Wolski's Value and possible trading partners
by Moose11 on Feb 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST
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So with Erik "Mr. Invisible" Christensen being traded to what we figure is to some clear some cap space, were all wondering whats next?
The most likely scenario is that there is another move on the way at the deadline. The Rangers are suited up perfectly for defense and most reports say that Sather is in the market for 2nd/3rd line winger to add some more depth and grit for the playoff run.
Now with the way most players has bought into Torts' grinding ways and the chemistry this team has made since July it makes you wonder what do we really have for trading assets. Of course we have draft picks which is what most teams resort to when making a run but we may have something else teams are interested in.
This is a player that fans always like to watch when he's on his game, but a player fans often see disappear at times. He was a PPG in 18 games in Phoenix after being traded from the Avalanche. Then after recording 16 points in 36 games he was traded to the Rangers. Most of us expected to see the Polish prince to do well with Gaborik on the Broadway stage but much like Zherdev, Wolski has disappeared in a hard working, tough, gritty hockey system.
Having a sports hernia injury/surgery has sidelined him most of the season and he has not fought his way into a roster spot, having only 3 points in 9 games.
The Rangers decided to send Wolski down to the Whale to give him some ice time and show the league his talents and so far he has a goal in two games.
This guy has flashes of brilliance and potential in the right system. I have a feeling Sather has something in store for us. The three players I realistically see us getting are Ruutu, Penner and Prospal. All three are UFA's at the end of the year and give us the depth were seeking for.
With the potential he has, and the shootout value he has I would say Wolski is worth as much as a third round pick.
My guesses are
Columbus is looking for a young prospect or draft pick
LA is looking for some scoring (any scoring really), so the swap of Penner for Wolski could benefit both teams.
Carolina is looking for draft picks and scoring, Ruutu has potential to be a 50 point player consistently and can play two way hockey so has more value then Wolski. So why not offer Wolski and a 4th for Ruutu? Of course the Leafs and the Sens are in on Ruutu as well but its worth a try.
So what do you guys think, (and go easy on me its my first post on here).
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Word is CAR is looking for a 1st rd pick for Ruutu. Crazyness!
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions
I cant believe that
Even with the lack of skill being offered at the deadline, I see them getting a 2nd rounder or equal to that.
Leafs wont give up another 1st rounder, Burke ant do that again
Ruutu is heading to Toronto…bank on it. The major players in the trade market (Rangers, Boston, Toronto, Detroit and Chicago) are making his value higher than it needs to be. And that favors Toronto, because they are the one team amongst them all who NEEDS to win, and has the most assets at their disposal.
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So what do you guys think, (and go easy on me its my first post on here).
HAZE THE ROOKIE!!!
Wolski is nothing more than a cap casualty at this point. He’s obvious never going to endear himself to Torts or the team, so he’s done here. It’s just a matter of how he leaves. Does he get traded as part of a package (which means there’s a contract coming back) or get dumped on somebody for a 7th-round pick.
He’s not ‘worth’ anything, other than cap-space.
See I think he has 50 point potential on a open skating finesse team like the Oilers, but I forgot Wolski is a UFA not a RFA, so you lose a lot of value there too. But I understand what your saying too.
He is a RFA but doubtful anyone qualifies him so in essence he will be a UFA.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
nhlnumbers.com had him as a UFA, so I was right the first time, how much would it cost to qualify him??
100% of his salary.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
He is worth more than a 7th to a team on the playoff bubble looking for a bit more scoring.
He has done well just after being traded two times so it could be a nice shot in the arm for the team.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think so, they get a bit more scoring and speed we get a bit more size. Salaries are offsetting. Could work.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Look at it this way
Penner is a player that can play Tort’s style of hockey. Im not saying we should jump on this deal if we can right away, I’m saying that if were gonna have a depth player for a playoff run, would you rather Wolski or Penner. Both players deals are up and cap hits are basically the same so it would be giving a 5th rounder up for Penner in the playoffs. Could work out to our advantage, even if he is a 13th or 14th forward when he gets here. A team going through the playoffs with no injuries does not happen.
So if we cant get anyone better like Ruutu, then I think a swap of Wolski and Penner works for us
Ok then how about a big winger who is shooting 5% when 5 of his 7 seasons has been over 10%. Or 4 season of 20+ goals
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s having a down season by his standards…but this isn’t really the year to take a flyer out on somebody who’s having a down year.
Just my opinion /shrug
Buy low, sell high?
And if its a swap of WW and maybe a lowend pick/prospect then it is not a bad deal.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just hoping for something a little more productive, or at least add some speed/defensive/face-off depth instead of a giant slain by a box of Bisquick.
Fair enough but not sure we can get that with a package of WW.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
His worth is not as low as others have stated, since he’s only had a handful of playing time. But if anything, his skill level is mid-level at best. I understand that we fans look at him as a dispensable part. But, his speed, defensive and passing abilities make him valuable. Don’t look at him as a useless player..he’s far from that.
