round pick as of now is one of the worst 2 picks in the first round= expendable…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

totally agree get it done.

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I am still trying to rationalize needing a guy like Erixon. To me, he is the one that should be expendable, not McIllrath

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

you have to look into the whole story behind erixon… the rangers gave up 2 2nd round picks for erixon and pulled strings for him to get him here… he’s not going to get traded… plus he’s essentially another 1st rounder for us… considering he was just a prospect until this past year… all indication had him going in the top 10 last year had he not signed in calgary…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

but he’s just a prospect right? all prospects are expendable, because they’re all unknown? correct?

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

erixon’s playing in the AHL right now… and doing very well…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand the talent of this guy but I feel as though the Rangers are “good” with offensive-type defensemen, unless they feel this guy is a legit powerplay QB. It would be a waste having him as the fifth or sixth guy…like playing Wolski on the fourth line.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

outside of del zotto name an offensive type?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a nicer way to say “soft.” I think Staal and McDonagh have offensive ability but get reigned in by Torts.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

they do feel he is going to QB the powerplay

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh okay. If he is that legit, than it makes sense. Better than making a trade for Visnovsky.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i’m only basing what i’m saying from what i’ve heard from scouts and rangers prospect guru’s… haven’t seen him play any more than most ranger fans…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s been playing well in the ahl this year little different than college hockey or the juniors.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well he never played college or juniors, he started out in the SEL in Sweden then came to the AHL

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by Tripodi on Feb 23, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Erixon actually played a few games in the beginning and middle of the seaon and was not bad at all.

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

his skills were obvious. i wouldn’t send him anywhere.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I was looking forward to seeing McIllrath play at some point. However, the deal with him proposed in it so definitively worse than the original rumor, Columbus would be a fool to take that deal.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

not necesarily. it depends on how high they have McIlrath and Thomas rated.

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

True…I really meant that the original rumor versus this development seem very different.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

you have to also consider the bargaining power of CBJ… if it’s true it’s down to 2 teams at this point… NYR and SJS… it’s only what each can offer not what CBJ want… Nash is obviously not happy about going through a 3rd rebuilding in Columbus… it comes down to what can SJS offer vs what NYR can offer… all indications point to LA getting Carter…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Carter makes the most sense for LA with Richards already there and they have played together before. and LA also has cap issues so it would be easier fit Carter than nash.

by DieselCane22 on Feb 23, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If Jack Johnson is sent the other way it accounts for 4/5ths of Carter’s cap hit.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

don’t forget they already have simon gagne lol he’ll be reunited with them…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thought he was done for the year.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

well carter is there for another 10 years if it happens so he will be back next year

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It was CBJ asking Nash to waive his ntc, It doesn’t seem that obvious to me that he would not be happy helping CBJ rebuild. Have you read something along those lines somewhere?

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

well he’s not that kind of guy… but if he was happy ala Selanne he would refuse to waive his no trade clause and the fact the teams on his list are contenders shows that he wants to play for a team thats winning right now…

would you want to have the team repeatedly blown up every 3 years for your entire career? It’s quite obvious he’d rather not be a member of the team rebuilding instead being the guy who brings the rebuilding…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Dubi, Thomas, McIlrath and a 1st for Nash?

I’d do that any day. I like Dubi, but cmon. Would’ve loved to see Thomas play in the Garden, but he does kinda remind me of Nigel Dawes. And McIlrath would’ve been nice, but we have a ton of defenseman here and its not like we can’t find more in the future, especially of the big enforcer type (tho McIlrath is supposed to be more).

If that’s the deal, and Columbus actually accepts I can’t think of a better deal for us. It would be very Columbus Blue Jackets for them to accept that too, they’re a terrible organization.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 23, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

dawes was a consistent 40+ goal scorer in the juniors and even played well in hartford while he was there. never seemed to translate into a successful NHL career tho. similar stature to thomas as well… dawes may be a bit stockier. idk enough to say who the better skater, etc is.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think columbus is going to trade both Carter and Nash back to back similar to the way the flyers dealt richards and carter… because they have an idea of who they are getting it’s kind of a balancing test right now to see what they will get from each team for what player…

They have the luxury of having 2 players of need right now and 3 teams looking for those 2 players… so they can mix and match and try to get the best overall return from the 2 players rather then getting the world for one of the players… if they can turn carter in nash into 2-3 NHL players and 2-3 good prospects and 2 1st round picks they’ve done their job..

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

carter and nash****

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

A question to all those here suffering from irrational Dubi love.

Let me start by saying that I am unequivocally against trading away the future of this team for Nash. That said, in the right deal Dubi has to be expendable.

Now for the question, if Dubi was NOT a homegrown Ranger and we either signed him as a FA or traded for him and he put up the type of numbers that he is whilst making the money he is, would you still suffer from irrational Dubi love?

by Twigs on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

no

but i think most people are ready to trade Dubi.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Having been to the last 2 games at the Garden and reading this thread I still think its closer to 50 50

by Twigs on Feb 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

come on you don't actually take some of those people at the garden seriously do you?

They might be true Ranger fans but when talking about hockey in a league perspective with some people it’s like a foreign language.

This one guy tried to tell me that Dubinsky is better than Rick Nash right now and has been his whole career. This was weeks ago.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

motha fuck that was weeks ago…

Rick Nash > Dubinsky by a wide margin

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

some people....

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

lol i know…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

the fact is

nobody wants to change anything, or at least give up any core players. yes, dubi is a core player. as much as people think that only scoring matters, which if anyone has ever played the game knows that’s ridiculous, and also that anybody can play 3rd/4th line and be successful, which is also whackadoodle.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

we have plenty of guys who play 3rd or 4th line… our team is riddle with them… hagelin is a guy who could easily slot into dubi’s spot… and probably where he belongs…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

we have plenty of people on this team that can do what Dubi does

Hagelin can start killing penalties…. It goes on and on.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

remember feds is due to return to the line up soon

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Feds isn't what he once was

but he’s better than bickel in that 4th line role.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree… he’s more like the guy who as a defender you don’t notice because he’s doing his job… thats what he is… but he will do what you ask him to do… he hasn’t been bad by any stretch and all likelihood he’ll be gone next year…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Feds is a good guy to have in the playoffs. even if he sits some games, he’s good to come in and provide some stability.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I always had faith in Sather

