Ryan Smyth rumors
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 7:26 AM EST
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Yeah it is that time of the year when rumors are abundant. Latest out of the NY Post has Brooks claiming that Ryan Smyth would waive his NTC to come to the Rangers.
He doesn't say if the NYR have the same interest but given Slats history with Smyth and that he would fill the tough scoring LW you could assume there would be some interest depending on price.
Smyth is on his last year of his contract and his cap hit would be around $1.4mil at the time of the trade deadline, enough to fit with the Rangers if we traded/demoted WW.
On pace for another 20g season, 4th year in a row, it appears he is still productive. His 4ppg would place him 3rd on the NYR.
Thoughts?
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Interesstttinnnggggg hmm
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 3, 2012 7:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I love how us getting a Rental Ryan Smyth isn’t the big deal to you, the fact that it doesn’t bone the crazy pipedream to sign Parise is the big deal.
What are we going to pay Parise?
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We can pay parise.
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Parise is very doable. For argument sake lets say he gets $6.5m. Minus Dubi $4.2m minus $2mil of Drury buoy cap hit basically covers it.
You still have WW $3.8, Avery , Fed $1.4, Avery $2 another spare D coming off the books as well
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
All needing to get paid.
Next year:
Del Zotto leaving his EL contract.
Two years from now:
McDonagh, Stepan, Hagelin leaving their EL contract.
We have plenty of guys coming off the books too, don’t get me wrong I understand that. And we could probably find a way to fit Parise if we let a few guys go. But what is that going to do to the depth of the team and will it be worth it? In many ways I feel like we went after our huge free agent with Richards, it isn’t something we can just repeat this upcoming summer. Should we rule it out? No. But I think we should try and be realistic about guys who are going to have to get paid that we want to keep.
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But all being RFA. If you look what happened with Dubi, Cally, AA, etc.. on their first year RFA they got about $1.2 bump.
I have played with the numbers and it can still be done. Sure you have to look ahead but you can always adjust things as well.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind him, if the asking price is right. He is someone who makes a living out of getting ugly goals in front of the net. Might even help the powerplay.
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Yeah, just saw Smyth’s cap hit ($6.25m). Like the player, but no.
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Even as a rental? Even if he replaces Rupp in the lineup?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve stopped pretending Rupp is coming out of the lineup.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
at the deadline it's half that.
you just demote Wolski and it’s all gravy.
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"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
It is less then half, I put it in the original post.
$1.4mil at deadline time. We have 3.4 in space as right now as it is, dont even need to remove someone for cap reasons.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
We can add $3.4m worth of contracts right now. Difference. Smyth’s $6.25m doesn’t fit, and wouldn’t fit at the deadline either.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes it would since you dont take on the full cap hit of his contract. As of right now Smyth is at $2.1
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
even if you wanted to ignore that, a WW demotion plus our room is enough.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming you’re looking at capgeek, you’re confused. We have about $1.1m in space right now, which means we could add a $3.4m player (because he costs us a 1/3 of that). That’s how capgeek currently has it listed.
With the same space, at the deadline, we can add a $5.4m player on deadline day. Still need to shed room, and yes, I understand Wolski is enough to take care of that.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, you are correct. I read it wrong, kinda confusing.
So it could still be done but would need to move or demote WW which seems pretty likely. WW, Bickle and a 4th for Smyth would be my proposal.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wa wa waaaaaaaa
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t there a picture of Anson Carter and your other favorite activity awaiting you?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
lets trade fedotenko for wolski
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how about wolski for smyth
since slats isn’t into trading with himself
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I think they are looking for D.
Could be Bickel and a pick. Maybe another reason why they sent Woy down to get back in shape.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
i meant trade with hartford haha
call me sentimental, but i still think we need to give wolski some ice time. hot tub or not, he’s got some of the best hands in the show. the year before last, he put up like 65 points.
then again, i might still be in love with the fact that he was the simple “bonus” we got after dumping roszival. i can admit that.
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Probably comes on the cheap, he’s looking to win a cup, and he’s the type of personality that would fit in well with this team.
Out of any of the available options, he might be the best fit.
Agreed
Smyth fits well. He would be good on the PP, he grinds on the boards, and he scores dirty goals. We need offense and heaven knows we need to do something with our pitiful PP.
Let's Do It
Wonder what it will take to get him though? Is Dubinsky enough? Or do the Oilers want more?
