Rangers Vs. Devils: Rangers Robbed Of A Point On Home Ice
by Bryan Winters on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 PM EST
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PrintThe New York Rangers were robbed yet again when it came to playing against the New Jersey Devils, this time it happened in their own building. Last time these two teams met, it was David Clarkson who tied the game in the last minute, of a ridiculous bounce off of the stanchion.
This game started off what appeared to look like a very energetic game, as Brandon Prust dropped the gloves with Eric Boulton, and at the same time Mike Rupp took on Cam Janssen. The tone was set, and is seemed as if we were going to have some hockey, but then the type of hockey the Devils play kicked in.
The Devils were able to get on the board just eight minutes into the game after a holding penalty was called against Stu Bickel. The Rangers found themselves down early, and were not able to rebound for the rest of the game, well, at least it appeared so.
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The Rangers were just getting beat in every sort of battle tonight, including loose pucks and open ice. Once again the Rangers power play failed to convert on three different opportunities, which could have ultimately won them this game, hands down.
The Devils fell back into their usual defensive trap nearing the end of the third, which left the Rangers trapped in their zone for a good two to three minutes. Finally, with the goalie pulled, Michael Del Zotto blocked a shot that lead Ryan Callahan into the zone on an odd-man rush.
Callahan took the shot, as Marian Gaborik was guided into Martin Brodeur, courtesy of Anton Volchenkov. Artem Anisimov found the loose puck, and slipped it under Brodeur. But before the the puck could even hit the back of the net, the goal was waived off by the referee. This easily has to go down in the record books, as one of the worst calls in hockey history.
If a defensemen pushes an opposing player into HIS OWN goalie, and the puck finds a way in, IT'S A GOAL. I cannot even begin give the slightest guess as to what the refs were thinking when they made that call, it was that outrageous. In case you missed the game, or better yet, the "best call ever" according to Devil fans, you can look below for a video of the controversial goal.
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few thoughts not about the last 5 seconds
pretty obvious eminger will be in for bickel on thursday and probably the rest of the season
wolski might find a way in the lineup as torts searches for some offense
richards has been the worst forward 5 on 5 in the last 7-10 games and has been awful on the PP in that period. he finally looked semi decent on the PP in the 3rd period tonight
i hope this doesnt make sather make a move like trading for ruutu, as he will not solve anything.
im scared George is gonna hit me with some stats that show that Richards hasnt been bad the last 10 or so games
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure I can find ones that says he’s been good for 10 games.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I could say something about these concerns but I have Time Warner cable and have no clue how Richards has been playing recently. :-(
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lucky you. time to creative and find a not so legal stream site. i dont think msg and twc are gonna make a deal anytime soon
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't help us "soon" but...
Via SNYRangersblog.com:
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This would at least force both sides to the table, something that can’t currently be done.
The article has a statement from MSG saying that there has been no progress in the talks.
in today’s NHL, i don’t see them calling it a goal. every effort is being made to protect the goalies. he was clearly pushed in, all of his weight was on Gaborik’s legs, no way he could stop even though he was trying. i knew before the puck went in it was going to be disallowed.
what’s upsetting is, there was no conference. he was so emphatic it was interference but he was wrong. why not take 20 seconds and talk to the other officials? in a tight game that call has to be correct.
Rangers didn’t play very well. Devils are looking very good at the moment.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
Please give Richards some linemates
As for the two fights in the first second of the game. Is it really necessary? Nothing happened to warrant it and personally I think it almost plays into the Devils favor. I mean why else are guys like Cam Jannsen and Eric Boulton on that team? To score goals? They want to fight and quite frankly I don’t think we should give in unless they want to start fucking with us on the ice.
I also feel like the Rangers might be getting a bit too passive. The playoffs cannot come sooner for this team. They need some games to start meaning something more when they win.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions
i think richards needs to show he deserves to play with some good linemates first
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
how can he if he is never given the chance?
