Who Goes Where In The Hypotheticals?
by Brandon C. on Feb 7, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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New York Rangers fans are coming up with some...creative trade ideas almost daily now as we near the Trade Deadline. I cannot fault anyone for thinking ahead to the deadline, as the transactions are always fun to watch and discuss.
Many have discussed the possibility of the Rangers making a trade. I would support a trade for Brad Boyes, among some others, but the question remains:
Who leaves the lineup in the hypothetical scenarios?
First, let's get goaltending and defense out of the way. The Rangers are not trading for a goaltender, and have too much defensive depth to bother trading for a defenseman by the deadline.
The only question on defense is Steve Eminger vs. Stu Bickel, to which I prefer Bickel for his physical play.
Say the Rangers add to the roster without subtracting from the NHL team, though? For example a player for a minor league player and a pick? The burning question is who would be taken out of the lineup.
The obvious choice for many is Mike Rupp, but John Tortorella is not about to remove him from the lineup. Despite his fantastic play, John Mitchell may be in the most danger of losing his spot in the lineup.
What says you?
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He has, but there’s no way Fedotenko will come out of the lineup unless he gets hurt.
Mitchell, unfortunately, is the one most likely to have his spot taken.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
But Mitchell is the ideal 13th FW. We are no overly concerned with his development. He can slot is at all positions in the case of an injury. Torts trusts him defensively.
Feds, in my opinion was one of our best, if not THE best, forward in the playoffs last year. Guy know how and when to turn it up a notch.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
exactly its no mistake the man has 2 cups…
by CrazyRangerFan on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Feds was one of the best players in the regular season too. That hasn’t been the case this year, and thus he’s a cause for concern.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
yea i mean its hard to hate on Fed ex. but hes been by far our worst player IMO. hes good defensivley obviously considering he always seems to pick up the EN goal. but micthell has been a better player and playoff experience only matters if your talents are up to snuff. feds should take a hike. sorry dude
I rather have Feds and Mitchell in there over Rupp, but we’ll see.
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We need to trade Cam Talbot, locker room cancer.
by teknics on Feb 7, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Talbot
Really and truly a scumbag.
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Can’t we just keep the guys we got? They’ve done well and they have chemistry.
I don’t see “healthy scratch” as being a permanent position for the NYRs, the way it was when EC was here. If the NYRs did obtain Brad Boyes or the like…I see “healthy scratch” as something being rotated among the non-producing players…or (since we’ve got boatloads of games ahead) the “breather” spot for someone in major need of a rest.
Or at least, that’s how I’d like to see it.
The "guys we got"
need another weapon in the arsenal to beef up the scoring that’s more than obvious
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Not if players that haven’t contributed start to.
Give it to the deadline. If AA and Dubi are producing by then, like they did last game, we should be in a great position not to make any moves.
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Well that’s really the key, give it to the deadline. 10 more games til the deadline against tests like NJ, Philly, Pitt, Chicago, and Boston. If we hold tight and win say 7 of 10, play well against those top teams, get more improvement from AA and Dubi, then sure. If not,maybe we need a hired gun.
Sounds good to me.
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That’s more than fair
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What team have you been watching?
It’s “more than obvious” they need to beef up?? You talk about the team as if they’re sitting in 10th place! I wouldn’t manipulate the roster all that much considering they’re currently in position to win THE PRESIDENT’S TROPHY. Sure, it would be nice to have a bit more scoring, but it’s not worth screwing with a core of hard-working players that are getting the job done at a 33-12 pace. They’re meshing so well right now… very minor tweak/addition to the roster, at most. Don’t mess with a good thing.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
When other teams bolster themselves at the trading deadline
It doesn’t make sense to stand pat. We’ll see how the trade market plays out, we shouldn’t mortgage too much of the future for the present.
The good thing about this team is that there are some underachievers (Dubi, AA to name a few) & there are some overachievers. When the ones that aren’t playing well regress to the mean (and the ones that are playing over their heads also regress) we’ll still be in pretty good shape.