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Slats already offered Wolski and there was no takers
The only way he can offer anything to this team is if we are going to make a move for Shea Weber. Wolski salary goes back, keeps the Preds above the floor, and gets us under the cap. Otherwise, Slats, Wolski, and his agent would be wise to start taking about where he wants to play in the fall and see about loaning him to the KHL so he can get a jump start.
He offered him to who?
Offering him straight up for anyone just won’t cut it.
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Zipay reported it
You can get the summary here from The New York Rangers Blog since I know there’s firewall issues with Newsday, depending on where you’re located.
Dont know when he was offered to all as you say but things change constantly. Injuries, playoffs hunts, etc… Anyone could have had EC on waivers and Slats turned that into an asset.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 7, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
I would do Wolski for Penner.
If Penner utterly fails there’s no problem because whether it’s him or Wolski sitting in the press box I could give a shit.
Still think Brad Boyes is one of our best options. Hopefully the Sabres are out of it sooner than later so they would have no reason not to trade him. I still like Shane Doan and Ryan Smyth even though they might not be available.
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 6, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions
what does Boyes bring that makes him better than whoever’s spot he will take? The guy is 3 goals, 10 assists in 39 games. We need a consistent scorer and all of these options to pick up a guy for a low draft pick are not options that make us better. I can’t see anyone currently in the line up who he could replace for the playoffs…..we are going to need Rupp and his numbers might be better than Boyes. Penner’s numbers are almost as bad. We need to go big and get a real big time scorer, or do nothing……no in between b/s. Ruttuu has 16 goals and 11 assists…..possibly a better scoring option but Carolina is rumored to want a 1st rounder in return…fuck that!
Absolute Worst Ranger Fan!!!!!!....yet incredibly realistic and usually correct.
If it's straight up Wolski for anyone I see no harm in doing that trade.
I’d like to give this Rangers team as good a chance to win the cup while sacrificing as little future as possible. Obviously there comes a point where you have to take a risk but no point giving up first rounders to get a guy that could screw up the team for a few years.
"Anson Carter is a highly skilled, versatile player who we feel will play a very significant role on our team this season. He is a very intelligent player who brings a strong presence and leadership qualities." - Sather
"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 6, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Dustin Penner for WW
If Torts gets Penner to play a mean game along the wall and maybe plants him in front of the net on the PP (how are his hands? Cement blocks or soft mitts?) then it works.
As stated above, if its WW or Penner sitting out I don’t care either.
I will always take the big body over the invisible one.
I like going for ruuttu..
or straight up for wolski is good. like prospal.. symth, penner might be last havent seen him play that much plus his numbers stink like dubinski’s right now we dont need more players who cant score on any given night..
by Stuart Pinnetti on Feb 6, 2012 11:25 PM EST reply actions
Carolina wants a first round pick for Rutuu……WW ain’t getting it done.
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And let’s hope to god we don’t give that up for Ruutu.
CAR is nuts.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
No, Rutherford is being smart. He knows many playoff teams are going to want to add UFA depth at the deadline, so he starts at a high-point. That’s how you negotiate. You start by asking more than what you think you’d get or will accept, because you KNOW teams are going to low-ball any requests you make.
If he starts out by saying “I’ll take a 3rd rounder” teams will wind up offering 5th round picks and a loser prospect. I think he’ll get a 2nd and a middling prospect.
True. But any team that actually gives up a first is nuts.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
we have small gaps? or big??
feds? dubi? eminger? woywitka? wolski? zuccarella?
mitchell. are all roster spots that can be improved or changed imo.. those are expendibles and improvements or trade bait in my opinion. and i dont know why we have two fighters on our team without and speed…. but that ill leave up to torts.. it works for now i dunno in the playoffs though/?? rupp/prust but you gotta love both of them.. they both work hard and kick butt… i like both of them but i think we should only have one enforcer! but then again a line of boyle, rupp, prust may work one day? i dunnno? but feds, prust and boyle are good together.
by Stuart Pinnetti on Feb 6, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions
we all seem to forget that Dustin Penner
plays for the L.A. Kings, they have scored 115 goals this season, the least out of any other nhl team. even Columbus outscores them hahahha god, quick is a godsend to them.
but i digress, point is his numbers may look dismal but i bet a lot of that has to do with the fact he went from playing with the Oilers who have a lot of talent and skill with players shooting the puck all the time, to a team who can never get to shoot the puck.
hes a big body it would be nice setting him up front for some deflections and grunt work.
if we could get him for wolski and a late rounder that would be incredible i think he could help us
but yeah Ruutu is not going to happen
either Smyth, Boyes, Penner, or Prospal will come to the rangers IMO
out of all those i’de probably like to see Smyth the most with prospal/penner a close second.
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