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
by making plays or passes that make you say “if it that was somebody other than prust on that line it would have been a goal”
by nyrangerfan521 on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but Prust is not going to put himself into the same positions on the ice that a more offensively competent line mate would. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango. You can have Richards flopping around doing the duggy and looking like urkel all game long but if you want him looking like travolta you gotta give him somebody to work with
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. Nicely said
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 8, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
misunderstood you a bit.
Richards is the type of player that excels with good line mates and sets them up. He has Eriksson in Dallas and in new york he has Brandon Prust. No offense to Prust he’s no Loui Eriksson
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
*Had Eriksson
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"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Trade for Jamie Benn.
Problem solved :)
by I.LikeMittens on Feb 8, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Did you review Rule 69 before writing this? It’s the sole discretion of the official whether the attacking player made a reasonable effort to arrest his momentum before making contact with the goaltender.
As I see it, Volchenkov chased Gaborik to hook him or lock up with him, which would slow him. Itwould be harder for him to stop with Volchenkov on him, and in any case he tried it too late. Hence, the ref penalized him. It probably didn’t help that he put his arm up high into Brodeur’s face, knocking him into the net.
If Lundqvist think that’s just Brodeur selling it, I wonder how he and your team will take it when Hartnell does a flying leap into him. He’ll stand there and take the shot, never-wavering, and then making the glove save. Delusional.
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by Alan Wright on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
^From a Devils, point of view everyone..
by Bryan Winters on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah sorry.
Last time I put “Devs fan” as subject line so you see that.
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by Alan Wright on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe this photo will clear things up...
by Bryan Winters on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
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"He's the best first passer in the game. He moves the puck up exceptionally."- Sather on signing Wade Redden
"If you look through the NHL, there aren't many players with his type of ability; he has superstar ability."- Sather on signing Vladimir Malakhov
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t clear up anything. I saw the game, the replays, the video you posted, etc.
It’s a borderline case and the question is whether Gaborik made a reasonable effort to stop (and you think the snow indicates that he did) or whether Volchenkov pushed, fouled, or launched him into Brodeur (thus allowing the goal because the contact wasn’t initiated by Gaborik).
The snow alone doesn’t tell us that he made a reasonable effort to stop; only that he made some effort. Nobody said otherwise.
In the refs opinion, it wasn’t enough. In particular, I think the problem was that he probably felt Volchenkov’s pressure on him and used it as a pretext to putting his arm into Brodehr’s face. Per Rule 69, a push from a defending player woud not amount to an interference call if the attacker made a reasonable effort to avoid contact.
Gaborik is a veteran and a smart player. He’s smart enough to toe the line of legal crease-crashing while using the momentum Volchenkov added to him to hit Brodeur and, plausibly, argue that it was due to Volchenkov’s push.
That’s what makes it such a close call. Given some of the soft penalties that the refs called all game, it’s no surprise they sided with the goaltender on this one.
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by Alan Wright on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How about you take another look at the video.
Watch the last angle they show. You can actually see gabby turn his body to stop, and then volchenkov comes in and twists his body back with a hook.
There’s no way that any player with 3 seconds left skating hard to the goal would ever intentionally run through the goaltender, unless maybe the name on the back of his jersey said cooke. Gaborik wanted to get to the front of the net and stop, however, another player impeded his ability to do so.
I don’t think Gaborik is a dirty player like Matt Cooke, but a smart player would know how to “sell” the contact from Volchenkov. If Lundqvist says a fellow netminder “sold” the contact then Kovalchuck must conclude that Gaborik “sold” the contact and didn’t do enough to stop himself. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. But, Brodeur’s reaction is not part if the rule. Only Gaborik and Volchenkov’s actions are addressed by the rule.
The ref doesn’t have slow-motion replay from the reverse angle, etc. He has only a live, on-ice angle from his position.
In other cases we’ve seen this be called a good goal where the Dman makes a clear, distinct push of the attacking player and he falls into the crease. I think Montreal’s Desharnais had one go in off his visor last week against the Devils after he was psuhed into Brodeur. Good goal. I see those as the typical case because the push is distinct.