Now watch him surprise us with the deal he pulls off to get nash.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

his trades are amazing… FA signings… not so much…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well the good thing if he does do this trade

there wouldn’t be a lot of cap space to do another crappy FA signing

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

we can always find cap space if we need to… we signed richards… and didn’t originally have the space…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

sure

we’ll just dump the rest of the 3rd liners. lol

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

no one ever said that… you take trading dubi for nash as a bad trade apparently and idk why…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s not necessarily that i think it’s bad. i don’t think it’s necessary. if they were on the bubble (like they always are except for this year), yes. but they’re not. they’re challenging for the points title. why? because they signed richards? i don’t think so. they’re following a plan/strategy that EVERYONE screamed for for years. and it’s working. i’m NOT saying Dubi is better than Nash, because they’re not the same player. i would say Dubi is a better checker, shot blocker, PK killer than Nash. he is pressing offensively, no doubt, but he doesn’t suck offensively. his shots are way down this year, mostly because he struggled at the start and they moved him down to primarily check (and PK).

don’t get me wrong, i respect you guys opinions. i see your argument, and it could be correct. it might win them the cup. it could also be a bust. personally i think they have what it takes now, and i personally think Dubi is the kind of guy you want in the playoffs. not that Nash isn’t, but on this, team, due to the current success, i like what we have. i’m not alone on this thinking.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

well teams are upping their game right now, which is expected to be done in the playoffs on a massive level… if we have trouble scoring on mason who has a GAA over 3.00 then their is obviously an issue with scoring…

the biggest point is how many times has richards set up players like hagelin or cally for shots and they’ve either missed the net or shot it right into the goaltenders chest? It happens all the time because they are not scorers… 7 out of 10 times Nash is going to bury those passes… thats the difference i see…

we have a huge lack in scoring… yes we are in 1st place but teams are starting to make a push and we would be stupid to stand pat because we didn’t want to trade the underachieving dubinsky for nash

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s not underachieving in his current role. he would be underachieving he was playing on the 1st or 2nd line (where he would be getting more shots and scoring chances).

as a 3rd liner, he’s being massive.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think they paid him all that loot to play on the 3rd line???

by Twigs on Feb 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

they didn’t, but that’s the way it turned out and it hasn’t failed. again, it’s NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, it’s about being 38-15-5.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

okay since money is absolutely no concern lets pay boyle prust rupp mitchell fedotenko and bickel 4.25 each… oh wait there’s something called a salary cap that’s right.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They are 38-15-5 in SPITE of Dubi’s lack of offense, not BECAUSE of it.

by Twigs on Feb 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

look at the team’s record for the past six weeks. 11-6-1 that doesn’t concern you at all?

yeah well we can win 50+ games this year does that guarantee anything beyond april 7th other than having home ice advantage? no. we have a glaring need for a scorer and dubinsky’s value has diminished which makes him expendable.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

One scorer doesn’t change that 11-6-1 ‘slide.’ The team has played shit-hockey for the past 3 weeks, and vintage Gordie Howe isn’t changing that one bit.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

right

SLIDE. 11-6-1, which could have been better with some borderline calls.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

okay another point. we’ve played some underachieving teams and yet we find a way keep them in a game.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

im just happy 11-6-1 is now considered a slide to the NYR!

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by NYC Jim347 on Feb 23, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

have you been watching this team? notice over the past month at the teams with quality goaltending. in the playoffs there’s gonna be quality goaltending as you move further and further into the playoffs. NJ, Pittsburgh and Boston.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

they beat Thomas 3-0. i think that counts. boston has lost every game this year to carolina. cbj destroyed the sharks the other day. what does that mean? it means you can’t win every night. you can lose to anyone. when you have a solid defensive core/corps, the odds are better that you can beat any team on any given night. all teams go through a slump, the wings, canucks, bruins, all have this year.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

to play your side of the argument, if they don’t do well in the next 3 games, i’ll start to be concerned. if they do what they’ve done all year, come back and go on another streak, then i’m not concerned.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

they’ve given us a big enough sample size to have growing concerns about our lack of scoring. i understand we’re a defensive team but at this point it’s about increasing our offense without really diminishing our defense, like i said dubinskys defensive abilities can be replaced by hagelin and others.

we have two scoring lines and only 1 out of the 6 player’s MO is to score.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing well and not scoring and playing like shit and not scoring are two completely different animals.

This team’s best hockey is when they play sound defensively (including the forwards) and use that to counter-attack. They’re just not built for an offensive shoot-out and aren’t talented enough to make mental mistakes on both ends.

They’ve played sloppy lately. Scoring doesn’t change that. Just ask the fucking Capitals.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Or the Kin-… wait the Kings don’t score.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

somehow, the Caps are more offensively challenged than the Rangers???

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No, they play sloppy, yet have scorers, yet don’t win games.

What I’m saying is games are won on team efforts, not by adding 1 30-goal scorer. 1 goal scorer doesn’t negate a poor effort, even with Lundqvist.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It was really more of a statement in disbelief. We are 12th in the league, they are 14th in the league in goals per game.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying he can’t, and that’s not even close to what I said.

What I’m glaring at are the folks who think he’s going to become a savior of everything with this team. They play like shit, RICK NASH!, they play poor defensively, RICK NASH!, we need goals..you get my drift.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

never said he was gonna be the savior because its a team… but at the same time he can be the guy that puts us over the top.

and moving forward he could ultimately replace gabby in two years when gabby’s an UFA.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

THAT makes sense, and is the only thing I see happening down the road, especially if Kreider is not in the deal. Then it becomes palatable.

And don’t get me wrong, I have always loved Rick Nash’s play. I’d hate losing McIlrath, I really would, but all in all it would probably work out.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

so rick nash can’t buy in?

and give added scoring depth on rushes when he takes defenders 1 on 1, or a guy who will actually shoot the puck on the powerplay?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

have you seen his stature? you don’t think he can bang bodies?

you guys make him sound like a prima donna.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he can throw his weight around

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

flyers

prime example. every night, it’s 6-5, 5-4, or 6-0 losses.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

with that said

i think Sather does this deal if CBJ is willing and LA/SJ doesn’t go first. just my gut feeling.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

anything to save him from himself when he gets to the FA market and decides he must spend to the cap so he signs another boneheaded contract like mike rupp

by nhl21 on Feb 23, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That Vermette trade leaves a wide open gap for Dubinsky to fit nicely into…

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

dominoes are beginning to fall… best place to know when shits going down… twitter… just follow the beat writers most of them update lineup changes and stuff… you better believe if a trade is imminent nash and carter won’t be in the lineup…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.leftwinglock.com/news/

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by Twigs on Feb 23, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you know Dubinsky and Nash are twins?

