Blueshirt Banter Discussion: Are Bigger Moves On The Way For The New York Rangers?
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 4, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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Yesterday Glen Sather shockingly found a suitor for Erik Christensen, sending him to the Minnesota Wild. The move, while minor at first sight, might, in fact, lead to a bigger move at the deadline.
While the money aspect isn't major either -- the Rangers only saved $925K with the move -- it did remove a logjam at the forward position. There have also been rumblings that Sather might be looking to move Wojtek Wolski -- who hasn't made an impact for the Rangers at all this season.
If the Rangers are going to pull off another big move, they're going to need to clear more space. In that aspect, trading Wolski makes sense, but if John Tortorella is pleased with what he has we might not see anything happen this season.
So I ask all of you, do you think the Chrisensen trade is a prelude to bigger things for the Rangers? Go ahead, the floor is yours.
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Whalers snapped their 11 game losing streak last night with a 3-2 victory… Wolski with the game winner, give and go with Zucca.
he finally got out of the tub
maybe the whalers just don’t have a tub hahahha
Well at the very least its getting our house in order to allow something to happen. Have to think something else is in the works. Slats didn’t sit tight last year when we had even a less of a chance to make some noise.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 8:10 AM EST reply actions
Didn’t Sather do the exact opposite of not sitting tight at the deadline last year?
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? The opposite of not sitting tight would be sitting tight. He didn’t sit tight last year, he brought in McCabe to help for the playoffs. My point was if he did that last year when there was a less chance of us going deep he is sure to do something this year.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think his point might be that he didn’t move any real valuable pieces to get McCabe, but rather expendable ones.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that was my point. McCabe was essentially third pair defenseman for us so I wouldn’t call it a big move
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ok got it. But I didn’t say it was going to be a big move, just that he wasn’t going to do nothing.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
See, this is where we disagree.
Didn’t he give up a 2nd round pick. Last time I checked, those picks are valuable.
And what did we get out of it? Nothing.
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check that, I think we gave up two 2nd rders for Erixon. I think it was Tim Kennedy and a 3rd for B Mac. And I think the acquisition of McCabe was indeed a minor one, maybe slightly more significant than EC getting traded for a bag of Churros and a Dr. Pepper.
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It was a third, and yes while we lost some value, we got that back by trading Grachev who didn’t really fit. All in all it didn’t really hurt us organizationally so I would consider it a very minor loss.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Erixon + 5th for two 2nds and Horak
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that it’s minor.
My issue is that third round pick has a good chance, especially with our recent drafting, at becoming a solid roster play.
It was painfully obvious that McCabe wasn’t going to propel us from a borderline playoff team to a cup favorite.
And to CRF below me:
Trading Grachev does not get us that value back. Trading Grachev was going to net us a 3rd round pick regardless, so we still lost a 3rd rounder by trading for McCabe.
Minor loss sure, but on the off-chance that the 3rd round pick becomes a Callahan, it’s not worth it.
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The chances a 3rd rd pick makes the big league are very low. The cost of a 3rd rd pick to gain playoff experience for all the kids on the team far outweigh that pick. even if it did turn out to be a Callahan it would be years before he would have any impact. These kids needed playoff experience now.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's not true
Not many become highly productive players, but many make the NHL. Taking 2005 as an example, at least 18 out of 30 (60%) have made the NHL to date, led by All-Star Kris Letang and top goalie Jonathan Quick. In addition, I count our own Brodie Dupont, Kris Russell, Evan Brophey, Richard Clune, Radek Smolenak, Perttu Lindgren, Teemu Laakso, Cody Franson, Danny Syvret, Phil Oreskovic, Mikko Lehtonen, Mark Fraser, Ben Bishop, Marc-André Gragnani, T. J. Hensick and Oskars Bartulis.
by LJR on Feb 6, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
For 2006 the percentage is lower; I have 12 out of 30 (40%), but hardly very low, and these players are young enough that more will likely make the NHL eventually. I have Jonas Junland, Brian Strait, Ryan White, Rookie of the Year Steve Mason, Brad Marchand, Cal Clutterbuck, Theo Peckham, Vladimir Zharkov, Kevin Quick, Jon Matsumoto, Tom Sestito and Kaspars Daugavins,
by LJR on Feb 6, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Thank you.
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Weak draft this year. They are saying 2nd round skill starts at about 16th
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think there is some elite talent at top but a big drop off pretty quickly.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Deep for defensemen
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lmao
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So trade the picks :)
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I think this team needs to make some kind of move to bring in a scorer. They’ve played really well all season but of late, the lack of goal scoring beyond Gaborik is looking more and more like it could catch up to them. Dubinsky/Anisimov may be better suited for 3rd line duty going forward. I’m not sure how confident I am in either one going forward in giving this team the consistent scoring needed from a top 6 player.
I’m of the opposite school of thought. I believe that if you keep AA/Dubi in top six positions, there game will turn around.
One things for sure. Playing AA with Fedotenko and Rupp is not going to get his goal scoring back up.
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Pack line needs to come back IMO. I think it well help both Dubi and AA.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree completely. People might hate it but I think it gives us two lines (pack line and Feds-Boyle-Prust) that can take out other teams top competition.
People will completely disagree with me of course, but if those 3 are together, the other 6 guys in the top 9 positions should consist of BR, Gabby, Step, Wolski, Hagelin, and Mitchell.
Break those up how you want, but I really could see something like Wolski/Hags-BR-Mitchell even being moderately successful, especially against weaker competition.
If Torts can run the matchups, it could be fantastic.
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Totally on board with that. That way Feds-BB-Pruster line can ideally always take the opponents first line, and the pack line can take slightly worse competition; allowing them to still get some offensive production in but also utilizing their defense prowess.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sather pushes hard for Ryan Smith
Just read the news.
Wondering what the package would be?
by 68 Forever on Feb 4, 2012 8:25 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Smyth strikes me as high-risk/low-reward.
Sure he has 16 goals and 18 assists on the season, but in the past 30 days he only has one goal and one assist. He’s playing on Edmonton’s top line, yet he’s become as invisible as Christensen. Plus, he’s no spring chicken.
That said, I could totally see Sather springing for him. We moved on Wolski because he was floundering last season. Sather seems to love fixer-uppers because he can get them cheap, but they rarely pan out.
I. Don’t. Want. Him.
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 4, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not gonna happen
but if it did, the oilers have little leverage so maybe a low level prospect going back the other way
nowhere near the price the islanders paid five years ago
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I see a Brad Boyes type of player being brought in, a low risk/medium reward kind of guy, and maybe it will send a message to other guys on the team that their roster spot isnt safe so they better improve their play.
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by TheOneAndOnlyGlenSather on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 AM EST via Android app reply actions
As long as we aren’t giving up more than (MZA/Wolski/low prospect) I’m fine with it.
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The last time we were in similar position
They brought in Noonan, Matteau, McTavish and Anderson. Not a sniper in the bunch. Got rid of Gartner too. And it’s not like that team had an elite scorer outside of 11, 2 and a career year from 9.
Different coach but similar mindset.
I’m not expecting them to trade for a scorer.
by It may HAVE to Last a Lifetime on Feb 4, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions
Interesting point. Who are you expecting
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by Papa T on Feb 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We also had a powerplay with Zubov and Leetch in those days too.