Here, it’s not a push as such. Rather, Gaborik couldn’t stop either because Volchenkov is on him (added weight) or because he didn’t try hard enough.
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by Alan Wright on Feb 8, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anybody see any Devils fans on this site when the Rangers beat them? Didn’t think so. Just like last night on Twitter, I had every Devil fan tweeting me except for Joe Piscopo.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 8, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Did you not read my post?
First of all we are not discussing whether or not it was the refs fault, because we all know they have to make these calls at full speed and at full speed it may look like gabby ran the goalie.
What I am saying is that if you look at the last replay, you can see gabby turning his body to the left to stop, and then volchenkov coming from behind and spinning his body back with a hook the other way so that gabby had no chance to stop. Its like the Mcdonagh situation. Mcdonagh was going into the boards and was in the process of stopping, however, ference made contact with his skate which did not allow him to stop. You think Mcdonagh meant to run into the boards, NO. Another player on the other team interfered with the play and neither could stop.
And lets not even go into the brodeur argument, because I don’t know what kind of pussy would flop into the net like that and not hold his crease with 3 seconds left.
well
i wonder where all of that snow was coming from? Gaborik’s skates i think no? Volchenkov had his weight on Gaborik’s legs, if you watch the replay. No way Gabby stops, he was pushed. Yes it’s the ref’s discretion, and he was immediately emphatic that it was interference, except that this play almost always goes to the goalie now due to the goalies getting run over this season (like Miller). As for Brodeur, he always throws his stick, flings his arms and throws himself backwards, even if he’s not even touched. If you’ve been watching him play for the last 18 years, you would know that. It should have been ruled a goal, but in today’s NHL, chances are it won’t.
Shoot the puck Barry!!!
Delusional if he thinks he wouldn’t react the same way, regardless of whether the contact violates the rule or not. Indeed, since such contact can be legally initiated outside the crease – then a reasonable effort made to arrest ones momentum – a goaltender has very little incentive to “sell it” because selling it takes him out of position. At least trying to stand ones ground and take the hit allows him to try to stop a rebound.
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by Alan Wright on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Way I see it...
Gaborik can’t stop in that situation. With Volchenkov on him like that he can’t hockey stop. He’s making contact with brodeur no matter what, and he was clearly trying to stop to limit the contact. That’s what happens when you crash the net sometimes and like Dave Moloney said it’s a hockey play.
as for the whole Gaborik put his arm up thing, Gaborik didn’t intentionally do that and that was because volchenkov was on him.
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by RichieToGabbySCORE on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree Richie, again, maybe THIS photo will clear things up again for Mr. Alan
by Bryan Winters on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t disagree there. Volchenkov made it harder to make the hockey stop. He made some effort to stop, but not enough. But did he make “some” effort to avoid contact? I don’t think so. In fact I think he used Volchenkov’s momentum as a pretense to throwing his shoulder up.
Obviously we disagree. In real time, it’s a difficult call to make from the ref’s angle because it’s not one of those obvious pushes.
By comparison, Desharnai’s goal here, in the 1st period.
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20112012,2,755&fr=false
That push was obvious and the goal should stand. Most cases are in-between.
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I am not sure any effort he made to “avoid” contact would have ever been enough. His only option was a hard stop based on his momentum and the position/momentum of Volchenkov behind him. Even if Gaborik was successful in his hockey stop, the momentum of him and Volchenkov was more than enough to get him into Brodeur. Perhaps Gaborik’s momentum alone was enough to get him into Brodeur and his crease, but it is hard to think that Gaborik wouldn’t have stopped just outside of the crease given how good of a skater he is.
Tough call.
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such a bias i mean i guess i can't blame a team with what is it 20 ROW on the season
gaborik was trying to stop before he was even close to the crease, all the slow motion and still pictures aren’t enough to clear you of your bias so just enough with this play already. oh and stop trying to pretend like volchenkov wasn’t trying to push him in lol
you guys just found another bullshit way to beat us, whatever this game doesn’t matter.
we’ll see what happens in the playoffs.