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

This deadline has made me insane

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

It is believed that Sather, who is not fazed by the ramifications of adding Nash’s contract that runs through 2017-18 at a cap hit of $7.8 million per year, is prepared to send Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and perhaps 2010 first-rounder Dylan McIlrath plus a first round pick to Columbus in order to bring the 6-foot-4, 220-pound, nine-year veteran to Broadway.

I’d do that, but I think both Thomas and McIllrath will have successful NHL careers

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

where'd that come from brandon?

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The article

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna go sit in the corner now

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were being sarcastic, honestly. Want to go with that?

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no i thought this was another source

serves me right for skimming

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha I always skim

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

When you have MILK that is…

okay that was a terrible joke. Though you don’t drink hard alcohol, or soft alcohol for that matter… so maybe you do enjoy skim milk… I hear it is healthier.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

you disappear for long stretches and come back with that?

and brandon doesn’t drink?

this is like my version of hell

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was pretty disappointing…especially when it’s a joke about Brandon…who is easy to rag on.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

because of the no drinking thing?

or is he hideously deformed?

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted a FanPost. It has a picture of a jet in it.

Just sayin’.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s Brandon. Spend more time in the GDTs and you’d understand.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You all hurt me

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not your fault Brandon!

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by Tripodi on Feb 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Single tear.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i've been big on dubi since he first signed a pro deal

but at this point he’s probably tapped out his offensive potential

IF and this is a huge IF sather can do dubi, thomas, mcilrath & a first for nash?

it’s a damned good move

looking at the numbers (and i’m an amateur when it comes to this)

dubi is signed through 2015 at 4.2

nash is signed through 2018 at 7.8

drury’s cap hit drops 2 mil next year, which by my shitty math means 6.2 of the 7.8 hit is already covered based on what’s on the roster

with almost 16 mil opening up next year, i think this is very manageable

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

What’s McIllrath’s slapshot like?

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

supposed to be good… he’s main asset is his tenacity though…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Well of course, he’s a scary beast, like myself.

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Still don’t like it. Mcilrath could bring something to the D core it hasnt had since Jeff Beukeboom. And with Sauer’s future a ?, he would be the only guy willing to clear the crease and protect Hank.

by I.Am.Spartacus on Feb 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Del Zotto’s shown that ability….sort of.

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

i have seen McIlrath play, but i imagine he’s a player like Sauer, a defenseman anyone needs. i agree with Sauer’s future uncertain, it wouldn’t be wise to get rid of a guy who could step into that role.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you. I had mentioned something earlier but I always get blasted for it. It would be great to have a mean, nasty defenseman who can skate. I mean Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, possibly Erixon, and an unsure future for Sauer…thank goodness Del Zotto plays twice his size. These guys do a great job at playing D but the physical side is just not in their nature.

My fear is that Hank is so ridiculous, that teams are going to come much harder at the net in an attempt to injure him. I’d like to have someone back there that is not going to hit them with their fanny-pack. This is all figuring that Bickel’s days are numbered.

by purinton on Feb 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. You need a guy that will strike fear into opponents. How fun would it be to watch a player like that against all our hated rivals. If he could develop into a 4th or 5th defensemen he could be a less skilled, but tougher version of Pronger who is willing to drop the gloves. Look at his fights in juniors, almost all of them are Mcilrath sticking up for teammates.

by I.Am.Spartacus on Feb 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Rick

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Guh, my laptop sucks. Rick Nash, I think

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Try again. Rick Nash I think solves every problem the Rangers have, really, but the price has to be right. Don’t jeopardize the future for the present.

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

I see us getting something else with Nash…I mean a later pick or a prospect. Sythe Lord Sather will make sure the deal is a good one. And I agree Nash really addresses all the weaknesses this team has, he is a legit power forward that we’ve lacked since……Messier?

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by earthworm on Feb 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Another NHL team headed for disaster?

The more I think about Columbus blowing up their roster, the more I scratch my head. I am seriously wondering, can Columbus afford to completely overhaul their roster right now? They are consistently at the bottom when it comes to attendance, They have made the playoffs only once in their 12 year history. They went crazy in trades and free agency this year and now they want a 5-6 year rebuild?

I am seriously wondering if Columbus fans are going to hang in there for another rebuild. Ohio is one of the poorest states in the United States. Are people willing to dish out their hard earned money to go watch a team that is in rebuild mode again? It really makes no sense as to why they would completely strip down this team and trade away the only talent they have. Why not build around these players like Nash and Carter? They are still young enough. Is trading away their only talent bringing them closer to success?

It looks to me like Columbus will be yet another team looking for a new home in the near future.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

well if the coyotes aren't moving any time soon

quebec and/or seattle should start sniffing around

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the coyotes are doomed as well.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

probably

but not in the short term if the sale is happening

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Still rather just keep Dubinsky and trade for Jeff Carter instead. 1st Rounder, Christian Thomas, lesser prospect and Wolski for Carter.

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Carter’s deal….

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What is the difference between 8 years and 10 years? Especially when one’s cap hit is 2.6 mil greater?

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know how different the landscape/CBA will be when either of those deals expire?

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

actually after this year carter has 10 and nash has 6 left.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake but I still don’t care about length anywhere near as much as I do about the size of the cap hit once you get beyond 3 years.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing about Carter’s contract is that the salary decreases in the last 4-5 years I believe, and if his NTC isn’t honored or hasn’t followed his contract, he eventually becomes an attractive trade piece for the ‘Moneypuck’ teams looking to hit the cap-floor yet pay less in salary and still have a serviceable player.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

carter isn’t a good fit… we need a physical kind of player and thats Nash… Carter isn’t a physical type player…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather have the better two way guy and the better skater; Carter fits better with our system regardless of how you perceiver either of their physical play.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

bout time somebody makes some sense…carter is a 2 way forward…WOW, U MEAN HE PLAYS OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, LIKE OUR SYSTEM IS RAN…MAKES SENSE!

by Xcalibre on Feb 23, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Cap hit

How can Sather not be concerned about the cap hit? With Step, AA and McD all due raises after next year and most of the rest of the team UFA the year after, they’d end up with Nash, Richards and a lot of spare parts in a couple years.