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I understand regression but my opinion is it doesn’t really translate ideally to elite players. The guy is all world, who know where his ceiling is.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Did you expect the Rangers to be in 1st place this far into the season?
I surely didn’t. There’s plenty of players on the Rangers that have been playing above expectations & their career stats. Sure some of it is growth, but our D especially is playing leaps & bounds beyond what they’ve normally played in their careers.
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i dont buy that line of thinking
the problem is most teams think they are beefing up for the stretch run and trade for a dud who does nothing but eat up cap space till his rental contract is up. the effect of a deadline deal is minimal and im not afraid of teams below us maiking big moves. anyone that can catch us is ether against the cap or has good chemistry and wont want to screw it up, similar to us. not to metnion nobdy wants to make a move involving big money considering the CBA mess. if we drop in the standings it will be because of players already on teams chasing us. not because of one rental player
Eats up cap space? Is there some kinda penalty that I am unaware of for spending up to the cap? Do you get bonus points for having cap room at the end of the season?
Honestly, is you argument for not getting a rental is that is takes up cap space at the point in the season when cap space is irrelevant?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
They have 3 lines worth of back checkers and grinders…they need another top 6 scorer, a guy who could put up 25-30 goals. That’s our biggest need right now, like i said more than obvious
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No, sir. “Obvious” would be a bubble team that can’t score, looking to add a winger at the deadline. But as the BEST team in the league at 33-12, the Rangers don’t have any “more than obvious” needs. A better powerplay? Sure. Few more goals? Why not. But the low-scoring, grind-em-out games are exactly the ones they’re winning (and winning more often than they have in about 15 years). That’s Rangers hockey. That’s how they win. That’s how they’re successful. There is no need to stray, especially when the coach drives the point home after every game, “we need to play OUR game.” If a situation arises and they can better the team, then sure. If Smyth or Ryan are available for little cost? Absolutely, jump on that. BUT let’s be honest… there is absolutely NOT an “obvious need” for a team with TWELVE losses on the season.
Pierre McGuire needs to go away.
by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
100%
YES.
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Ok fine we're 33-12
but if the opportunity comes up to get Grabovski or any top 6 goal scorer for Dubinksy/Anisimov…the Rangers better jump on it because guys like Grabo don’t grow on trees, Dubinsky can be replaced easily. This team needs more scoring in order to go deeper than the second round of the play offs
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"Guys like Grabo don't grow on trees?"
Before this season Grabovski’s career high in points was 4 higher than Dubinsky. Dubinsky is 2+ years younger is signed for a few years and his value hasn’t been this low probably since Jagr was a Ranger. Grabovski is 28 and going to be making more than Dubinsky come July 1st; he’s also having a career year (in a contract year). I’m not really in favor of buying high and selling low but to each his own.
by KingHenrik on Feb 7, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And is a Cancer for his team
They were saying on Hockeycentral today that they think Grabo will get beween 4.5-5 per year …. INSANE
If he finishes with 65+ points I have no doubt he’ll get 5 million per. Not sure about the whole cancer part though…
by KingHenrik on Feb 7, 2012 6:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Guys like Grabo don't grow on trees?"
Before this season Grabovski’s career high in points was 4 higher than Dubinsky. Dubinsky is 2+ years younger is signed for a few years and his value hasn’t been this low probably since Jagr was a Ranger. Grabovski is 28 and going to be making more than Dubinsky come July 1st; he’s also having a career year (in a contract year). I’m not really in favor of buying high and selling low but to each his own.
by KingHenrik on Feb 7, 2012 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Rangers have averaged 2 goals for….for about the last 30 games. Any trade or acquisition needs to be for a proven goals scorer. Stop talking about Brad Boyes……..he of 3 goals in 39 games this season, stop talking about Penner….4 goals……there is likely nobody in our current line up who scored less than these guys, they are not the answer and I’d rather see Mitchell than them. Go big on a trade or do nothing but bringing in another third liner, one who is not as productive as our current 3rd liners is not the answer and a waste.