We know its up to the refs discretion, we’re saying the refs discretion is shit
by Zuppa Di Pesce on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
That is absolutely Brodeur selling it, Gabby doesn’t even fully run into him and Marty makes it look like he just got ran over by a mac truck.
And it’s pretty clear that Volchenkov was the reason Gaborik made contact with Brodeur.
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when has there ever been an explanation by the league? if there wasn’t one after the winter classic then there never will be.
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maybe since its such a controversial play ?
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by Fire Renneyy on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
A few quick thoughts-
Never, ever let Stepan take another face off to start a power play. The last time that guy won a face-off must have been when he was 15.
Dubinsky has hands of stone- missed two tap in goals tonight. He should not be allowed on the power play.
Someone please tell Stepan that is ok to shoot the puck. Really. You wont get yelled at if you do.
Tough way to lose but we only gave it a good effort for 1 period. We didnt deserve it.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions
Tough loss.
Torts had steam coming out of his ears. Must have been killing him to keep his thoughts from spewing out.
by PureBlue on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Okay, I’m not trying to start a war here, but just a Devils fans’ two cents:
I thought Volchenkov definitely pushed Gaborik. I’ll give you that. I also agree that Gaborik slowed himself down, but it looked like at the last second, he pushed his shoulder into Brodeur.
I understand the frustration, as the Devils were similarly robbed of a game-tying goal with under 5 seconds to go earlier in the season.
It’s also easy to blame the refs, but also consider that Volchenkov was previously high-sticked and Henrique tripped, and there were no calls on either. Again, just my two cents.
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There are always going to be missed calls.
Just off the top of my head, Mitchell and Gaborik were both hooked on rushes up the ice. We can play the game all day.
The pictures/videos blatantly showed that Gaborik was attempting to stop, and Volchenkov pushed him into Marty. The Rangers we’re completely robbed.
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there are non calls all the time in hockey on obvious penalties. this is a case when a penalty should not have been called. your argument doesn’t exist
by NYR-BD-RC-HL-MS on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not all non-calls are created equally. For instance, Devils benefitted from a non-call when Zubrus tripped Giroux on the PK a few nights ago. Last nght, Henrique I think was tripped on the PK but it wasn’t called.
Non-calls that shouldve been and calls made in borderline cases like this are totally different cases.
Everybody wants more consistency and predictability in officiating, but I think the consistency comes in the ref’s tendency to protect the goalie in cases like this. At first I thought it would be called 50/50, but now I’m thinking that’ll be called interference 90% ofthe time.
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Well there are always going to be games that are officiated in your favor and games that aren’t.
But when a play results in a goal, it should be reviewed regardless.
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most brilliant statement on this post
what i’ve been saying since the end of the game last night
I know people want to just jump all over the refereeing, but I can’t fault them for making that call. The attacking player is supposed to make their best effort to avoid contact with the goalie. Hell, look at Bryan’s picture above. Gaborik gets pushed from the side (amazingly Volchenkov is stopping too) and if you look at that picture, he can easily avoid Brodeur by shifting to the side.
I’ve seen that call many times, even on players who are pushed/nudged/guided near the goalie. The onus is almost always on the attacking player to make every effort to not contact the goalie. Amazingly, with being pushed from the side, Gaborik also manages to fall forward into Brodeur (he was not pushed in that direction at all, it looked like he specifically fell in that direction thinking he could get away with it because he knew he had contact.)
Either way, they generated very little in terms of offense. I hear some folks “oh they dominated blah blah.” Dominated what? I really can’t recall that many good saves Marty had to make. Giving up no shots because the Devils went into a shell =/= ‘dominance.’ The forwards, with the exception of Prust, some Hagelin, and a few spurts by others, were largely ineffective in this game. A poor game does not boil down to a questionable call with 3 seconds left.
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nice post.
in agreement w/ everything stated. i’m usually one to be all pissed off about things like this but let’s be realistic here… the rangers didn’t play to deserve a win there at the end, and that’s what it comes down to.
move on, destroy the bolts.
by VVIZARD on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
best chance was dubinsky, hard pass, he missed it. hagelin had a nice chance, fatso made the save. other than that, they all looked like they had a load in their pants. except for hank of course, once again.