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because

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

due a raise… but all are RFA’s… they aren’t due significant raises… and if we acquire nash and move dubi and have about 12 mil this year i don’t see us signing any other big pieces this offseason more like filling holes left by feds and other players such as prust all those guys aren’t going to be bringing major cap hits… people want to sign parise in the offseason, and thats going to be the same as nash… and thats without getting rid of dubinsky’s contract

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This depends

Stepan, Del Zotto and mcDonagh might be in for monster raises. The Rangers will get lucky with Del Zotto since this is his last year of his ELC and he was off last year, but with Stepan and McDonagh the sky is the limit for moeny.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i’m not sure on arbitration rules and stuff… they will def get a bump the most substantial is probably McDonagh but i see him being locked up long-term

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Arbitration isn't exactly needed

although it might be. I have to check and see if any of the players are arbitration eligible. Either way, Sather wants Stepan and McDonagh locked up long term, while their agents want them on shorter deals.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s business

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

IIrc you can’t go to arbitration after your EL contract expires.

Assuming Sather continues as he did lately, he’ll sign them to contracts that will leave them with one year of RFA left. In that case, I’d guess MDZ could get about 2.5 – 3M, McD 3 – 3.5M and Stepan will be in the same range. That’s an increase of about 2M for each of them.

by M.R.M. on Feb 23, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re going to make this move, why not just do it for Carter?

Same fucking production for 50% less money and less assets going back the other way.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Way longer contract

you want 10 years of carter? i dont

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If your contract is frontloaded

Does that mean the cap hit is also frontloaded or is it averaged throughout the length of the contract?

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Cap hits are averaged, which is why some of these deals are front-loaded with money, because they hope a player retires at the end of the contract. It will and SHOULD change with the new CBA. NFL contracts tend to be the complete opposite (look at the horrible situation the Giants are in right now) because the cap-hit is the actual salary, so in order to sign expensive players and yet put a SB winner on the field, you back-load the expensive contracts, which force you to renegotiate or cut players.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant to say retire before the end of the contract, when the ACTUAL salary is very low (original Kovalchuk contract had 3 years of 1m each at the end).

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

cap hit is averaged. that’s why so many teams try to circumvent the cap. kovalchuk, pronger, franzen, zetterberg, probably richards, a few of the guys on chicago.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

literally the devils wanted to pay kovalchuk practically nothing for the last 3-5 years of the original deal.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The length doesn’t concern me as long as the hit per year. Who knows what $5 milllion will be worth in 8 years? Maybe that’s an average 2nd line player (like 3-4 million is today) and even than he be worth his contract.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Once you go beyond 4 years what difference does it really make? There’s going to be loopholes to get out of mistakes down the line; both contracts are staggering but at least Carter’s cap hit is a bargain; coupled with the fact that he can be had for about 60 cents on the dollar and he’s arguably a better player overall I really don’t see the advantage of Nash over him.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

meet rick

rick lives in ohio

he plays hockey for a crappy franchise

there isn’t much else to do

when teams call interested in trading for him, rick opens his eyes and wags his stick

then they leave because the demands are too high

so he plays. and waits. and remembers

the smell of winning, kisses from his mother. happy thoughts.

then he gets tired. and is forced to suit up again for the blue jackets

when you agree to make a deal with columbus, you help players like rick escape from the horrors of a broken home

help us help rick

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

the inspiration for anyone who didn't get it

this ad had me sobbing like a five year old girl because i have a pug named otis

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this makes me want to cry

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by Tripodi on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs that Sarah McLachlan song in the background.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That song makes me want to cry and then drown myself in my own personal puddle of cry juice.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas, McIllrath, Dubinsky and 1st rounder for Nash?

I would do it in a heartbeat, if not for his contract. I have reservations about taking up so much cap space with a few players, none of whom will even hit 80 points this year. Especially with the salary expected to decrease with the new CBA.

by Steeeve on Feb 23, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

what about wolski

the guy is getting paid pretty good for not playing in the NHL at all….what about Redden? What about Avery?…Im so glad i am a true NYer and a true NYR Fan. Got these turkeys chewing up our money and spots, just think with these chuckle-heads gone, we could clear up salary and be rid of dead weight….can i hear it one more time, “dubi gets overpaid” where last year “he was our savior, lets be rid of Gaborik!” Brainless, sweet brainless. Please someone, give me a debate, not something u get from ur NHL 94 days.

by Xcalibre on Feb 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Avery and Redden dont count

Their cap hits dont count when they’re in the AHL. We’re still paying them, but I doubt Dolan cares at this point. The only one taking up space is Wolski, and he’s a free agent after this season anyway.

by Steeeve on Feb 23, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a week or two of cable subscribers pays off his entire outlay for the Rangers whole season.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

not following the ramble

are you saying trade redden/avery/wolski in a nash deal?

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I asked this in another thread

…but the thread was nearing its end, and there wasn’t really any responses to it. It may be a stupid question (forgive me if it’s even dumber than I’m thinking), but is there any possibility that Columbus can/would eat some of Nash’s cap hit if he came here, like in the Avery/Jagr deals?

by niagareven on Feb 23, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

I believe that is no longer acceptable (Jagr deal) in the current CBA.

The reason half of Avery’s contract was (is) being paid by Dallas is because the Rangers claimed him off of re-entry waivers from the Stars, therefore we only took half of his cap hit as per the rules.

Having Columbus pay some of Nash’s contract isn’t possible.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

by niagareven on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem-o.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

also, for u joe fortunato

did hear the chants of " We do not want you" by the fans….or were u making ur NHL roster on PS3 with Nash in it. Ever play hockey dude? guys like Dubinsky are needed. u dont see richards or gaborik go against top line guys. prust boyle and dubinsky do that. Just last year dubinsky was our guy besides Hank….we are 11th in goals scored avg 2.75 a game….11th….so why do we need Nash/one dimensional player…please, i want to understand the ramble. i have played hockey in NY for years and i have never, ever, had seen fans want to bring a player who does not fit the system, like drury, gomez, jokinen, wolski to name a few…not being difficult, just a NYer

by Xcalibre on Feb 23, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

First of all

Joe Fortunato does not play PS3.

He plays Sega Genesis, while wearing his superman pajamas. Everyone who is anyone knows this.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The guys owns in NHL94

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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

NHL94 is, and forever will be, the greatest hockey video game ever.

Blades of Steel definitely gives it a run for its money though.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you lose the fight you go to the penalty box. The victor gets to stay on the ice.