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the problem with our situation is we can’t just add a scorer… they have to have some 2-way ability… our team works as a full unit for the most part… the way our offense is spread so widely is to our advantage, once guys like dubi get going our team looks scary… because we can defend and score… to go get a bona fide scorer means we move two big parts of our team, which messes with not only chemistry but the structure…
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY.
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I completely disagree about Bickel over Eminger. When Staal and Sauer were out, Eminger was easily our 4th best dman, and played good hockey against good competition.
Bickel has never been off the third pair, doesn’t play in the third period, and takes way too many stupid penalties. Toughness is good, but not at the extent at making your team worse.
Also, it unfortunately seems that making a move will knock Mitchell out of the lineup, even though he deserves to stay in over Rupp and Feds.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sure he was our 4th best defender with Staal and Sauer out, but he is a defensive defender and Staal’s return means that we could use the “other skills” that Bickel can provide. I have no problem rotating Bickel and Eminger but Bickel sure as hell needs to be there against goon squads like Boston and Philly.
I still rather have emi in and have Rupp n prust take care of goons…have we learned nothing from the flyers more goons does not equal a better team
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 7, 2012 10:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I honestly think that if Bickel was not in the game the other day, things may well have turned out different. We are known (by other teams and other fans) as a team that is tough enough to handle those goon squads when they get dirty.
And don’t expect Rupp to be taking care of anything for a few games, I don’t think he will be stepping into any fights with his broken thumb.
Rupp
needs some time off, i suggest Torts give him time to heal. guy has been invisible the last couple of weeks and now hes hurting. He doesn’t contribute.
Why do you guys say Mitchell is most in danger as opposed to Rupp of losing his spot in the lineup?
Bickel won't be around.
With Prust and Rupp, I don’t think the team needs Bickel for toughness. He’s been fine, but I’m sure he’ll be sent down once Sauer and Eminger are healthy. Those guys have been trusted with big minutes and never disappoint. As much as I like Bickel, he is noticable sometimes, whereas Sauer and Em tend to just blend in. And unlike offense, that’s a good thing on D.
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by MartyEqualsPansy on Feb 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
Would Bickel clear waivers? probably not
2-way deal means squat with waivers.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, it does for the people that play NHL 12 and assume that’s how real life works… I guess :P
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Thank you.
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Well, you are proven wrong on this; Eminger was healthy last game and is healthy again this game – and is a healthy scratch tonight, Bickel is playing. After Sunday’s game, Torts said in the presser that he gives Bickel “high marks” for his game on Sunday.
Healthy scratch doesn’t mean a player is 100%.
Bickel is playing okay, but if Torts liked him that much he’d play him in the third, no?
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I think you need to have a player like Bickel for games where the thugs are running around… The added tenacity he brings helps as he will not take shit from anybody… the few penalties he did take in the game on sunday were borderline calls… the interference penalty was a joke… but fact of the matter is that he doesn’t generally play in the 3rd period when the game is tight… but his physical nature is needed in games like the philly games from the defense perspective… it’s one thing to have forwards who bang bodies, but having a rugged dman who’s not going to take shit from players in the corners in his own zone with hartnell, sestito, rinaldo running around…
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Fair enough. Until Sauer comes back (physical presence) I’m fine with keeping Bickel around for games against goons.
But most of the time I rather have Eminger in there.
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Sauer was our physical force, still not quite as physical as bickel but he was really our go to guy to be physical, but his status is in limbo now with his concussion and no news on him now… so who knows where he’s going to be… I think if the game requires a physical element bickel’s in… if we just need somebody to chew up some minutes it’s eminger… also who knows where emingers game will be when he returns… he was playing good hockey when he got hurt, same situation happened last season he was starting to play well and returned so-so again…
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Carp summed it up nicely on Sunday
And he dressed Stu Bickel, even though Steve Eminger was healthy and cleared. That worked out, too. Kid’s got some onions. Keep him here. He doesn’t have to play every night, he doesn’t have to play in third periods. But he’s an asset. No doubt about it.