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Dubinsky had 2 really nice chances on one of the power-plays. That hard pass through the crease and he missed it (it looked like it could have been a bit out of his reach) and another where he was alone in front of the net but couldn’t control a pass and it was taken away). Gotta be gripping the stick too tight.
Caerid out of all due respect
he can easily avoid Brodeur by shifting to the side.
that is ridiculous! In the laws of physics when your skating down and you have a huge 200+ lb defense men pushing down and hooking you , its not easy to stop. So how can you say gabby couldve easily avoided brodeur. Unless you were right there , you cant tell.
Also I highly doubt that . Gaborik being a vet in this game in the final seconds would not want to run into the goalie , as well as cancel out a goal because of goalie interference. I believe that if he couldve he honest would’ve.
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by Fire Renneyy on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
gaborik.
i’m in agreement that gaborik probably would’ve avoided marty if he could have but i think it’s too tough of a call to make and the ‘no goal’ is definitely the safest to make.
if we would have done more to win, we could have avoided the last few seconds being ‘heartbreaking’ or w.e. word you want to slot in there. we could have lost in OT, or worse yet, in the SO… AGAIN.
i’m ok w/ the result.
by VVIZARD on Feb 8, 2012 12:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hey im not saying we deserved the win , cause honestly we played like complete shit , like ny mets playing baseball shit. But thats what what hockey is about , last minute last second plays that give you a chance , and there it was our last chance that should’ve counted.
Do they deserve the win – Def Not
Should it have counted – Def believe so ..
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by Fire Renneyy on Feb 8, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
NOT SAYING
that we WOULD have lost, because i always believe that we have a really great shot of winning EVERY game, i’m just saying a SO loss would have infuriated me and this did not.
by VVIZARD on Feb 8, 2012 12:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a GOAl..!!!
Gabby was pushed and kept pushing,he tried to slow down but couldn,t..as he himself is saying..so devil,s players..themselves created this scenario.Volcenko in question..I don,t think that Gabby wanted to hurt a golie.and ref.should discuss and analyze more deeply this situation with others and not waive a goal immediately!..That picture itself speaks very clearly..do you see the snow?..ref …..Go rangers!!
This easily has to go down in the record books, as one of the worst calls in hockey history.
I’m going to hope this are the emotions talking. Should it have been a goal? I think so. But it was a very close play no matter how you slice it.
I understand that we are all Rangers fans here and it’s VERY frustrating to lose this way, but this is just not an objective point of view. I think that it should have been a goal, but I also see how it’s a very hard call for the refs to make. No matter what you call, one team is going to be very unhappy. Can you imagine what Devils fans would be saying if the goal stood? They would be losing their minds, saying Marty was run over. Again, no matter how you view this, it was a lose-lose situation for the refs. No call was going to be understood.
Let’s be a little less reactive here, and maybe consider all the perspectives. This won’t even go down as the worst call of the season, much less one of the worst calls in hockey history.
yeah but devils fans should realize they’re player but they’re goalie in that situation if the goal stood
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not saying its the worst call ever tho
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Man
Winters is just caught up in the moment. Yeah it should’ve been a goal but there is nothing that can be done about it now. We just need to get past this and continue to play great hockey
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 8, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
We need some offense
Insert Wolski into the lineup until Sather can pull off the Ryan Smyth and Bobby Ryan trades.
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 8, 2012 1:19 AM EST reply actions
There’s a good chance he plays over Rupp/Feds for a few games. Slide him up with Dubi and Mitchell, drop Boyle back down to the 4th, and see what happens.
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Makes sense
Even though hes struggled mightly in his short time as a Ranger (mainly due to not playing very much) He’s more offensively talented than Feds or Rupp
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 8, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope he does well…he has too much talent that is wasted
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 8, 2012 7:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
There’s a doubtful chance he plays until the conditioning stint is up. I just don’t see it.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 8, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was referring to when he comes back up.
People want to trade for Boyes, etc., but why not try Wolski first?