BLADES. OF. STEEL.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What, no love for Mutant Hockey, where you could actually kill off enough of the other team to make them forfeit?

Modeled the game on the old Flyer teams.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

i was beat to the punch… i won so many championships on that game with that exact strategy

I piss excellence

by NYC Jim347 on Feb 23, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it is but the NHL games have gone downhill since

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by feslenraster on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way did you see my FanPost?

There is a picture of an eagle in it.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You can easily replace the third line talents of Brandon Dubinsky…and Nash is a better offensive talent. Also, Gaborik and Richards don’t play against a team’s top line because the coach wants them out against weaker lines its not because Dubi gallantly jumping over the boards to take on the big boys. You get Rick Nash and you have two very dangerous lines that other teams will have a hard time shutting down

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get Nash

You can be assured that Sather will do it on his terms, not Howson’s

Rangers FTW!

by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 23, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Anyone know Torts?

would love to know what his input is and how he feels about this. i’m sure he would like Nash, i guess? anyone have some ideas?

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure he has his input

but he’s a guy who will let the GM do his job and focus on the players he has to work with

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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s kind of what i would guess, although i have no idea personally. thanks.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Sather has asked him his opinion on if he can work with Nash

After all I remember Sather and Torts and the rest of the gang got together to discuss Richards.

While Tort’s say might not mean as much, he still has a say in what happens.

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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Torts said Yes, as long as I never have to hear Avery’s or Wolski’s name EVER again.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no doubts about that statement

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he definetly has an input on who is brought in… right now carter is not even in the discussion all signs point to carter to LA and Nash to either SJS or NYR… so i’m sure torts knows the deal… he’ll never say it out in the public because thats the type of coach he is… he still won’t acknowledge the fact that they arein first place.

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

sharks?

do you know who the proposed players are? i can’t see them moving pavelski or coutoure.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The Sharks are in on Nash too

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

SJ already said Couture is off limits. and if they won’t move pavelski i don’t see anyone else that’s young and has any potential.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

he has to be off limits. i watch sharks’ games, they don’t have a ton of depth. especially when you get past their 2nd line, and their D isn’t great.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone really want Carter though?

Nash- 7.8 million a year until 2018 (he’ll be 33 at the end of his deal).
Carter- 5.2 million a year until 2022 (he’ll be 37 at the end of his deal).

And I think Nash would have better numbers on the Rangers. I think they would have too much depth for other teams to focus on him, and he would find tons of space.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The length doesn’t concern me. If Carter doesn’t produce here, we move him. If Nash doesn’t, we could be stuck.

Also, if the cap continues to increase 5.2 million might be the pay an average 2nd liner gets, so even than Carter should be fine.

Is Nash 40% better than Carter, I would say no. That 2.6 million is the difference between Rupp and Callahan…………

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

we could be stuck with carter.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

if the cap continues to increase that gives us more flexibility even with nash.

people want carter without moving anyone but wont take nash for dubinsky and prospects…

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s because the cap hits. Most likely Carter will produce up to his, and Nash wont. Not saying definitely, but most likely.

Also, like my last comment said again, the 2.6 million difference is the gap between Rupp and Cally.

Cally + Carter of Nash + Rupp? You build deep teams by having players outproduce their contracts.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

typically the players that outproduce their contracts are home grown tho. unless you’re lucky enough to have a guy who’s signed to a long-term deal at a low cost which will probably cost you a king’s ransom in return anyway.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, people don’t see to get that.

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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 23, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

By all reports that we see, Carter costs less than Nash, and is signed to a long term deal…….

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

you think if he was putting up 35-45 goals his cost would be minimal?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t say “minimal”. Just less than Nash.

If Nash costs Dubi, Thomas, Mcilrath, and a 1st. Carter would probably cost Dubi, Thomas, and a 1st/2nd.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

okay my point is if he was producing at a level he has in the past it could easily be more.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s producing at the same level as Nash, essentially.

People are willing to give up everything for Nash though.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he has 15 goals. 6 in 2 games and a hat-trick the other night.

nash brings a physical aspect to his game and is probably on pace for over 100 hits again. fits the mold of the team better. nash can also play on the pk.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

???

Carter plays on the PK more than Nash, and if you ask any flyers fans they all complain about missing his backcheck.

Carter blocks more shots as well, if you want to get into the “fit the mold of the team better argument”. Carter can also play wing and center, and is therefore more versatile.

Oh, and since everyone is all about “we need the playoff experience to win”…

Nash has played 4 playoff games in his career. Yeah. 4.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhhh so lets hold it against him that his team has sucked…. seriously?

the same flyers fans that called him a cancer in the locker room? that supposedly wanted him out like people claim??

back to my original point if carter is producing at the level he has in the past he could easily require more in return.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy the locker room cancer bit. More is made of it by fans than is probably real.

by BigB22 on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh.

My point was in terms of people who argue that we need more playoff experience, so let’s get that out of the way first.

Nash and Carter are on the same team, and are producing at a similar level. Both players have their strengths and weaknesses, but the gap isn’t as big as people make it seem. In fact, there might not even be one.

Both have shitty contacts, but for different reasons. One is waaay to expensive, one is too long. I rather have the one that’s too long. Everyone is all about winning now, so why not take the smaller contract and keep some extra flexibility for another move down the line?

Lastly, one of them costs way more than the other because of the emotional tie to the fan-base. Why go for him over the other guy?

I’ll leave it at this. It’s unfair to call Nash elite but not Carter.

I think you need to start reading my posts twice before you respond with the same 3 comments that have nothing to do with what I typed. Obviously reading it once isn’t enough.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

because the “old guy” has done it for a longer stretch of time.

everything i said was relevant to what you stated.

fyi the insults are getting old buddy.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t you think phillys offense was a bit more talented than what nash was playing with over the years? or does that not matter?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It also means he’s sharing the puck with a lot more people, and the PP ice time. The ’he’s a superstar he’s only not producing like one because he’s on a terrible team,’ argument holds no water with me. Gaborik played on a crappy offense with the Wild, on an extremely defensive team and had no problem producing at over a PPG the few seasons before signing with us. He also continued this his first year with the Rangers even though he was playing with the likes of Dubinsky, Prospal and Christensen on an inept team.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. People will keep ignoring this though.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no it goes both ways… the flyers didn’t have 9 superstars. they had a few talented guys that made it difficult to defend one line.

how often has columbus had consistent scoring outside of nash?

outside of 05-06 when did the wild suck? pretty sure they were competitive and even won their division one of those years.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

What? Are you now going to argue that the Wild teams Gaborik was playing had a wealth of talented forwards? Are you saying that if Nash was on the Predators you wouldn’t be making the same asinine argument regarding him being the only offensive threat and it not being fair to judge his numbers because of this; even though the Predators make the playoffs every year (by not allowing goals).