+1
Toughness is difficult to calculate but always seems needed
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Certain teams.
When we play skilled teams who aren’t physical I rather play Eminger.
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imagine
Fast forward a couple of seasons … matinee agaist Philly … Sauer, Bickel and McIlrath dress.
Not saying that group of three are the perfect fit every night, hell, not sure we should even keep all three that long, but nice for our future goaltending (and management) to have that option.
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by bleed'n blue on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
What’s the price though?
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and that’s just for Weber
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how about Dubinsky ,M Z, Bourque, Eminger and Woywitka for starters
Nashville is small market city and they both got big salaries
You’ll get Fisher for sure. What else are you giving to get Weber?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
For Weber? Come on man.
To get Fisher and Weber?
We’re looking at Girardi, Dubi, AA, and Erixon. Maybe more.
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something tells me
Mike Fischer will not be moving lol…
Boyes
Would love to see him in NYR Blue. Hate to see Mitchell go or sit but you would have to play Boyes over Mitchell. Same size, better Skill set.
Also, Not to HI-Jack the thread here but does anyone know of a link where I could watch the game tonight? I have to dog sit for my friend and she only has TWC those bastards. I haven’t missed a game this year and I don’t want to start now.
Thanks for any help you could provide.
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by Prustyballs94 on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love what Bickel brings to the table
We have so much talent on the blue line that we can make room for another guy that holds opposing players accountable. Eminger is a serviceable player, but he doesn’t bring what Bickel brings. Besides’ Bickel is a decent defenseman himself.
If we want to continue our success, we need other players to think twice before making runs on Staal/Arty/Step/Gaby/Hank/etc.
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Did you guys see how Bickel wrecked Sesitito
and he won his fight over Simmonds too, this guy is a beast, definitely sends a message not to f*ck with the rangers, i say keep him in case of injuries/as a spare D.
because i am almost sure if we send him down he will be claimed as i don’t think he is waiver exempt.
Agree completely. I have been more than happy with Eminger’s play before his injury but Bickel has shown he provides the same style and level of play with a much more physical presence. Having him in the lineup takes some of the fighting burden off of a guy like Prust, as Bickel (who plays the least minutes of the D) can battle with AHL tough guys like Sestito and Rinaldo (not like he would fight, except maybe with Hagelin). Plus, Bickel’s angry and violent fighting style is great to watch.
During the Flyer game, I felt as though Bickel was playing like it was his last game, knowing that Eminger would probably be right in once he was ready. All of his penalties came from just being over-aggressive – a possible result of trying too hard.
Our 3rd. Best PK is more than enough to handle his occasional penalties. Love the JAM he brings
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brad Boyes has not been awesome for my fantasy team. Who the hell was he playing with in ‘07-’08, the 43 goal year?
that whole team has been pretty bad this year… Buf… and he’s not played well I don’t know if it is the team or if it is him… wouldn’t be bad to find out if wolski goes the otherway, both are in walk years, and both have similar hits, and contracts are a wash… obviously prospects and or picks would be exchanged as well…
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“IF” we can get a scoring forward (25-30 goals/year) without having to give up too much nor gut the present squad I’m all for it. I dont have a problem with a rotating healthy scratch. In fact- I see it as a motivator for Mitchell, Dubi, AA, Feds. If you’re not busting ass and playing hard you get to sit a game or two. Healthy competition.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
A 25-30 goal scorer would probably cost one of Dubi or AA along with major picks and/or prospects.. There’s about 30 guys a year these days that score 30 or more goals in a season so they’re pretty valuable on the trade market.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Then you have to find a 25-30 goal scorer who can and is willing to play Tortorella defense. That’s the truly difficult aspect to find.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like Bickel
Agreed he brings a great physical presence, but he takes horrible penalties. Worse, he has completely blown his defensive assignments and let up some goals, where I think Eminger would have at least been on his man. I think everyone just misses Colton Orr and they saw some of that from Bicks in the Philly game.