I think if we make a move it should be with the powerplay in mind. We can’t be in the bottom third in the league and get deep in the playoffs. Powerplays are crucial.
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Although I generally agree with you, how did not having a powerplay last year in the playoffs work for the Bruins?
as do we
in fact lundqvist is better than thomas
I rather not rely on only letting up 1 goal a game throughout the entire playoffs.
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no i agree
we definitely need to add someone, not necessarily sell the farm for a star but we need to do something about our regressive offense and pathetic powerplay.
Only benefit i see for the power play could be an explosive shot (defenseman) but PP mostly needs a new coach, keep sully for D and hire someone new. LEEEEEEEEEETCH!
thank you, I’ve been saying Leetch for PP coach for over a year now. get 3 guys behind the bench already.
I agree with this. it can’t hurt, and it could do wonders for MDZ.
Let Sully keep on with his PK/Defense, and let someone else run the PP.
A guy like Smyth/Prospal/Boyes could be had without giving up too much, especially not any roster players. That would be nice.
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I would want prospal, either slot him next to Gabby or next to Brich, it would work
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I take Hank over Thomas any day.
But Tim Thomas was superhuman last year. Boston also had better offense and defense than us last year (albeit by a very narrow margin), they scored .25 more GPG.
And in the playoffs: Boston scored 3.24 GPG against our 1.6 GPG and allowed 2.12 GPG against our 2.60 GPG.
Their powerplay still sucked in the playoffs but they still had more offense. Other playoff teams had great powerplays (NYR and PIT were terrible) and I think it says something about how important a good powerplay is, especially in the powerplay.
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Boston won with their 5/5 scoring, and their 5/5 scoring is by far the best in the league this year. With offensive depth like that, your PP can become invalid and you’re still going to win games handily. We barely squeak by in most games, so scoring some goals on the PP becomes much more significant.
Also, Vancouver went to game 7 in the Finals with, IIRC, the lowest, or one of the lowest 5/5 scoring rations (it was under 1, which means they gave up more 5/5 goals than got), but their PP was over 20%.
Boston and Vancouver were 1-2 in 5v5 scoring ratios during the regular season. They got where they were by being strong at 5v5, they survived on the back of the PP.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget Digger… we brought in Richie for the PP as well.
It seems to be that it’s the system and not the players.
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well i can name a shit ton of things wrong with our power play but ill stick to the most important ones
1. We do not shoot enough.
2. We do not shoot at the right time.
3. We do not have enough movement in order to create shots that will not be blocked.
by rain-g-errs on Feb 4, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I think your Number 3 should be Number 1 – which aligns with Moshe’s point that it’s the system and not the players.
The lack of movement – the static positioning – leads to no open shot opportunities – which leads to fewer shots. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I’m in the camp that says the tactics need to change – the players we have can execute. Having a reliable point man that is willing to shoot and will get the shot on net wouldn’t hurt.
And I can’t understand the lack of willingness to put a Rupp or Boyle out on the PP to clog the middle and screen the keeper. Or even Anisimov.. But that would mean changing the tactics…….round and round we go.
I actually believe our problem is our zone entry, most of the time we have guys just standing at the blueline when someone carrys the puck over, or dumps it in, this does not give the puck carrier support, as well as it allows the defense to clear our dump-ins. Therefore we rarely establish possesion in the offensive zone enough to get our system going and create shots, and the few times we do they just don’t seem to going in lately.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
been saying this for a long time, the dump is a lazy-ass play which rarely results in a scoring chance. if possession is kept, it just flows into the perimeter passing which also rarely produces any kind of opportunity since it allows the other team to set up and block the lanes. best chances come from carrying the puck in and attacking the net right away.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
Zone entry is a completely different issue from what happens once the zone is gained. Our sub-thread here is dealing with what happens once they gain the zone and set up.
I won’t disagree that the entry can be a problem – but it largely depends on the strategy of the opposing team. There are some nights where they enter the o-zone very easily. Against aggressive and quick teams they have more problems.
For sure. It would be better if we came up the ice together, with 3 or 4 guys moving up at the same time.
When it’s one guy its easy to defend.
The guys we have now surrounding BR (Gabby, Cally, MDZ, whoever) are just as good as whoever Dallas had surrounding him. Put a man in front, let AA sit in-front of the net, let Cally work the boards, let Gabby play the half boards on the right-hand side and take the shot if its open, let MDZ play the right-center point, and let Richie play the left-side point and have the ability to walk down for the shot if its open.
Spread it out, keep the movement with the skill up-top, and win the battles with the grit down-low.
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Yea I agree, but there are a lot of times when they gain the zone they have some good movement and good things happening the puck just doesn’t enter the net, its the powerplays where they can’t even get possession that are the problem…either way we can agree it has to be fixed fast.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Number 3 is number 1 problem
totally agree with you on this.
I think I seem to be the only person who is listening to what John Tortorella keep saying and that is if you make any move. You need to bring in someone who could play top 4 min. on defense.
What good is getting Hank all this rest if Girardi and McDonagh are playing over 26 min. a night? If the theory by using Biron is to keep Hank as fresh as possible for the playoffs then they need to bring in someone to take the pressure off Girardi and McDonagh.
Tortorella saying that Staal is basically a shell of himself, that Sauer being shut down again will be out longer than anyone thinks should be clues as to what Tortorella wants.
And remember scoring wins games. Defense wins championships
by theprospectpark on Feb 5, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well goalies play 60 mins a night, and the game is mentally tiring for them.
Other elite defensemen in the league play 25+ minutes a night on a regular basis.
Plus, if Sauer and Staal can be healthy come playoff time, playing 23 minutes a night might be a cake-walk for McD and Girardi.
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Just to rebut you Dig, I think the system is what’s wrong with our PP. Whether it’s the coaches or the players, who knows.
I think the only player that would possibly ‘cure’ our PP issues is if Glen went out and got a top PP quarterback (like Weber). That in of itself would necessitate a change in PP strategies, because hey, that’s Shea BEARD OF THOR Weber back there.
That’s the only way I see our PP getting fixed at this point is if we were to get a guy like that (not that it would ever happen or that I’m advocating it) where the PP runs THROUGH that player (ie pass this guy the puck for one-timers).
Richards was supposed to be that quarterback, and he still can be. How many pp quarterbacks have we gone through the last few years? too many to count, its got to be the system…
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Richards was also a PP QB in Dallas. He did great there, and can’t do shit here.
It’s not the players.
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I agree, what I was alluding to is that, for people clamoring for a trade to fix the PP, there’s almost no ‘player’ that can be traded for that’s going to fix what’s wrong with our PP, which is actually the system, and lack of shooting.
If a guy like Weber was brought here, the PP instantly becomes centered around him and his shot. Whether it’s setting up his shot, or when teams try to take that shot away, you move the puck down low and outnumber them near the goal.
Kovalev?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Kovalev doesn't count
Because he’s Russian
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by Kevin Power on Feb 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Also a good point
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by Papa T on Feb 4, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Different teams completely with different needs.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Bringing in any player other than abonafide scorer would be counter productive in terms of essential need for this team. We need to score more than 2 goals a game. We need a player capable of consistently adding goals to the boxscore. Ryan Smith might put in few…..more than Boyes might I add, but niether is the essential cog for this Cup run.