This was the Flyers top 9 last year more or less:
Versteeg/Richards/Carter
Leino/Briere/Hartnell
JVR/Giroux/Zherdev

The year before they had Gagne instead of Versteeg/Zherdev and the year before that they had Upshall and Lupul instead of Leino. That’s a lot of talented forwards that also need the puck to put up numbers; and also take EV strength and PP time.

BTW Carter is on the same garbage Columbus team this year as Nash and has been hurt but he’s the one scoring at a 30 goal pace, not Rick ‘Superstar’ Nash.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s projected to over an 82 game season after he put up a hat-trick the last game.

lmao come on seriously? he took 100 more shots than anyone else on the god damn team!!!!!!!

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is moot now but whatever..

Does that game not count? In 10 games if the pace had been the same would you have pointed back at it?

Generating shots is a skill…a skill goal scorers possess, I don’t see why you’re pointing to that as a flaw. Cool with the exclamation points it doesn’t make any of your arguments any less wrong.

by KingHenrik on Feb 24, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter is an elite skater and has way more PK experience (especially recently) than Nash.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hits are so subjective it’s a waste to try and compare them. You can somewhat use them to compare players on the same team because they all have the same scorer each night, but once you go between teams, it’s a total crapshoot.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter is signed long-term at a lower-than-production cost, and we can get him for cheaper than Nash.

Plenty of people realize that home-grown players outproduce their contracts, and that’s why people don’t want tot tade our picks and prospects.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

who’s gonna take on a 10 year deal? Its not that easy to just move a 10 year contract

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If we trade for him that would mean he’s been moved twice.

Doesn’t seem too difficult.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but right not not many teams are even interested in him… but some give him the benefit of the doubt because of the team he’s on and because he was hurt… if he continues that downtrend it would make it that much more difficult to move him.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There are only like 3 teams looking to add Nash, and those are the same teams looking to add Carter. Even since he has come back from his injury Carter has been fine.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

In this down year with injuries he’s still scoring at basically the same rate as super-star power forward Rick Nash.

by KingHenrik on Feb 23, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But one of them is an “elite super-star” and one is “a locker-room cancer”

Keep up!

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

you never know Kevin

Col signed Jeff Carter to that 10-year deal after all

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Feb 23, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That was nightmare contract specialist Paul Holmgren.

He only read the cliffnotes version of the CBA.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ve already been over this. Carter costs less now, meaning this team would have more depth for this year (it was moreso when we all thought guys like MDZ/McD/Kreider would be included in any deal), and with the way his contract is structured, he can possibly be moved if he declines in any way (his salary goes down as the years move on making him attractive to Moneypuck teams), plus that extra 2.8?M can go to at least 1 big raise for an RFA.

Plus, he’s got more playoff experience (since some folks love to value that) and he would relish a chance to stick it up Philly’s ass 6+ times a year.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

can you all relax now? This all comes down to the trade I said a long time ago: Dubi, Thomas, MDZ or Erixon, and a #1. Sather will be “forced” to put Erixon in the deal to spare MDZ and it will get done. The Sharks? No way they give up Couture.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

LOL. Somehow that does not have me and probably others relaxed at all.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

write it down, Kreider, McD, Stepan, MDZ, Miller aren’t going anywhere. Erixon, Thomas, and maybe even AA (but probably not) are a different story. If the CBJs don’t get Erixon in this deal then they will wait until the draft.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t doubt that MDZ, Stepan, Kreider, McD are untouchables. I just don’t want Rick Nash. But I really don’t think Nash goes anywhere until the draft if at all.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the cap hit but this guy can help us win a Cup. and if Dubi is the only roster player to go then to me it’s a no brainer if the players we mentioned are not in the deal. Sather does not appear to be worried about the cap hit.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, the deal for CBJ sucks. What are they getting. Dubinsky? A late 1st-rounder in a weak draft? A couple prospects that people seem happy enough to piss away? For the only face of their franchise?

IF this deal goes down, for that last proposal Sather reportedly offered, I guarantee you Nash told Howson he wanted out. Only acceptable reason for such a poor return for Nash, contract or not.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m telling you that Erixon will be the “oh, ok” add to the deal instead of McIlrath.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, Erixon told Calgary to literally fuck themselves to get out of there, yet a team like CBJ is going to ‘want’ a player like that, AFTER what they saw what happened with Carter? They’d have to be fucking DELUSIONAL.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand but the CBJ scouts were in Hartford for a reason: to scout Erixon. Erixon will be better than MDZ, IMO, but he’s unproven right now.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, Nash wants out and the owner wants to cut costs. If Nash isn’t traded by Monday then I will be shocked.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It won’t really hurt cost wise to keep him the rest of the year. If Columbus pulls this trigger before the deadline, I would imagine it being a very one side deal their way. I think they would be stupid to not get 10-15 teams involved instead of 2-4 teams. IMO, and I have said this a few times this week. If it isn’t done by Saturday or early Sunday it doesn’t get done on the deadline. Players like Nash rarely move in the 11th hour on deadline day. Too much work involved.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They can’t get other teams involved if Nash doesn’t open up his NTC restrictions.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s exactly right. Nash wants the Rangers, make no mistake about it. the west coast travel is awful. I can see Carter going out west. the CBJs need to blow it up and getting rid of the 2 stars is the way to do it. Dubi, Thomas, Erixon, and a #1 is a good package. don’t underestimate Erixon or Thomas. Maybe St. Croix gets added for good measure.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if Nash wanted the Rangers exclusively, the Kings, Sharks, Flyers, etc would not have made his list. Maybe, if he was a UFA after this year. But he knows wherever he goes, chances are he isn’t moving anytime soon.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not everyone wants to play in new york. lets face it, if you don’t play up to your contract, you get immediately thrown under the bus. every pro athlete knows this, and if they don’t, their agent reminds them.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that, But he will be open to more teams next year I think. Because who knows what direction some teams take in the off season. And who knows what the cba will bring. There are 10-15 teams that are competitive in this league. I’m sure if he really wants out of Columbus he will open the list a little bit.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, most likely, I agree there will be more opportunities for him, and CBJ knows that if it’s very limited, then they aren’t able to drive up the price with a bidding war.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash won’t do it. he drives the ship. I can guarantee you he wants out now and sees the Rangers as a way to contend for the Cup. hes tired of losing.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think Columbus drives the ship in this situation. He’s signed long term. He has 3 options really if management holds him to his contract,. Stay here, open your list or retire.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

not at all, Nash is calling the shots, IMO

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

How could that be? I mean if it boils down to it ,Columbus could let him rot where he is today. Even if he was a RFA at the end of the year he would have more leverage than the Jackets. Being signed for the next 6-7 years basically leaves him stuck if the Jackets play hardball. Now I doubt very much they want a disgruntled player around, but they do have him signed.