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 3, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Same as in 2007
But didn’t the Islanders give a little more to get him?
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 3, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Smyth won’t cost much since he has a NTC so he can dictate where he goes and if he goes AND it’s the worst kept secret that he will re-sign with the Oilers after this year because he wants to retire an Oiler. so he is a pure rental. like Caerid said, throw them a 3rd rounder and let’s move on. don’t forget the relief of his cap hit for the rest of the year is a + for the cash restrictive Oilers as well. addition by subtraction.
Only 2 reasons to trade Dubinsky, either now or during the off-season.
1. Part of a package for a pure goal-scoring winger that’s either under contract or is willing sign an extension/new contract etc.
2. As cap relief if we get a significant contract coming back or to chase a high-priced FA (Parise).
Not fur UFA rentals.
One of the better Oilers’ guys thinks Wolski + some prospect/draft filler should do the trick.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda what I said earllier. WW and Bickle or 4th
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
no way that gets it done. the rangers tried trading WW and no one wants him especially a cash restricted team like the oilers. if the bees are involved in getting smyth or even the wings then the price goes up. I suspect that Smyth will agree to go to a cup contender (rangers, Bees, wings, etc). if that deal gets it done then how come he’s not here already? lol
The Oilers have an annualized cap payroll of $60.4M. They’re not the Islanders or Coyotes.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention this would save them about $550k prorated (done at the deadline)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 3, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
alls I’m saying is that a 3rd round pick is much more valuable to the oilers than a stiff like WW. WW was offered all around the league and there were no takers. Rangers would have probably had to add to any WW deal as incentive for the team to take him off their hands. what a waste (“WW”) of talent.
When was he offered to the entire league?
And a guy that has shown for the majority of his career that he can hold down an NHL job is almost always more valuable than a 3rd round draft pick, particularly one that will most likely come in the later part of the 3rd round.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would think he has a bit more value then no value.
He has shown he can play and score in this league. He really has only played 46 games for us and before that 54 for PHO. Our system was never a good match for him.
I can see a team thinking if they gave him some quality time and let him settle in he might produce once again. You give him the rest of the season to try out. If it works out you sign him with a pay cut.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
When was he offered to the league?
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I have read that Sather offered him around the league and there were no takers. why are you surprised? his cap hit is a problem even prorated.
Where have you read that?
I haven’t seen it anywhere. His cap hit pro-rated is really an issue. Your telling me no one would give up a 7th round pick for him? I smell bullshit.
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I was looking for it. I thought Brooks said it. I read so many things that I can’t remember exactly. but WW was sent down so obviously there were no takers for trade. other teams can now wait until he gets re-entreed and pay 50% if the rangers try to re-call him and claim him then. again why is it BS? WW is a stiff.
He wasn’t sent down. He was not placed on waivers. It is a conditioning stint, not the same thing whatsoever.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, like BiP said below, it was a conditioning stint.
Sure, he’s a stiff. But he’s a stiff that’s capable of putting up 50 points in a season like he has in the past.
That gives him enough value where he is worth a pick.
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he’s too soft and his career is already in jeopardy at the tender age of 25. a total waste of elite talent. you can’t play this game if you’re afraid of contact.
I’m not defending him as a great player or anything.
I’m just saying that the talent is there and teams will be willing to take a shot on him next year, even if its at a cheaper price.
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he'd be good for us this year
he’ll fit right in with our style and help score goals in the playoffs when scoring dirty goals is what gets you wins most of the time.
“I’ve moved four times in the last five years. I came (to Edmonton) for a reason.” – Ryan Smyth, asked about Rangers
Looks like Larry pulled this one out of his ass.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Easy ingredients for a near deadine stort:
1) scan rosters of non-contending teams
2) look for impending UFAs
3) look for older guys that haven’t won a Cup
4) look at potential buyers and their respective needs
Happens pretty much every deadline.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
“A well-placed source told The Post that Smyth…would give serious consideration to waiving his no-move clause in order to pursue a Cup on Broadway.”
So is the source full of shit? Is Larry full of shit and his source is his dream last night?
Or was it planted to gauge player reaction and to get the conversation started?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows who the source is?
And how often has Larry been right about these sort of things? Honest question, I have no idea what the answer is.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 3, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks standing by his source
NYP_Brooksie Larry Brooks
Bcause, you know, players always tell the truth to the media a month before the deadline when asked if they would waive a no-move clause.