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What this really shows is that rule changes are in order.
From this moment onward, all officials calls should be able to be overturned by video review. That means penalties in addition to goals.
Also, anytime a goal is scored, regardless of whether a penalty was called or not, the play should be placed under video review in order to ensure the right call is made.
And since when is “we didn’t deserve to win” a valid argument in the slightest? Frankly, it doesn’t mean shit if the Rangers “deserved” the point or not. That’s saying it’s okay to purposely call the game in a teams favor if they are outperforming the other team but losing. Completely absurd.
The goal was scored, and should have counted, and that’s all there is to it.
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I think only if the penalty is involved with a goal like tonight but to review every penalty is rediculous
by Prustyballs94 on Feb 8, 2012 7:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He didn’t say to review every penalty.
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Fair enough.
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I’m not sure about every Goal being reviewed, I would like it, but it won’t happen. Any questionable judgment call type of goal, they should all absolutely be reviewed. If this is too much to ask then any game changing late game goal. There has to be some way to improve the way officiating is done. Not sure if it would work but maybe give coaches a challenge to use. 1 challenge that can be used at any point in the game. This should add another strategic aspect to the way coaches can change the outcome of the game. Refs in hockey have a tough job but they should not be the reason a team wins or loses, they have too much power with this respect. I may have a biased view point as most fans probably of their respective teams have but I feel like since the Winter classic we have had the ass end of the officiating more often than not.
Rule 69.1
Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
I think that says it all, goal definitely should’ve counted
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Well if we are going by the letter of the law “when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease” was not the case here. Brodeur was in the crease.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
“If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.”
^This refers to inside the crease im pretty sure.
Bottom line is that we should never have let it get to that point. My philosophy is that refs are always a wildcard and wildcards are always part of the game. If we had scored a couple of goals during the previous 19:55 seconds this would be a non-issue.
We got outplayed for two periods. We can’t let that happen.
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by voice22 on Feb 8, 2012 2:25 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
This. So much this.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree with this
At the end of the day, the Rangers played a really bad first period and it cost them. Plenty of games left, and 3 more against the Devils. NJ is playing well right now, but the Rangers have also shown that they can come out and run off 5-6 game winning streaks.
On to the Lighting Thursday.
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Sure. But when it comes to this particular game, it doesn’t matter whether we deserved the win or not. What matters is whether the right call was made or not.
When it comes to our team in general though, we need to be much better.
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Just got to watch the reply and maybe since I didn’t watch the game live I didn’t have the emotions others did when seeing the tying goal waved off.
To me it could go either way. Definitely not the ‘worst call ever’ as some have said. If the roles were reversed we would all be screaming for that goal to be waved off due to contact with Henrik.
Just one of those things throughout the year. Some go your way, some don’t. But if its takes 3sec remaining in a game to score your first goal then that call didn’t lose the game for you.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 8, 2012 4:25 AM EST reply actions
Exactly
I’m more mad that another loss to the Devils included some sort of controversial play/ending but when you’re given a late third period PP and you’re down you must convert that (the Devils did in the first game, remember). They’ve scored, what, 7PP goals in their last 6 or 6 in their last 7? Even if they can’t get something 5v5 they’ve gotten scoring from there to help them go on a winning streak. We haven’t.
This is also the second time in 4 games the Rangers have gotten shut out, and that’s unacceptable.
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I think people are more outraged that their isn’t a system in place to review a call like that.
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It's pretty obvious this call did not cost NY the game...
It was the previous 59:57 that cost them the game. It was a poor effort by everyone except Hank . When teams are working hard and playing well they get the calls and the puck bounces their way. When they play effortlessly you tend to have the calls and the bounces go against you.
Yes it should have counted, according to the rule book. No they didn’t deserve it.
I actually thought the 3rd period was pretty well played by NYR
Gaborik and Hagelin played pretty well, along with Marc Staal who looks like he’s back in form.