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I think we are going to see one of Dubi or AA moved for a legit top six winger. These guys, no matter how much we as fans covet them, have become depth players on this team.
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Because they have had a bad stretch. Guys go from being our most important producers to being depth players because they struggled for 20 games?
Remember that Gabby struggled last year too.
We need to be more patient.
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We usually tend to not miss things until they are gone.
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well really because they are capable of putting up 20 goals and they aren’t doing it so they become expendable based on that performance….especially if the team is in a situation like this one is in…they need scoring. In order to acquire it, they will have to give up something. I’m not saying they need to go, I am saying they might be the likely casualties of this scoring drought.
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They might be, but that doesn’t make it the right move.
AA is still going to put up 40 points, and this is the worst drought he has ever gone through.
Trading him for some guy who will put up 50 points and doesn’t play defense is just silly.
Not saying that’s what you are advocating, but many on this site are.
By all intensive purposes, Dubi and AA, especially AA, are top 6 forwards. There are 30 teams, each with 6 top 6 forwards. So look up the 180th best forward last year.
AA and Dubi both easily fit into 2nd line roles.
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I see what you are saying, but I think a perennial 20 goal scorer can definitely help us make the push and doesn’t need to be a bonafide superstar. Can you get one of these contract-expiring vets without giving up a roster player? I think so. Does it make sense for us to keep MZA toiling around in Hartford? I don’t think so. Could even a Smyth, Ruutu, Boyes, whoever, improve how we are playing, over the roster player who would have to give up the spot and sit on the bench, say Mitchell? I think so.
I’d move Boyle to the fourth and sit Rupp.
SO yes, if a guy like Boyes only costs Wolski + MZA, you do it.
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well since Brandon Morrow is now on IR
He’s out of the picture. I’m still driving the Grabovski train, but I wouldn’t mind Boyes or Penner as cheaper options to put the puck in the net
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by Kevin Power on Feb 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
traid for grabovski
and put him on a line with Arty = instant chemistry fucking explosion bitches
+1 haha, sadly that would mean Dubi goes the other way?
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
do not want penner
too many conditioning issues with him
boyes is intriguing, but he’s moved around so frequently you have to wonder what the issue is
if buffalo goes into fire sale mode it’s worth a look
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I doubt Buffalo does though.
Pegula seems like he means business.
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Shea Weber
IIf they can work out a deal before the trade so his contract would not be 7.5mil a year. He would help out the scoring, power play with his hard shot, and defense. I would give them a first or second round draft choice, Wolski, Erickson or MDZ and a player to be named later.
They could get a lot more than that for Weber.
It starts with Girardi and Erixon, and goes from there.
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I think you do that in a heartbeat. We don’t have ANYONE in our system from starters to prospects, that can do what Weber does. In fact, there are few players like him in the league.
Weber
is probably the only guy I would give up Girardi/Staal for
staal.
fuck no on girardi, i’d much rather give up staal.
by VVIZARD on Feb 4, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
me too, both of them should be lifetime Rangers.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with you both, but if somehow someway Weber could be had by Staal or Girardi (only one) being the only current nhler we lose, then i think you might have to take the deal. course I have no idea how much it would actually take, i wouldnt do it if it cost more than Staal/Girardi + 1st + a high end prospect or two
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry but Weber is much better than either of them. Staal and Girardi are great shutdown defensemen. But there are a lot of them out there. Heck, there are several on our team when you consider McD and Sauer, and possible Erixon someday. McD might be the best of all of them, he is the one you never trade.
Weber is a sound defenseman with a 106 mph shot who can put up 15-20 goals and 25-30 assist per season. There are very few of those in the entire league. He owes his defensive numbers to Suter to an extent, but if you paired Weber with whichever top shutdown guy we keep, that line is brutal.
Wanting to give up Staal over Girardi is what made me throw up. I would be very ok with giving up Girardi for Weber.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
girardi over staal?
for weber?
i just have to disagree w/ you on that. if we somehow worked out a deal for weber, you have to consider that, as of now (key word being NOW) our most reliable D-man is w/o a doubt girardi. it’s pretty obvious how much of a factor he has been for us this season w/ staal missing. staal, since returning, has played ‘okay’ at best, making noticable mistakes in our end (EXPECTED.) since we’re talking trades for a deep play-off run/etc. THIS SEASON, i’d much rather keep girardi, knowing that he’s dependable and 99.9% will play it safe/NOT fuck up.
sure, staal was definitely our go to guy before his concussion, but who is to say that he’ll ever perform as well as he did? also, between girardi + staal, who is more prone to injury? obviously the latter.
i highly doubt we’ll acquire weber, but regardless, i would deal staal over girardi. girardi plays smart hockey night-in/out, and is invaluable to the rangers at the moment.
by VVIZARD on Feb 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right now for sure. But that’s pretty short-sighted. Before the injury, and once he’s 100%, Staal was and will be better than Girardi.
Regardless of which one it is I suppose…
The deal is probably Staal/Girardi, Erixon, and a top top prospect. (or replace the top prospect with a pick and decent prospect).
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I like Girardi, he is a good dman but lets not get carried away. He is solid in his own zone but there are many other D that are like that and playing next to Staal, McD or Weber for that matter would do just fine.
This is a good read if you want to get a better understanding of Girardi’s value.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/2/1/2760387/shut-down-defensemen-part-2
Only thing with Weber is that he is LD so that would slot Staa as 2nd line LD then you have to find a place for MDZ.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
Shea Weber’s a RD, unless he and Suter are both playing the off-side.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 5, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Ah I got them reversed. Thanks for the correction…again ;)
I knew that at some point since I didn’t think Suter was the best fit. I would still prefer Staal-Girardi then Suter-Girardi. Obviously Staal-Weber would be ideal but that is just a pipe dream.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
HAHA
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I would have no problem trading a boat-load for Weber.
I was just responding that Wolski, Erixon, MDZ, and a pick wont cut it.
We are more likely to see Girardi, Erixon, a strong prospect, and a pick.
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Weber and Suter are free agents at the end of the season. Both are worth top draft picks and a 3rd or 4th line player at most. What you are getting is a 20-30 game rental and the first chance to sign them. Remember Brad Richards and Dallas? Dallas wanted the moon – Rangers waited and got him for free. Nashville cannot afford both. Teams are not stupid anymore – they do not trade core type players for guys that can walk at the end of the year from a team that cannot afford them. Top players DO NOT sign contracts anymore in their last year because they want to see the $$. Forget about trades involving Staal & Girardi – simply not gonna happen -
Weber is not getting traded this season folks. Nashville is in the hunt for the top-spot in the Western Conference. Jesus fucking Christ in a pair of bunny-slippers, let’s at least be somewhat realistic.
During the off-season, I could see it because he’s an RFA who is going to want mega-bucks, so Nash could trade his rights.
I know, I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell, either. I was just saying that if Staal or Girardi were required as part of that theoretical deal, you do it.
I sir am offended that JC would be wearing bunny slippers….I imagine him as a open toe sandal type of guy.
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As hard as that would be, yes, with the one caveat being you can’t give up much more than 1 of those 2 guys (remember, it would be for rights, not an actual player under contract, but with an understanding that he would be signing long-term). But he’s an upgrade over most of our guys.