who would you rather go to the box and sit for 5 minutes for a fight? Cally? Dubi? Boyle? Bickel taking a guy in a fight is a good take for the Rangers… we really don’t lose that much, if Cally Dubi or boyle go to the box for a fight for 5 minutes against a punk like sestito then it’s a win for the flyers for those 5 minutes…
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Rupp has an injured thumb, and Prust did fight Sestito in the 3rd
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My real point is, there are games with no fights. And you should never keep someone on your roster, especially a defense man, just for fights.
I would much rather keep a guy like Bickel than Rupp.
Under the guise of fighting helping to protect your stars, that role is more likely to be fulfilled by a guy getting 10-15 minutes a night. Not to mention Bickel would log a lot more minutes with said stars than 4th liners ever would.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Aye.
Having both in there….. ehh
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Prust is a valuable penalty killer and a strong defensive player for the Rangers. I would prefer him not to fight because he brings a lot to the team. Bickel , Rupp- not as much.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Woops- didnt see your post Clalicata- wee we’re on the same side on this one.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I like Bickel against some teams
I wouldnt put him up against a really skilled western team, but for the blue collar east he can be a big physical presence. We have some big guys and some fighters, but Bickel is probably the only one who is actually intimidating. If a Bickel haymaker makes a goon like Rinaldo or Sestito think twice about taking a run at Gaborik or Hank, then he will be well worth the occasional dumb penalty.
Sounds fair to me.
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i don’t think any defensemen are going anywhere, the rangers are deep there. who knows when Sauer is coming back, and Staal is still working his way up to his norm. bickel has been pretty good and he has taken pressure off of prust to always be the enforcer/protection.
mitchell is playing good, so is rupp. they haven’t lost since the all star break (in regulation, and the one loss was from a crazy bounce). do they need to change anything? seriously.
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We will not get a proven goal scorer for minor league player and a pick
All what we can get is guys like Boyes and Penner, which can turn either way.
So for these 50/50 guys let’s review both scenarios.
1. Obvious one, if the newcomer doesn’t meet the expectations, then he’s a bust. Sit him out till the end of season and let him go after.
2. Let’s say it worked out and the newcomer started scoring goals consistenly. Then we need to remove someone from the current lineup. Removing guys like Mitchell, Fedotenko or Rupp will not solve the problem since they are role players and you don’t replace role players with goal scorers because it conflicts with the team/game structure.
So my prediction is that either Boyle (more likely) or Dubinsky (less likely) will be replaced. Or maybe even traded.
boyle isn’t scoring very much but he has been a force defensively, which is the rangers game. i wouldn’t touch boyle with a 6’6" pole.
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Agreed. I like when he’s kept in a defensive role, which he is 80% of the time.
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I would expect neither to go anywhere, at least at this deadline. But simply looking at contract/roles, Dubinsky is the one more likely to depart of the two.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I just like to ask people that want to trade player X who they want to get in return. People love the idea of trading someone, but never really think about what they’d want in return.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
we would need to unload someone from top 6 forwards in order to acquire one and my question was who would you rather trade Dubinsky or Boyle for a 50/50 players like Boyes and Penner.
Neither Dubi nor Boyle should move in a deal for Boyes/Penner.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not trading anybody in the top 9 for bubble players like Boyes or Penner. They don’t have NEAR that type of value. Only way somebody like Dubinsky is traded is if we get a significant player in return who already is under contract for a few more years. That’s for this season. In the off-season he becomes a cap-casualty assuming we trade for or sign one of the top UFAs.
boyle, dubinsky, not having the offensive year we would like, but there’s more to this than offensive numbers. i look at the rangers as a unit, not individually. who’s to say one of or both won’t put up 10/10 in the next 25 games?
not sure what boyle’s FO% is but i like him on the ice when the other team has momentum.