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 3, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know this for a fact, but im sure that if roles were reversed and the Rangers were in the gutter looking to trade an old upcoming UFA brooks would ask that guy to address those rumors knowing that he probably wouldnt tell the truth anyway
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 3, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well it certainly does not help EDM by him saying he would only go the the NYR. It puts them in a tough spot with negotiations.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 3, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
sather is smart enough to know what the deal is even if smyth doesnt say it publicly
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 3, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
challenge
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cmon. sather may not be the smartest guy on july 1st but he knows what hes doing in late february. hes been around long enough to know who has the leverage in a trade negotiation despite whats said in the media
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 3, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
can't wait till the trade deadline comes and goes
so all the trade rumors disappear and I know what team we will be winning the cup with this year
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 3, 2012 4:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
From a friend who knows Sather. This deal is done. No info on who went the other way but word is Smyth is about to become a Ranger.
Then again, he also told me Sather said Bobby Ryan was a done deal back in December. Sauer injury nixed the deal they had in place is what I was told. I can’t imagine they gave up much for Smyth with his NTC.
by Isaiah D on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeahhhh
I’m agreeing with you, I don’t believe this for a second.
I’m tired of all these people on here and “their sources”, I’ve seen it from at least 4 people lately that their sources are telling them what the Rangers are doing and thinking. Don’t believe any of that at all for 1 second.
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Believe it or not I can tel you that my source is definitely telling me what will happen!!!
And I will even name my source unlike most people. MaryJane is her name.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
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Here it goes down
down into my belly
mmm mmm mm.
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you're not that idiot who used to post on worldcrossing back in the day with scoops because you knew someone who knew a guy who played tennis with neil smith, are you?
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lol
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 4, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Banter certainly has degraded in the years I’ve been on here. This used to be the primo Ranger blog out there. Disappointing that the majority of posters choose to resort to name calling rather then engage in intelligent conversation. I’ll continue to enjoy Smurf’s advanced stats articles and sift through the juvenile drivel for the gems the site still has to offer.
by Isaiah D on Feb 4, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Smyth does become a Ranger I'll lend you some credibility.
Why are you surprised no one believes someone else over the internet?
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 4, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
i havent seen you post anything on here saying that you have a source that is saying the rangers will get player x or y. i dont think anybody will take your word for gospel until you call a few things before they happen. in this age of fake insiders like eklund and incarceratedbob and other people on twitter/blogs claiming to have sources and being wrong 100% of the time you cant believe everybody that claims to have a source. maybe you do have a friend that knows sather, but until you prove it by breaking a couple moves, then everybody is gonna take you with a grain of salt
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 4, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I didn’t realize that people would make shit like this up to get kudos on banter. I’m not a newspaper reporter trying to sell in a dying industry or a website owner garnering for clicks. I shared the info because I trust the person that said it and he does have a relationship with Sather. I don’t really give a shit what anyone believes or doesn’t believe, just don’t expect to be called a liar. Wtf would I have to gain by fabricating something like this? I came on this thread to see what people thought about the trade, not to defend the viability of it happening. Do we want an older rental player? I’m against mortgaging the future for a cup run this season but not convinced Ryan Smyth is going to be the difference maker I would hope for. Hopefully the deal doesn’t go through, I can be wrong and the Rangers add the perfect LW to the mix. I don’t really care as long axe the Rsngers win.
by Isaiah D on Feb 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
^^He’s got a point.
Sorry you weren’t happy in how you were treated. I think people are just tired of trade scenarios in general, so maybe the anger was directed towards that and not towards you? At least hopefully.
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i dont think any of the people that commented meant to offend him personally but i cant speak for them. i for one am tired of everybody claiming they have sources when they dont. maybe isaiah does have a legit source, but its impossible to trust anybody if you havent seen this person be right before. if isaiah or anybody else nails a few trades or signings or what have you then everybody here will applaud him
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well I’m not saying to treat it like a legit source.
I’m saying that we could just talk about the scenario, why it makes sense and why it doesn’t, and how it’ll effect the team.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
What everyone else said^^^
Plus, name calling? Show me exactly where someone called you something this thread? That’s right, you can’t. I called bullshit on you. That’s it, honestly if all that gets your panties in a bunch then clearly you aren’t mentally tough enough to comment on an online Ranger blog. Sheesh.
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