Doubt any of it happens though.
you’re right, any trade like this absolutely doesn’t happen but i caved in to replying to it once i saw girardi/staal come up. might have ranted a bit. all purely hypothetical.
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Prelude to another trade yes… to Bigger trade? no… I really don’t see the rangers making a roster altering move… I think one main acquisition might be Kreider down the road in March.
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I was wondering about that. When is his season over?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I believe the playoffs (frozen four) are in march… so mid to late march depending on when they are knocked out… that could be an addition without subtraction…
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Kreider's intention is to graduate college before he turns pro
He’s stated this on several occasions. Kreider will not be making the jump from the NCAA until he has obtained his degree. He took extra courses over the summer so he would graduate a year early, so here’s to hoping he cracks the roster next season.
IF Kreider goes pro this year
I want him in the A, no sense throwing a shit ton of pressure on a kid fresh out of college and putting him on a team starved for offense in the middle of a playoff race
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Not for anything but this kid has thrived on the big stage thus far in his career… He’s played consistently in the playoffs in college including the Bean Pot tourney, also he’s played in the IIHF tournament, and the World Juniors… i’m not worried about outside pressures… it’s easy to set him up to win in playoff hockey… you ease him in only in offensive situations, and possible on the powerplay…
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to follow that up… we have plenty of defensive work horses (at the moment) who can allow torts to set Kreider up for success… just because he’s going to be on the team doesn’t mean he’s going to be an every-situation player… He’ll be sort of like what Jagr is for philly… PP/Offensive zone player… Philly did it with JVR and Giroux…
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For sure put him in Hartford IF he goes pro after his season ends. I don’t know why on earth you’d do otherwise. If he played April and playoffs in Hartford he just might get enough of a feel to crack the lineup in the big club next year.
This is all a big IF, and not likely. The whole fan-created controversy in the off-season was created because he refused to go pro because he wants to finish his degree. He took summer classes so he can graduate early. I don’t see him leaving before his semester is over.
Great learning and development experiance for him. I say you gotta give it a shot. Sure didn’t hurt Amonte.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
We all keep over-hyping this kid.
He’s gonna only put up 30 points rookie year and people will call him a bust.
Slow down dude. He’s never played a pro game in his life.
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I not crazy thinking he will score 50 goals. To me just his speed and size will change the dynamics of the team. Just look what Haggs did for the team as a whole with just speed.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
he is going to be nasty
can’t wait to see what that kid will do, I don’t think the #s will be there rookie season but I just got a good feeling about him with the few highlights ive seen of him.
50 goals?
In the last 3 years only four different players have put up 50 goals. (Ovechkin, Crosby, Stamkos, and Perry).
If you think Kreider is going to come in, and do that in his first season, then yes, when it comes to hockey you are crazy.
Just to add to that, there have only been 4 players to EVER score 50 goals in their rookie year. Ovechkin, Selanne, Bossy, and Nieuwendyk. That means ONE time in the last TWENTY YEARS.
Come on man…
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You read my post wrong. I said I dont expect him to come in and score 50 goals. I would be pleasantly shocked if he could score 20.
My point is just adding his speed and size would help the overall team dynamics, similar to what Haggs did minus the size.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree he will help. Fair enough.
I’m just so fed up of everyone thinking this kid is going to come out of college and be the best player the NHL has ever seen.
We are hyping him up so much that he is doomed to fail.
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Oh I have seen my share of rookie/1st rnd draft pick busts.
I don’t have ANY illusions. But it is a fact that the kid has speed and size so that Is what I am counting on.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not gonna work
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If not Kreider joining in march, I’d like to see Brad Boyes… Boyes fits the mold of this team, a hard working player… In the offseason however one player that will be made expendable… Brandon Dubinsky… and he is one of my favorite players… here’s why… J.T. Miller… he’s going to join the rangers probably after this season (AHL) and he’s going to replace dubinsky as he has the similar style at a much lower pay-rate… Honestly when we break down the organization there is a lot of players who are going to become interchangable… up until this year callahan and dubinsky were on the same level, Callahan becoming captain has made himself a staple for the Rangers and will probably live out his career on broadway… the same can’t be said for dubinsky unless he lights the world on fire down the stretch into the playoffs…
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AA
According to tweets from Pat Leonard, Artem Anisimov is skating with Brad Richards and Ryan Callahan while Brandon Dubinsky is skating with Mike Rupp and John Mitchell.
Michael Sauer is not on the ice.
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one thing that irks me about AA, is his wrist shot sometimes is just so slow that he gets destroyed or has the puck taken away from him easily… if he could work on a quicker release then he would gain a lot more from his shooting abilities which is very good… to me it’s like watching the idiot in NHL 12 who’s a sniper and keeps trying to step through the middle on the defense to take a shot and keeps getting leveled… it’s aggravating…
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terrible release. been saying it for a long time now. his decision-making is slow as well which puts a real damper on his potential and why he will be nothing more than a true 3rd liner.
So now guys who put up 45 points as 22 year olds are 3rd liners?
I see scoring in the NHL has shot up recently.
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can’t go by prior years. I mean honestly, could anyone envision Dubi with 5 goals right now? even the worst Dubi hater (who I know BTW)? no. but the fact is his release on shots is incredibly slow which will affect his goal scoring.
His release is slow but the shot itself is a bullet dude.
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it is.
And of course you can go by prior years. If you don’t have prior years as reference, statistics are meaningless. If that’s the case, we should have traded Gaborik last year because he only had like 20 goals.
Seriously dude, we know you don’t think that way.
I was mostly referring to Anisimov, not Dubinsky. Regardless, neither are 3rd line guys. Even if their worst seasons they are producing up to par with the average 2nd line players.
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Moshe, I agree with you on just about everything, but this season both those guys are 3rd liners. I don’t necessarily think thats a bad thing depthwise as they have potential. The 6 guys ahead of them deserve to be there.
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Fair enough. I just don’t see how anyone but BR/Cally/Step/Gabby and maybe Hagelin deserve to be above them.
The point is that there are 180 top 6 forwards in the league.
I believe that Anisimov and Dubinsky both are top 180 forwards in the league.
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On a weaker team they may be 1st liners but on this team they are on the 3rd line. I kinda liked AA with gabby and Step. He was productive.
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Like he has been all season. He played his first 35 games of the season with Gabby and Step and played fantastic.
He had 3 scoreless games with those two so Torts took him off the line and played him with a random assortment of players for the next 15 games. Those 15 games, all three of Gabby, Step, and AA struggle.
Finally Torts puts em back together and now they all do well again.
Shocker.