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

the question is how long will management be around? i don’t think howson cares enough that he’ll play hardball knowing he probably won’t be around much longer.

by jdileone9 on Feb 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad that names like that are considered "untouchable"
Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, 2009 first-rounder Chris Kreider and 2011 first-rounder J.T. Miller

So much youth, talent, and potential with these guys. I would hate to see us move them when we are just aching to “win now”. The direction the team is currently in tells me that we have to look at any potential trades very carefully and go after deals that don’t hamstring us for a stable future.

I am not saying that a small part of me wouldn’t be happy that we got Rick Nash… I have always loved him. We spent so many hours on NHL together, I would do the “fantasy draft” to build a franchise and I would make sure to get him or trade for him… but that was long ago… like only two years ago or so. Ancient history.

Glad that this is what we are hearing from management.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

I've said it before

I would do dark and evil things in order to get Rick Nash on the Rangers, but trading guys like MDZ McD, Kreids, and Miller is a line I will not cross

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and they won’t guys. so if we get Nash at Sather’s terms then we will all be very happy. Nash is a game changer. and would give us the 2nd sniper on the team.

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Killing a puppy dark, evil things or setting off fireworks outside of a burn ward dark, evil things?

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll leave it up to your imagination

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dangerous move.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet…its the perfect explanation

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys should check out this article from Puck Daddy

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/player-nhlers-trade-deadline-nothing-stress-tension-awkward-171904876.html?cmp=fb&csShare=true

very interesting look at the trade deadline

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

I read that one. It’s interesting to see how players feel about the trade deadline.

by M.R.M. on Feb 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

great article, i wonder who it is lol

by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I say we go for Carter

if we can’t get him.

Go for Nash.

screw Dubinsky

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

except

this isn’t a 1 for 1 projected deal.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

i know man lol obv Dubi+++

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

just for the record

I DO NOT have man love for Dubi. i guess i just love this team right now. but if i’m wrong and everyone else is right, then i win too.

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by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

if we are going for Carter I say we do not give up a Roster Spot

If Nash then Dubi+++

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, Carter can probably be added for a 1st/3rd and a prospect or two. Not his original trade value, but it’s damn close.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And it makes the team much deeper because you have at least 2 of Dubi/AA/Hagelin rocking the 3rd line.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Spark up a duby. LOL

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If they want him to play wing, because they have Rich/Kopi already, but he fits the same bill as he does here. We have C depth, but he can play either.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Feelings… nothing more than feelings…

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

well

it would be a good idea for the Kings, I could personally care less about their success, but they cant score more than 1 goal and get shutout so often lol, they need to make moves.

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i think they’d keep the GAS line together.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i say

we beat him, then we tatto em, then we hang em and den we kill em!

I piss excellence

by NYC Jim347 on Feb 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks For the laughs

Now which one of you has spoken to Glen Sather, Gordie Clark, Jeff Gorton or John Tortorella?

I keep seeing the phrase “itis believed” to describe Sather’s thought process.

If that is the case then 90% of the rumors have no clue as to what Sather is really thinking.

Glen Sather’s track record clearly shows that he will NOToverpay for a player Columbus want to move.

Not sure where people get this idea that NYR have enough defensive depth to include McIlrath because they don’t.

Brandon Dubinsky has been trade bait since the day he was drafted. yet he remains.

Let someone else have Nash and his cap hit

by theprospectpark on Feb 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

love the work over at prospect park

by easygents on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

THANK YOU.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe not depth, but our entire defense is under the age of 26… so we are looking at a long time of this core if they are all retained, and thats barring drafting and ufa signings…

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by Clalicata17 on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If we do get him..

I swear to fucking god he better be a monster and we better win a fucking cup the next 2 years.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Thats what i've been saying for two weeks.

I’ve been saying if we do get him and we don’t win it all this year or next i’m going to be pissed. Not to mention I expect 35 goals or more.

If the Rangers do get him and they don’t win it all i’m starting up the fire sather rallies again.

HENRIK LUNDQVIST OILS LIKE HE'S GETTING A HIMMER. DO YOU?

by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If we do get him, I will put the highest of expectations on him and I will expect him to produce to those expectations. Everyone things playing with better players will result in him producing more, so you guys better hope you are right.

When you make a trade for an “elite player” with an “elite contract” and you give up an “elite package of players and prospects”, that player better fucking play at an “elite” level.

If he comes in here, we win nothing, and he puts up 30-30-60, I’m going to be FUMING.

And if we do get him, we should flip Wolski for Boyes:

AA Step Gabby
Nash Richie Cally
Hagelin Mitchell Boyes
Feds Boyle Prust

That lineup I can deal with, for now.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good lineup for right now.

Hagelin can take over PK duties from Dubi and Boyle Prust and Feds can play 4th liner roles for the first time like their supposed to.

I also don’t want to see rupp in the lineup come playoff time. He would not fit on that 3rd line if the rangers traded for Nash.

HENRIK LUNDQVIST OILS LIKE HE'S GETTING A HIMMER. DO YOU?

by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear that Moshe! At this point I am just sick and tired of hearing it. I don’t want him but if we get him he BETTER outperform anything he has done so far.

Jeff Carter this, Bobby Ryan that, Rick Nash will score 30 goals in NY using his wiffle ball bat!

That’s the last Adam Sandler reference I make this week, I swear. I’m calling my cable company now and cancelling encore!

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Two quick thoughts.

10:01 Joe? Couldn’t get it up by 10 haha

I wonder what the players’ girlfriends would say about them being untouchable

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Couldn’t get it up
girlfriends
untouchable

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Always here for some humor

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

10:01 is 10:01 backwards…

BLACK IS WHITE UP IS DOWN.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

he had to get confirmation from the official clock in Toronto

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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao!