I hate when they lose games like this – Hank deserves better
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The call is what it is, game over, can’t be changed. As was previously stated, the Rangers played about 52 minutes of lousy hockey with a few spurts intertwined. I just think it’s funny that Devil fans have felt compelled to show up today and argue their case.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 8, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions
I don’t believe in Devil fans, I lump them together with Big Foot and other mythical beasts. I believe your mind is just playing tricks on you, Jim.
by I.LikeMittens on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, Devil fans have never shown me to be anything more than “Anti-Ranger” fans than supporters of their own team.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I get it. Opposing views and rational views aren’t welcome in the Blueshirt echo chamber.
But I’m not even a Devils fan anyway. I’m just an Anti-Ranger fan, right? That’s probably right. If a Western Conference fan came here making the same argument I’m making then you’d find some other way to dismiss him. Typical.
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How far in the hole are the Devils this season? And Newark…. sheesh. Enlighten me as to how you guys are going to afford Pharisees, get a goalie behind Mr. Walrus, and oh yeah.. pay Kovalchuk for another 100 years.
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by BleedsRangerBlue on Feb 8, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There are plenty of angry Ranger fans just reacting to a tough loss to a rival but there are also plenty who have made reasonable comments about how the Rangers didn’t play the whole game and were outworked by the Devils. There’s no need to come on and make certain comments that are just going to get the predictable riled-up response (as the above rebuttal about attendance indicates).
The call at the end was controversial, both sides are going to see it the way they want to. There are also Ranger fans who agreed that the no-goal call was good. They may not be happy about it but they admit it. Comments here and on other threads have openly called out the Rangers for the lack of scoring and how a half a game’s worth of effort shouldn’t get you a win. There are plenty of opposing and rational views around not just the hot-headed impulse comments.
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That is a severe over generalization of Ranger fans. Not sure if it’s more an anit-Ranger sentiment, or perhaps an anit-NY sentiment. I myself do not and have not ever lived in or around NY state let alone NY city, and therefore have never witnessed the Ranger/Devils rivalry first hand, so I will not make assumptions about either fanbase.
What is apparent, however, is the constant trolling that occurs rapidly after either a Devils win against the Rangers, or a Rangers loss in general. So, you can see why Ranger fans would feel the way they do about Devils fans.
The fact of the matter is that a Western conference fan would not be trolling a Rangers based fan board, immediately after a win. Period.
by I.LikeMittens on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
They are.
We just don’t see it as your way. Plus, do we ever go into ILWT? Nope. Yeah some people go around other SB team pages and talk there, some are even almost regulars, but why would you wanna do it with your rival team? That bothers some people I’m sure.
And yes, I live in NJ, have grown up with a bunch of Devil fans around me always saying shit about the Rangers. I’ve been saying this for years and it’s absolutely true, Devil fans hate the Rangers more than they love their team.
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It was an immensely frustrating loss and you know where you are. I am sorry that you are being treated less-than-hospitably but everyone here is clearly emotional about the call and the way the game went down.
At some point when there are two opposing perspectives and opinions people simply can’t find a middle ground or convince one another, so it boils down into both parties being stubborn and repetitive and irking one another. We’d all do better to know when to just walk away or better yet, to learn how to open our minds to compromise and healthy debate. Take it easy.
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response to you and the others above too.
I appreciate the sentiment and recognize it’s a sensitive topic. I’ve tried to be sensitive to that, but I admit I’ve been repetitive and the timing is poor. Of course the thread exists on the day after, so it’s hard to choose the timing. Anyway, I accept that and take ownership that I stoked the fire. I wasn’t trying to, though it’s foreseeable that my comments could do that. I take ownership of that.
I posted here because the author made, I thought, an unsupportable statement that it was “one of the worst calls in hockey history.” That’s about as reasonable as Al Trautwig’s overreaction in the post-game.
As such, the general tone of my comments has been to say it’s a borderline call and that Gaborik made some effort to stop, etc., but that it wasn’t enough. Etc. It doesn’t matter now.
As I’ve said before on this site, the Rangers are a serious hockey team and they deserve their place in the standings. I thought Callahan had the right attitude in his post-game interview in the locker room: “it is what it is, but we just have to keep doing our thing, etc.”