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how do I think? my thinking is I want as many home grown players on the team as possible. I went through years and years of garbage that came through our team. outsiders that could care less about the franchise.
my personal issue with Gaby last year was his injury history, which was the norm through last year. you can’t score if you’re not on the ice, last time I saw. this year and the year before he has been relatively injury-free and he’s lighting it up. great, hopefully he stays healthy.
as for Dubi. I keep saying it and you’re not acknowledging it but Dubi is my 2nd favorite current Ranger after the King. So WHY would I want him traded? I wouldn’t except for if it will help the team win a Cup. no one is saying to give either away but if trading them means signing Parise or getting Ryan or Suter or whatever elite player, then I’m sorry and I’m all for it. I don’t know what Dubi’s problem is. but did you know he has like 10 goals in calendar year 2011? that’s Jan 1 to Dec 31. that’s a problem.
as for AA, I go to a lot of games. I see the whole ice and I see what players are doing away from the puck. AA is a very sensitive-oriented player. he has tanked since his “incidence” in the TB game. coincidence? maybe. but you have to be tougher mentally than that or you will never make it in this league (see Wolski as well). he’s got great talent, better than Dubi’s, but that’s not nearly enough. his release is slow. his decision-making is slow. he has a rocket of a wrist shot but it does no good if it hits the opposing player in front of him.
overall, my preference is for these 2 guys to start scoring like they should and then THEY DON’T HAVE TO TRADE FOR ANYONE. THAT’s my thinking. BUT, THEY are making a trade necessary by THEIR play and production. when you have a chance to win the Cup then you go for it because you never know if you will ever have another chance. I’m not saying to do a young player purge like 1994 but if Ryan is available and it costs Dubi and AA then I do that deal every time. we have a real chance this year, no question.
Dubi AND AA? Not only do we lose depth with that trade I would venture to say we lose scoring when all is said and done.
On the low side Dubi is 15g 25a = 40p; AA is 15g 25a =40p Total 30g, 60A 80p
On the high side Ryan 35g , 35a , 70p
Now take away depth as I said, plus defensive responsibility, plus face offs I don’t see how you could want to do this deal.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
admittedly it would be tough for this year, meaning depth, but going forward you will have others to replace the depth. it’s Ryan plus whomever you bring in (Miller?) vs. Dubi and AA. so now the stats’ comparison is better. I think Ryan can be more than a 70pt player. he’s only 24.
And I think AA and Dubi could be more than 40p players and they are young as well.
I just don’t think a trade like this would make a significant impact both short term or long term though I get your point about backfilling in players.
Either way, I doubt something like this would even be done from the Rangers side.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I say this as sincerely as I possibly can: it pains me to even think about trading either one of them if not both. my preference is to have them both here as Rangers for life but my goal is to see as many Cups as possible. sometimes, unfortunately, they are 2 different things. we can’t always have what we want the way we want them.
That’s not a fair way to look at it. If we don’t make that trade, we have Miller let’s say as trade bait.
You can’t count him in one side of the deal, and not in the other.
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thats the assumption if both go in the same deal for Ryan or whomever, I don’t think that is a reality though.
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that’s another issue, but that’s what it would take if prospects like Kreider are not part of the deal, which they would not be. 3 untouchable prospects IMO: Kreider, Miller, McIlrath. the others could be traded under the right acquisition.
Exactly. That’s why I am so against these trades.
We all have this grass is greener mantra, and frankly its just going to hurt the team.
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There’s also a big gap between Parise and Ryan.
Parise is better at literally everything. Let’s not put the two on equal pedestals.
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Good. Let AA get his game going with better players. Playing with Prust/Feds/Rupp is not going to help him score.
Now if we could add a guy like Boyes/Prospal for Wolski + MZA or whatever, slot him in for Rupp and..
Hags Step Gabby
AA Richie Cally
Prospal Dubi Mitchell
Feds Boyle Prust
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Pretty solid lineup, tho maybe play with those lines. I don’t see us picking up a winger to put him on the third line.
I’m indifferent to the lines. Torts will change them every 2 games anyway :)
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still say Smyth. I don’t know why fans would not want this guy for the rest of this year. he’s exactly what we need in a lot of ways and everyone knows he’s re-sign with the Oilers after this year. why not? what could it cost?
yeah, I heard that too but that sounds low doesn’t it? my guess would be a 3rd rounder and maybe an AHLer like you said. Wolski? at least a 3rd rounder has value.
well if you think about it
theres no way smyth resigns with us even if we win a cup, hes going back to edmonton so honestly don’t think that is low for a guy who plays for us for a couple of months to a team who has no hope of reaching the playoffs.
I agree 10000000000%. he’s here to try and win a cup and then it’s back to edmonton. no question. that does restrict the value coming back but he can also say no to any trade that doesn’t help his team when he comes back. Smyth can play that game too. BR didn’t want to be traded here last year since the rangers would have to give up assets and he didn’t want them to do that. :).
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everytime I hear his name it reminds me of my favorite NHLer Sergei Federov :(
Fucking Malkin scores AGAIN
God, starting to hate Gina almost as much as Cindy, because he is too good.
should be happy
the more the bruins lose the better, i hate the devils but want them to beat the shit out of the flyers haha
Yeah, today is filled with all sorts of conflicted feelings.
Gotta love it though. You root for Thomas to give up 6 goals, but none of them to come from Gina, etc etc
I have a love hate relationship with Malkin
<3 him for being one of the best russian players
h8 him for scoring on the Rangers and pretty much mastering Lundqvist.
if only
I could watch Federov, Kozlov, Konstantinov, Larianov and Fetisov play again. RIP..
will be another sad day for the NHL and hockey when Selanne retires.
Rangers have an all-time high # of tradeable assets
I put them into 2 groups…
Guys we wouldn’t really miss so much:
MZA, WW, AA, Deveaux, Grant, Kolarik & 4 of the 2012 picks (we have 1st-5th rounders still for this draft I believe).
And guys we could regret losing:
This year’s 1st rd pick, Krieder, Bourque, Erixon, V-tank, McIllrath, JT Miller & Thomas.
We could trade any of these players/picks and not affect anything with the current roster so it’s fair to say we are in an advantageous position with regards to deals right now. It may be worth dipping into the regret list to grab someone special with the way #30 is playing this year. Dare I say he’s been ’94 Mikey Richter-like… The time is now
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Take AA off the won't miss so much list
and put Bickel there
and I’de agree with you for the most part.
Its not that I don't think AA could put it together eventually
I just don’t think it’ll be at the Garden
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
dude
he was having a great start to the season, now hes miniscule bottom six minutes, give him a break hes in a funk, hes young theres always room for improvement, get someone to help him with his release and shot accuracy and all those incredible wristers that hit the boards will be going into the corner of the net
Absolutely
GET RIPPED
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"Let's go eat a &€% %¥#$ snack" - Rex
by Papa T on Feb 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have the least “good feelings” about Thomas.. to me, he feels like the most likely to disappoint and not be able to succeed at the big club level. Hopefully, he proves me wrong…
So just think
What a package of Thomas, MZA/WW & a 2nd rd pick could get. That’s where risk vs reward comes in b/c we’re not dealing anyone currently playing any minutes
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
So just think what a package of Thomas, MZA/WW & a 2nd rd pick could get. That’s where risk vs reward comes in b/c we’re not dealing anyone currently playing any minutes.
Gets you a rental, like a Whitney, maybe Selanne if he’s willing.
I really can’t respect this opinion with AA on that list.
You would regret losing Valentenko, Bourque, Thomas, and Miller more so than AA? You would miss guys who have never done anything in the NHL over a 23 year old who can play a two-way game and put up 45+ points in his worst years.
This is fucking absurd. I give up.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Seriously, I can’t get over this. Dude is 6th in our team in points, our second or third best two-way forward, and you wouldn’t mind losing him.