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted this joke first

Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.

"We can trade Lisin for a gun, then hold it to Drury’s head and make him waive the no-movement clause" - XLII

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Which clock are we going by for that?

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Awww shit son

Joke within a joke mo’fuggas

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

the banhammer clock that's who!

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Awww shit son

That is a pretty good clock.

Joe wears that thing around his neck like Flav-a-Flav.

Or however you spell that dude’s name.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

we work off the NHL clock not MSG’s

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I got Kevin having it first, but you’re the boss, so you got it!

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone get the new ESPN magazine?

There’s an article titled “The NHL’s Premier Player isn’t Crosby, Ovechkin, or Lidstrom”
Guess who it is.

by jhipko13 on Feb 23, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Anson Carter.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Labarbra

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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

NASH

or Stamkos….

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Marek Malik.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Pavel Brendl was my next guess

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid guess. If Malik is wrong I am going to go with Tomas Kloucek.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Josef Balej

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t think of the guy we had in the late 90’s. They called him spackle because he filled in at any position. he was up there too

by Dizzybizzy on Feb 23, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Goneau
Vorobiev
Ken Gernander

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god I was in college for the late 90s.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Would’ve probably drank more if I was up here.

by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 23, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Jorge Posada

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

/ban

NOBASEBALLJOKESBRANDON.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m tired!

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If Kevin was here he would spray you with the water bottle because you are misbehaving again.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot the rolled up newspaper again?

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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Can yo both check yo twitts

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

king?

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

Kick save AND A BEAUTY by Giacomin!

by dsteak on Feb 23, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

You what?

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird, don’t know

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, what do you know BC? Other than the difference between a slider and a sinker?

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know my name I think

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, you what?

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by Kevin Power on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t remember writing that

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by Brandon C. on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The suspense is killing me.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

getting the sense based on the tonal change people are tired of talking about rich nash

so how about

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

rick* nash

i must be tired of him too

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Or you subconsciously think he is very, very wealthy.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

7.8 mil a year

he’s richer than me

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is richer than a lot of people.

The real question is, is he “has his own swimming pool filled with gold coins” wealthy. Like one Mr. Scrooge McDuck.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

there's rich and there's wealthy

nash is rich

james dolan is wealthy

rich means you can buy a nice car and drive around with hot girls

wealthy means you get to sit around on your fat ass flying in musicians on your private helicopter to your long island residence so you can pretend you’re a lead singer in a blues band

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by joereiter on Feb 23, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign me up for some wealthy.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Rock had a skit about that, and I’m really paraphrasing cuz I don’t remember it perfectly.

“Here’s the difference between being rich and being wealthy. Being wealthy is something you keep through generations. Rich is something you can piss through with a freaky summer and a drug habit. Shaq is rich. The white guy who signs his check is wealthy.

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by Caerid11 on Feb 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a great special.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s someone not on that list, who would make perfect trade bait…Artie. Anisimov is movable, has a “lesser” contract, and can fit something else Columbus will need…a player to fit with Nail (oh, yes, pun), and possibly two with Fedetenko.

Cap hits fit, players blend into Columbus’ system, this makes sense on both sides for Howson as opposed to trying to pry Dubinsky away.

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I rather give up Dubi than Artie, at least personally.

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by Moshe52792 on Feb 23, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You would Moshe…wouldn’t you?

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

With relish.

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Would you trade Wolski for an end to Trade Discussion threads

meaning we trade wolski to somebody for nothing, get nothing in return except a 100% promise that Sather makes no moves before and on the trade deadline on Monday 3PM.?

:)
i would

by rain-g-errs on Feb 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

He’s probably going to Colorado for a pick along with MZA. Just my best guess.

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

twitter world is blowing up.. columbus is holding a press conference?

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Don't get excited.
Daren Millard ‏ @darenmillard

Told the action at nationwide arena and the re-arranging of the media room is for a season tix event.

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by Dig Deep on Feb 23, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

lol i just saw that.

by jdileone9 on Feb 23, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Knew that was coming. Those two are essentials to this team’s success.

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by Danz10 on Feb 23, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As nice as that deal looks for Nash...

I still wouldn’t do it. I’ve said it earlier and I’ll say it again, there is literally no compensation for Nash’s cap hit. There is nothing the Blue Jackets could give us that justifies Nash coming here all because of his cap hit.

Personally, Jeff Carter isn’t someone I like that much either, but I’d prefer him over Nash. Plus his cap hit is nice, and we would most likely give CBJ a lesser return. But, still I don’t like the idea of getting Carter that much either. I feel that the best move is the one not being made.

For this years cup run, I think we definitely need to bring in a forward, doesn’t have to be someone expensive, but someone. Now, that’s just only for this years cup run, but if you’re thinking about the future and the next 5+ years, then the best move is not making any. Let these guys get their playoff experience together, let them continue to work with each other. Don’t tie up our salary in another big player, get Callahan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Stepan, Hagelin, McD, MDZ, and Staal get another year under their belts, it can only help.

Patience is the key to this team.

I have a man-crush on Anisimov
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by Tripodi on Feb 23, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

The thing a lot of you are missing...

The fact that Dubinsky, McIlrath, Thomas, and the pick are what Sather offered, not what Howson wants. If that were the case then this deal would have been over before the incredibly ridiculous amount of Rich Nash threads took over this site. There is no way Columbus will give up Nash for that group. They want one of our untouchables, at least, which won’t happen. Nash will either stay in Columbus, or go to LA or San Jose. If he stays then he’ll become a target of a lot of other teams this summer. I just want this deadline to be over so we can get back to Rangers hockey.

by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

after catching up and getting my daily Ranger reading in from various sources it appears that Sather will only trade for Nash if the CBJs accept what Glen is offering. Also, just read that Torts said on ESPN radio that he feels the Rangers aren’t quite ready to win the Cup this year. So read between the lines in saying it’s either what Glen is offering or go trade Nash somewhere else. Well I that’s comforting, no?

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Well I THINK that’s comforting, no? sorry, lol

by Richter1994 on Feb 23, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Miller to replace Dubi’s spot in a year or two

by bcranger21 on Feb 23, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Personally

I'd trade the entire team for some Gash right now

Rangers FTW!

by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 23, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

reporting in for another epic nash trade thread. whatd I miss?

by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

whoops, wrong thread. well.. not really but yes really because this isnt the particular nash trade thread i meant to post in.

by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 23, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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