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Use the guys we don't need to improve the power play
Wolski, Zook, Valentenko, and Parlett as a package could easily fetch a top offensive talent without impacting the NHL roster. I’d like to see them moved for Stasny or Ryan to improve the power play (And both are young enough they could stick around for a while).
They could then rotate Feds, Mitchell, Rupp, and perhaps Hags or Boyle in and out of the lineup down the stretch for rest, to stay healthy, and for matchups.
None of
Wolski, Zook, Valentenko, and Parletthas enough value to get Stastny or Ryan. You might be able to use them as part of a package, but neither of those players (or anyone like it) is coming without giving up decent NHL talent.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I forgot Parlett even existed.
What is the obsession with Valentenko and people thinking he actually has enough value to return anything more than organizational filler?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I personally hope that he’s seen as a guy that just can’t crack a deep defensive team and still has some value. The old “you can never have enough defense” thing should give him at least some value. I really think he needs to be moved soon though.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
It’s entirely possible, but with the rash of injuries that happened to the D this year he never even got a 1 game audition. If I recall correctly there were some issues with waivers, but I’d also believe that if he was playing well enough to be recalled he could have forced the organization’s hand by calling him up and dealing with the waiver issue afterwards.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t fault him for that because they signed two veterans (Woywitka, Stralman), traded for a stud prospect (Erixon) and seem to have found something in Bickel. That’s where the depth comes in, he’s behind 10 guys already, who with the exception of Bickel and Erixon were all proven NHL-level players. So it’s really hard to kill him for not getting a chance, esp w/ the waiver issue.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, it could be a numbers game on the depth chart and he’s never going to be in the NHL in a Rangers uniform.
But I have a hard time believing that he’s that alluring beyond what the majority of the league probably has in their farm system. Kinda reminds of the situations they had with guys like Dupont and Dane Byers. Potential 4th line guys in the NHL, but nothing that was worth trading for.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
D guys present a different opportunity for teams than 4th liners who are immensely replacable. Some just take forever to develop. Look at a guy like Corey Potter, who bounced around a bunch but was playing ok to decent hockey for the Oilers this year, with his first major shot at playing time coming at 27 y.o.
He might only fetch an ok draft pick (3rd-4th), but that’s not terrible return for two years of developing a 5th round pick that was basically an extra piece in the McDonagh deal.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez, Corey Potter. Remember when he was basically the organization’s depth on D? Scary times.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on Wolski…he would be included for cap reasons. But teams will give up more than you think for a couple of defensive prospects, one of which (Valentenko) is physical and has a big shot from the point and the other (Parlett) who could be a decent puck moving defensemen. Zook also has value, especially for a western conference team. Three young players with potential could easily get a top offensive talent. We could also include a draft pick and/or a piece like Audy-Marchessault. There’s room to maneuver, and I think the inclusion of two young defensemen will get the job done without trading away pieces we want for the future.
Top offensive talent? Did you see the talent that changed hands in the Richards and Carter trades? We’re talking about either lottery draft picks or some of the most highly regarded prospects in the game. None of that applies to any of those 4 players. You can’t throw a bunch of stuff together from the trash heap and expect t get anything different in return.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Slightly off-topic
Since it seems like the Rangers wouldn’t be going after either Suter or Weber what are the chances, realistically, of seeing either of them go to Philly (because I would really hate to see that)?
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I think they’re in a pretty bad situation cap wise (pronged, bryzgalov) idk if they can afford them
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rupp may be too important
For his experience, and leadership, Rupper is quintessential for a playoff run. Arguably a concrete unlikely hero plus has Stanley Cup wins under his belt to help lead a young team. Not to mention a cup winning goal to his pedigree. And we have seen what he becomes under the spotlights of the big stage with other team and our own during the winter classic. Of course the right deal changes things but I just hope they take a close look at his value. And he’s a true character guy. Great for any locker room.
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