I really can not even comprehend how some of you value hockey players.
And enough of this time is now bullshit. Really no one on our team is going to play worse next year than they are this year.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
+100000000, Typical New York sports, what have you done for me in the last week, nothing? ok I want you gone, never mind what they did the previous four months….
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
in case you are wondering
google can’t even figure that shit out that number is astronomical bigger then JLO’s a$$. larger than the number of atoms on earth.
Completely agree. If, more so when, Dubi and AA score to their ability, we don’t need to make a move. Why mess up the chemistry? BTW, I do not mind giving up a Vtank or Bourque. I like Bourque for the name, but he is not lighting anything up right now. Think about Dubi,AA, and Boyle bringing up their numbers the latter half of this season, and we do not need any parts. Add this to the improving Staal, and return of Sauer, we will be looking good.
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
by nathansfamous on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Devils 3 Flyers 0, Bruins 0 Penguins 1
End of the FIrst.
Hooray, if only both teams could lose lol..
man this means the flyers are gonna be extra cranky
come tomorrow, expect a lot of power plays or blown calls and maybe a slight injury.
wish the flyers would just go away hopefully we can light up Bryz tomorrow
not that the Flyers will not make the playoffs but I don’t believe they can keep up with us, the Bees, etc. game is on NBC tomorrow? expect a Flyer-favored called game. another game where the rangers will have to beat the opponents and the refs.
god im so sick of that
is it just me or seriously have there been a lot of those vs really important rivals Boston Phily
what the hell, it almost seems like the refs want us to lose in those games
it’s league bias. they have it in for the Rangers. the WC was a complete disgrace and go read what other teams’ fans said about it, forget about Ranger fans. it was outright cheating: the call on Cally that negated an automatic goal with the net empty and the McD’s penalty that resulted in a penalty shot. both intended to push the game into OT. disgraceful and that’s Bettman for you. as crooked Commish as they come. I hope Fehr kicks his ass.
got any good links, yeah the call on Cally was absolutely absurd, excuse me sir I moved his stick so he wouldn’t take my head off on my breakway fucking Timmonen is a disgrace for that. at least hook his chest/abdomen
and MaCTrucks penalty shot call was inconclusive, sure he might of closed his hand on the puck but no replay angle showed any evidence of it, it was pure speculation.
If we win tomorrow
we will have a 5 point lead with 2 games in hand.
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 4, 2012 2:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing about this bullshit
The league doesn’t “have it in” for the Rangers for the simple fact that it makes ZERO sense for the NHL to do anything that would prevent one of their biggest marekts to succeed. Was the call against callahan egrigous? Yes, but to say that the league somehow told the refs to make that call is downright idiotic. The McD call was the right call, he covered the puck in the crease which is a penalty shot. If the league had it in for the Rangers, why are they in first place then? Why is the team so good? Surely the league would find some way to prevent that from happening.
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
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A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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by Kevin Power on Feb 4, 2012 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sorry but if you don't think the league and the refs
were trying to get that game into overtime you are blind.
Of course they were trying to get it into overtime, that’s not a secret, refs give home teams opportunities late in games all the time. Its called entertainment, if the Rangers were down one they would have gotten the calls that the flyers did
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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by Kevin Power on Feb 4, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You say that the refs give home teams opportunities, but then you changed it to they give the losing team opportunities.
I’m confused here.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well they do both, if a team is losing the refs will most likely start giving that team some of the calls in a way for them to get back into a game and home teams get calls late in the game to get the crowd into the game
"Don't look now, but there's one too many people in this room and I think it's you." Groucho Marx
In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
Follow me @8kpower
Kevin, I respectfully say that you do not know what you’re talking about. let’s leave it at that. I’m 52 years old. a CPA. I don’t have to prove my self-importance to anyone. I share what I know. and while I understand that people say things out of turn to sound “important” I do not have that issue. I volunteer my time to help save lives through a non-profit organization, now THAT’s important. so if my “information” that I try to share is not welcomed here then I will just stop posting here.
and the # of non calls during the boston game
doubt the league had anything to do with that but they do hire the refs
and that game was one of the worst reffed games ive seen in a while and that includes the winter classic.
I still don’t think the penalty shot call was right…I don’t think mcd ever covered it honestly
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 4, 2012 3:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Um…..
I’m tired of this senseless defending. Maybe they don’t have it in for the Rangers, but the goal of that entire game was to send it to overtime and from there the shootout.
If the refs aren’t instructed to make that call, and they made than on their own doing, then they really should be banned from officiating the spot at any level.
And it was impossible to see whether McD covered the puck in the crease. There was no video evidence to show that he intentionally covered it. To a league that loves to use its “no conclusive evidence” rule, the call was made with the intent purpose of getting the game to overtime.
And it seems you also forgot about Gaborik being tackled on a breakaway moments earlier.
No, the league doesn’t have it in for the Rangers. But yes, the league does influence games on a routine basis which has completely tarnished their reputation.
I know you guys are editors/moderators and you need to keep a good relationship with the Rangers/NHL, but let’s not bullshit here dude.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
not to mention
1. cally getting his head severed almost on another breakaway on an empty net
2. macTruck being called for a delay of game penalty for being pushed into the net by some broad street thug
and all of that was just in the last 5 minutes
Exactly.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
that’s right. the media does not make a big deal about this crap because they want access. I sent an email to Larry Brooks on league bias and even sent him specific examples but did not hear back. It’s not BS, it’s real, and while there are not specific “edicts” to make certain calls, there is an overall bias against our team. 3/4s of a physical game against the Bees and they are not shorthanded? How is that possible? The one time they would be Prust gets a BS diving call with the Bees player’s stick in Prust’s skate. Really?
I dont know if anyone saw this yet, but on Rangers.com it said that Eminger is good to go tomorrow afternoon against Philly.
Although we want first place in the east
shouldn’t we be worried about the penguins? I’m kinda torn in this bos/pens game
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 4, 2012 3:24 PM EST via Android app reply actions
somebody get a russian supermodel to date malkin
and then break up with him
what the hell is going on with flyers vs devils
6-0 going into the third now 6-4 with 6 minutes remaining!!
that’s just great now they have some confidence instead of being completly demoralized going into tomorrows game
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 4, 2012 3:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
a defenseman to help the power play
yeah, he’s 35, but i’d keep an eye on the marek zidlicky situation in minnesota
he wants out, he’s an offensive-minded d-man who can move the puck well, and he’s gotts have some gas in the tank with all the games he’s been scratched this year
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
You may have something there, but there’s one thing I’m noticing about the majority of players being rumored. The aged player has always been the target of Glen Sather either at the trade deadline or in the offseason. But Sather 2.0 has gone away from this, and pushed toward getting the prime aged player.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
Originally a Ranger draft pick.
Supposedly he isn’t getting along with the Wild’s coach because he refuses to play in the new system that he is trying to bring to the team.
That doesn’t sound like a guy that would work well with Torts.
@DigDeepNYR
"It's just pain." -Brandon Prust | "In Prust we Trust."
Blueshirt Banter
i know
my initial thought is that this could be ozolinsh part two
but zidlicky is not a problem child, he’s having a legit beef with his coach and he’s getting scratched more out of spite it seems (as per russo of the tribune, anyway)
like i said, keep an eye on the situation, don’t go diving in head first
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
No, because 1 more year at 4m. No thanks.