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Opposing views are always welcome. You just need to understand that 99% of the Devils fans we see come here after they beat us and make trollish comments.
Other fans always come here and have good chats about their teams and ours as well.
It seems to me that the large majority of Devils fans care more about the Rangers losing than the Devils winning.
So before you make generalizations about another fan base, maybe take a look in the mirror?
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You just need to understand that 99% of the Devils fans we see come here after they beat us and make trollish comments.
I’d like to see your advanced stats guru back that up.
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As someone who’s been on this site a couple of years now, I can tell you that with confidence. No Devils fans come here unless they recently beat us and have comments to make.
In fact, you have been far and away the most intelligent and respectful Devils fan I have seen on this site within the past year.
And, we could just call George if you’re really interested. He knows everything
Also, none of what you said can be backed by a “advanced stats guru” either, so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here.
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Pretty much.
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Hate to say it
This easily has to go down in the record books, as one of the worst calls in hockey history.
Wasn’t a playoff game so it can never even be close to being one of the worst calls in hockey history. If this happened in a playoff game I might be singing a different tune though.
We played like shit for 2 and a half periods or more and we didn’t get a call to go our way. Do I think Gaborik made the intention to stop? Yes. I think it was quite clear that he did make the effort to stop, what with the huge spray of snow and all. But the call isn’t going to change and getting livid about it is going to change nothing about what happened.
Swallow this loss (as painful as it is), remember it for the next time we play against the Devils, or anyone for that matter and use it to remind us to play OUR game of hockey for the full 60 minutes. Learn the lesson from it and move on.
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We dominated the ENTIRE third. We played very well the last half of the first period.
That’s half the game right there…..
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Yet we still didn’t score a goal until a debatable one in the final five seconds of the third with the goalie pulled.
We didn’t play a great game.
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I never said we played a great game, by any means. I’m saying we didn’t play as bad as other people are making it out to be.
There are plenty of games Henrik is dominant and doesn’t let anything past him. That doesn’t mean the other team played bad. Is it so terrible to give Marty credit for playing well and making some nice saves?
No, we didn’t play great, but there’s a large gap between not playing great, and “playing like shit for two and a half periods or more” If you truly believe that we played badly for 55 minutes of that game, than either we watched a different game or have a completely different opinion of what the word “bad” means.
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And if you want something to be upset about Moshe, I’d suggest taking a gander at our powerplay before we start stringing up effigies of referees.
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I’m pretty sure we’re all already pissed at the PP.
That doesn’t mean we can’t be upset about missed calls, or at least a lack of a review in an important moment of the game.
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Interesting analysis
Here’s Kerry Fraser weighing in on the goalie interference call from the Devils game: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387268
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that is a gem everybody on this board should read it.
From Kerry Fraser himself, he maybe a weirdo but was a ref for a very long time.
“No matter who you are cheering for, this missed call had a major impact on the game and reinforces my call for video review by the referee on contact with the goalkeeper where a goal results. (Notice I said by the referee, not the situation room!)”
“Initially, it might appear that Gaborik just ran out of real estate and crashed into Brodeur, which would result in a goalie interference penalty. From referee O’Rourke’s position, a little bit behind the goal line on the near side to Gaborik, that is exactly how it would appear to the ref in real time.
As I saw the reverse look of the play, I noticed Gaborik’s left skate break from his natural stopping motion and slide marginally to the left, causing an unnatural fall into Brodeur with Anton Volchenkov exerting backdoor pressure on Gaborik from the opposite side.
Upon closer inspection, we see that Volchenkov places his stick between the legs of Gaborik and the pressure exerted causes the NY Ranger to fall and crash into Brodeur. The clear evidence is seen when the players attempt to untangle themselves in the crease. Vochenkov’s stick blade can be found stuck in the plastic blade holder of Gaborik’s left skate!
If anyone didn’t think the contact from the back side was significant to put Gaborik into Brodeur, Volchenkov’s stick placement should provide the smoking gun!"
this ^ is the truth.
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