Players aren’t helping our PP at this point. It’s the system, or the players not buying into a system that’s the problem.
Exactly.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
As I told Moshe the other day...
there is one more move coming, and may happen over the next two or three days. The most wanted names out there are Bobby Ryan, Zach Parise and Rick Nash (if he agrees to drop his NTC). The most available players are Tuomo Ruutu, Wojtek Wolski and Dustin Penner.
But you guys better open up a new category: players likely to face amnesty. Vinny Lecavalier, Scott Gomez, etc. At this point, the new CBA may have more to do with how this trade deadline plays out than anything else. Watch for potential deals between some very strange bedfellows.
So, I know for instance that we’ve bantered (no pun intended) about Zach Parise. I almost have to say no, but there’s this nagging feeling that’s a potential deal to come. Another player to watch for is Alex Ovechkin. I’m not suggesting the Rangers are going to get him, or that he can be had at all…but nothing is set in stone, so not very much keeps a potential trade for him out of the question.
Just put these things in mind as we head into the next twenty-three days, because there is far more out there to consider than the present.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
so were getting
Rocket Richard Wayne Gretzy and Gordie howe?
Stop that.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
heh
just in good fun, all these trade talks are getting me worried though. I really like our lineup but I do agree that we need to make a move, hopefully it won’t be game changing.
Below is a list of players we probably would not miss:
Wolski, Avery, Bickel, Mitchell, Erixon, Zuch, Thomas, Eminger, Woywittka, Fedentenko, and Rupp
as much as i like feds and mitchell, feds is old and mitchell is a solid bottom 6 guy but expendable. The others are well either really young or just crap.
I know it was in fun.
But on this matter, what we will miss or not versus what’s needed is the double-edged sword to be wielded.
We have parts that can help many other teams, both short and long term. But, we have a huge need for an additional scorer. Not too many teams are lining up to help the top team in the Eastern Conference.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
um
they HAD gordie howe
homesickness and hazing from veteran players led to his leaving the team and signing with detroit a year later
@joereiter
"You can be a lion maybe once in your life. If you don't make this deal, you're a
mouse forever….Wouldn't you rather be a lion for one day than a mouse for life?" - Lord General Sather
"Nobody knows anything" - William Goldman
I have a saying, in my mind. Commenting on political blogs is about as fruitful as commenting on religious blogs.
Can’t believe I was a damn Poli Sci major in college >.<
EC is starting for the wild tonight as a third line center
i love how they introduced him as a skill guy whose really good on the shootout hahahaha, they showed three clips, two of which were shootout goals, i can’t wait to “not” see mr. invisible in this game hahahahah
Who knows.
He might actually produce.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
he had 3-4 shifts, didn’t really do anything EXCEPT FOR ONE THING.
with two minutes left in the first period he backchecked and stopped a breakaway shot for the stars.
he actually backchecked hahaha
:)
It’s a process!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Hope he does well. It was a good trade for us, to get rid of him. I like to think it was a good trade for both teams and he helps them out.
What ever the conditions were for the 7th rd pick better not be met otherwise that trade is a loss, albeit a small one
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
5 games in the next 8 days!
11 games before the trade deadline. Philly twice, Jersey (playing well now), Boston, Chicago, Pitt, and Washington (8th spot for playoffs). So we have some tough games between now and the deadline. Important games that will affect the standings and test us. Management may feel, and we may feel, a little more inclined to trade or not trade based on these games.
Sounds fair enough..
If we can tear through them, and AA/Dubi/Richie can pick their games up, I don’t think management will make a move.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Christensen was getting power play time
currently in 2nd period been on 2/3 their power plays
hes winning some draws and set up a scoring chance hahah
CBA Amnesty Poll
If YOU were Darth Sather, would you buy out Redden, or Rupp with your one amnesty contract this summer? Or someone else.
Hope that’s a joke, he’s provided structure throughout the line up. Players are finally playing at or close to where they are supposed to. Yea his play is becoming lackluster but he’s guna come back and he’s a big game player.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 4, 2012 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I don’t leave an explanation to something, and a /ducks, I think it’s pretty safe to say it’s a joke.
Hey, I’m just making sure. Some are quick to jump. Not that I thought u did, but he’s been brutal as of late. But ur right. I was commenting just for the sake of commenting. Forgive me.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dolan can keep paying redden for all I care. Rupp is prob who id dump, seeing how he has the least amount of value vs amout of $ and yrs on his contract. I hope wolski is gone soon tho.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 4, 2012 9:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also need to find mza a Damn home. He’s not guna play our two way grinding style, we need to deal him now.
by nhl_legendz on Feb 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm...
I’d say Redden being that he’s the worst contract we have. Maybe amnesty Gaby’s contract and renegotiate to lower the number
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In Prust We Trust
"Kovalev would work with Tortorella like a kitty would work in a microwave.
A lot of smoke and desperate clawing at the door. It wouldn’t work. It would just be a big, hot mess." -Dig Deep
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nah, I would delete Redden’s contract.
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Gabby is scoring a quarter of our goals.
I doubt he agrees to take less.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Redden without a doubt. As much money the Rangers have they still have to be operating on an internal budget. Plus you give the guy another chance.
As much as you don’t believe it, if Rupp, was on the block right now there would be interest from other teams looking for playoff depth.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 5, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
i feel bad for Erik Christensen
First game in Minnesota he played alright during the game got a decent amount of ice time,
game went to a shootout, he was first to shoot and missed lol…
bet Sather is laughing his ass off right now at fletcher
The old rumor mill
Bunch of good stuff via http://www.snyrangersblog.com/ , please read that blog every day!
1) Whalers won second in a row, 4-1. Goals by Grant (2), Newbury, and Deveaux. Wolski had 4 shots, Wellman had an assist.
2) Via the NY Post, Rangers will not open the season in Europe, deal wasn’t done because of the CBA. We will be on the West Coast during construction.
3) Via the NY Post, Carolina wants a first rounder for Ruutu.
4) Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun saying the Rangers waiting on decisions from Smyth and Selanne, as are the Sharks, Red Wings, and Bruins.
Please go to http://www.snyrangersblog.com/ to go to the articles, give him the clicks!
yes, that is one of my daily Ranger reads. I read this site (obviously), Rotter’s blog, I ost on Newsday’s blog, I read Ranger Rants, the Hockey Rodent, Gleich’s blog, the Rangers’ blog on Yardbarker, TSN, ESPN, Brooks, and Pat Leonard. I get more than my fill of Ranger news, etc. so when I say something that repeats something I read then sometimes I can’t remember exactly where I read it, lol.
Yeah I spend entirely too much time reading most of those, but I am miserable at my job so I don’t mind the loss in productivity!
lol, I’m sorry you feel that way about your job. that’s a tough thing when you don’t enjoy what you do. Unfortunately I work very long hours and I need a break now and then so I am always on these sites when I can throughout the day. it’s my sanctuary, lol.
What this all comes down to
We lost against Washington in the playoffs last season because our PP was terrible and we could not score a timely goal. We were averaging under 2 goals a game for the playoffs…..well here we are a year later with the same issue. We tightened up defensively but we still have a tough time scoring consistently. It needs to be addressed and a marginal player like Prospal, who is a year older, Boyes, who has scored one goal in like 25 games and Ruttuu, who is not really a scorer compared to being an asshole…..are not the answers to increase scoing for a cup run. Where would they fit in anyway? they are not better than our top 6, maybe even our top 9. Standing pat leaves us in this quandry an I think just seals our fate with a playoff exit in the 1st or 2nd rd. Build the team to beat the Bruins and Flyers when it counts, that means we need scoring.
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.
Keep an eye out for Pavelski.
ESPN.com and TSN.com have put Pavelski on the market, with three teams he could go to: Rangers, Red Wings, and Maple Leafs. Same with Ryan Suter…same three teams.
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"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
by Danz10 on Feb 5, 2012 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Suter is more speculative than Pavelski, from quite a few reports. I honestly was surprised by him being listed in the trade market.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
by Danz10 on Feb 6, 2012 12:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pavelski is a guy who I’ve pictured coming to this team at some point. I’ve really watched him the past few seasons.
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.
Yeah, why would they trade him? Decent cap hit for a consistent 20g+ players who has shown he can perform in the playoffs.
I did some digging and seems that his name is included as someone the Sharks would package to get a top level forward forward such as Corey Perry. I don’t see us sending anyone that way that would fit the bill so though he might be available I dont see NYR in on the deal. We are looking to add and not take away.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah TSN and ESPN see a scoring forward ‘on the market’ and then thinks who needs a scoring forward and comes up with DET, NYR and TOR. So there is your rumor with not thought on what SJ wants in return.
Aucune clause de Mouvement
by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
First of all, any deal like this calls for identifying a team’s strengths. For the Sharks, they are eight-deep at center and eleven deep on defense. Then their weakness: they’re five-deep on the wing.
Moving one center for wing depth..sound familiar? And what could be offered? Anything. But I see you wanted to show me up….so, you and “owned” buddy can grab a slice of this:
According to three known sources, the Rangers have twice called the Sharks about Pavelski; offering Dubinsky, Wolski, and MZA plus a first and a third each time for him. The Sharks wanted to add Girardi and offer Vlasic in return. Sather didn’t bite, and now WHO is the top team? Keep in mind the difference between 3rd place and 7th place in the Western Conference. Those noticeable distinctions prompts a team to evaluate and make calls themselves.
Pavelski plus others for Corey Perry is the Ducks doing the same, in terms of their lack of center depth going forward.
Teams know what works and what doesn’t. And while you’re looking to dispel me, if you say you did your research, that should’ve been your answer.
By the way, the only thing owned is your cheerleader.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
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by Danz10 on Feb 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s an incredibly large amount to trade for Pavelski, not so much WW and MZA, but just the Dubi, 1st and 3rd. yeah, I would do that deal.
Maybe last year, yeah, Sharks probably getting better overall value (especially with the emergence of Couture).
Now, that deal sucks for the Sharks. That’s 8m in contracts for 4m, 2 picks that are very late in those rounds, an under-performing Dubi…and Wolski (how is he in that deal at ALL? Dubi/Pav money is even) and…MZA just because we might as well trade him for something.
And I don’t care about who TSN or ESPN (ESPN, really?) put on the market. They’re not GMs.
he’s on my fantasy team and he has these #s currently: 19G, 19A, +14, 11PP pts, and 1 game-winning goal. he will be 28 this year. the one thing that I’m leery about when it comes to players from high scoring teams is how much are their stats a by-product of the team? I do like his game though. still, can’t imagine he’s available.
actually
Sharks only have 145 goals this season to our 141 they let up 15 more goals than us though.
Pavelski would be a great catch, it’s all about the cost of him though wish he was a LW though we need more actual LWs…
The Sharks have 15 forwards currently on their roster. The right trade (getting at least two forwards) would push management to send five of the two-way contracts down, which would shed $3 + million to add another player.
So you’re looking at them adding $7.5 to $8 million, and the fact that Dubi’s $4.2m, Wolski’s $3.8m and MZA’s $1.75m can be placed with accurate accounting and salary cap work. But hey, if he’s on the market and the Sharks can accomodate the returns…then that’s on them.
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hey man
pretty sure he was saying that in reference to the media beat writers who throw this kinda shit up without doing proposing any ideas and reasoning behind the rumor, they do that shit all the time it is annoying.
i myself read the CSN article on pavelski and it said very little about what they would want.
take it easy ha you’ll get an aneurysm if you try to start a fight on the internet too much
Yes, they like to “stir the pot” often. So, you have to be like me…someone who is family to someone who works for the league. Cuts down the BS, and leaves the so-called “insiders” behind.
A couple of years ago, out here, I posted that Ryan Whitney was on the trade block, and knew that the Rangers has called the Ducks about him before he was traded to Edmonton for Visnovsky. I was told “they would NEVER trade Whitney”. But alas, he was sent to the Oilers within moments of posting.
Sometimes I’m given a plug or two. Some I share, and others, I don’t. Like finding out Anthony Stewart was being waived by Carolina. I almost let that one out of the bag. My point is, there is a lot of chatter, and we all want to make a point. Let’s just make those points and not crucify each other in the process.
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"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
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Pfft, Pavelski? I don’t see how they would trade him…would make no sense. They’re just throwing out bullshit in order to get some traffic. Pavelski? Pffft.
And the only way we’d get him IMO is we’d be giving up Stepan.
I don’t think he is really available but I’d rather have him than Boyes or Prospal.
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.
Well, shit, Pavelski is a proven playoff performer rocking a 60% face-off win% on a 4m cap-hit contract. Almost any team would grab him in a heart-beat. Couture obviously makes him more available, but if Pavelski can play the wing and take face-offs, 19/19/38 in 50 games on an affordable contract, why move him unless they’re getting an overpayment?
Exactly the reason why the price was high. That is the most important thing to look at in terms of what the Sharks are willing to give yp.
"Fart like a man! It's hockey!"
"A lack of faith shown can go a long, long way to failure."
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around for a while...you'll miss it." Ferris Bueller (1985)
I couldn’t see them moving him in a quality for quantity deal, because they have a good deal of quantity (depth). Though if he’s part of a package to get a real top winger (Perry is a great example and the needs of both teams fit, even though I doubt it goes down), it could happen.
Still don’t see it. The Sharks shoot themselves in the foot damn near every post-season in some way or another, but Pavelski is far from being the trigger-man.
Here's an idea...do nothing.
Why screw up the chemistry, I mean these guys are really working hard and AA, Dubi and Boyle should bounce back at some point this year. I’ve never felt so comfy with a roster before.
by louielounz1 on Feb 7, 2012 5:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I can certainly understand that type of thinking where if it aint broke then don’t fix it. Let me preface by saying I love this team too and your comment of “I’ve never felt so comfy with a roster before” certainly applies to me as well. that’s a perfect statement. my question is that with such a horrible PP are you comfortable that this team will score enough in the playoffs to advance? again, they don’t have to actually score PP goals, just threaten and keep the momentum in the game. if AA and Dubi produce like they should then I totally agree, do nothing. but they haven’t so Sather has no choice but to consider changes.
Well that’s why the trade deadline is so late in the season.
Last game was a great game for AA and a good one for Dubi.
If those guys can keep it up, we’re set.
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