New York Rangers Trade Rumors: Discussing The Rick Nash Rumors
by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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PrintThis time of year is always interesting for the New York Rangers and their fans.
Because the Rangers are a big-market team (with a big-market media presence) nearly every big name in hockey will be linked to Broadway from now until the trading deadline. It's the nature of the beast. From here, it's the reader's job to distinguish exactly what rumors are plausible, which are completely unrealistic and which rumors are unlikely but not insane.
You can file the "Rick Nash to New York" rumors under the "unlikely but not insane" category. Before I even get into this I just want to reiterate that this is a rumor, nothing more. This post is also not meant to start a rumor. I have no inside information. I'm just commenting on something that's been thrown around (Columbus considering trading Nash) and connecting it with one of the Rangers' needs (offense/power play help).
With that said, join me after the jump for more.
The Rangers can easily be considered Stanley Cup contenders at this point in the season. Fact of the matter is, the Rangers are one of the best teams in the NHL, and are sitting atop the Eastern Conference. They're contenders regardless of what past teams might make you think.
Being contenders means that Glen Sather will most likely pull the trigger on a trade or two at the deadline to help bolster this squad as they waltz into the playoffs (hopefully with a high enough seed to give the team home ice advantage).
That does not, however, release the Rangers of some of their regular season issues, the biggest of which being a stagnant power play and an offense that's good for eight goals one game and none the next. With that being said, I think it's fair to assume that when Sather evaluates what he's looking for come the deadline offense will be a top priority.
Thus, if Columbus actually is looking to move Nash, Sather should at least kick the tires. Nash is still young (he's only 27) and is already a two-time 40-goal scorer, a six-time 30-goal scorer and has scored 27 goals or more in all but one season this year (he only notched 17 his rookie season). In his career, 80 of his 276 goals have come via the man advantage.
Although Nash is having an off year this season (just 17 goals and 35 points in 53 games) those numbers are still top the Blue Jackets' scoring list, and he's putting up those numbers on a team that's having a poor year.
Now, onto the hard part about big trades, what the Rangers would need to give up. Let's start with Nash's cap hit. Nash is slated to make $7.8 million a year until 2018. That's a hefty contract, and one that would require some movements if the Rangers wanted to fit him under the cap (currently the Rangers have just over $1.5 million in cap space).
The salary can, incidentally, be shed in the trade itself, depending on what Columbus would actually want. If Brandon Dubinsky ($4.2 million) and Wojtek Wolski ($3.8 million) were involved, then the Rangers would free up $8 million in space, actually saving the team $200K in cap space.
Before everyone starts yelling "why would the Blue Jackets want Wolski," give me a moment to explain. In Wolski the Blue Jackets are getting a player who might be able to make an offense impact this season, but at the end of the day if Wolski was included in a deal to Columbus it would be a financial move. The Blue Jackets aren't making the playoffs this year, and Wolski is a free agent at the end of the year. It's a no-risk move. If Columbus likes what they see out of Wolski, they can re-sign him. If they don't like what they see, they can cut him lose and make him a free agent. The choice is theirs.
As for Dubinsky, you would have to assume that Columbus would want an NHL-ready player right now along with some picks and prospects. Even though Dubinsky is having an off-season this year, his all-around play and potential might be appealing to a Blue Jackets team that can use some grit and playoff experience.
Obviously Wolski and Dubinsky alone wouldn't get the deal done. Some combination of Chris Kreider, Christian Thomas, Matts Zuccarello and other picks or players would need to be involved.
Again, I'm not saying this deal should happen, I'm just letting you know what would have to happen to help it go through. No other player the Rangers would be willing to trade would help free up the cap space aside from Dubinsky and Wolski, and it still remains to be seen how much else Columbus would want back in return. It might be too much. This might also all be for naught, if the Blue Jackets don't want to trade him.
Again, this is all speculation.
Regardless, thoughts on all this guys?
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Love the guy but hate the contract.
As good as he is he does not produce enough to justify that contract. He was the ‘face of the franchise’ and got the extra money because of that.
I would rather sign Parise for less and not have to give up anything or consider Carter since as crazy as his contract is, it’s not worse then Nash. Plus the price for Carter should be much less than Nash.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions
CBJ have been horrible for years and years and he’s consistently been tops in points and goals on that team, i think it’s safe to say his numbers don’t represent the type of player he is because of the team he plays on…
I think it’s safe to say given a better team he’s more of a 70-75 point player at min. (up from a 60-65 point player)
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Obviously something like MZA/Dubinsky/Wolski/Pick for Nash would be sweet
But if Columbus starts asking for Kreider/Thomas/McIlrath/Erixon etc. I think Sather needs to pause. We have a first place team with a great farm system. If we want a big name offensively again, why not wait until this summer, with Parise. Personally I think hes better, and the contract can be negotiated to our liking, and obviously no players would be lost.
Trading the farm + Dubinsky would be putting all of our eggs in one basket (not to mention selling low on Dubi). Unless a steal comes along, I say just add a cheap rental (smyth, Ruutu) for a 3rd/2nd pick and hope the scoring picks up.
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We don't have the money for even a solid
free agent over the summer. Not unless you clear space at the deadline, which the Rangers won’t be doing since they’re contenders.
I’m not even saying trade for Nash, or that we need a big name. This is just for discussion. But, with the cap space the Rangers will have they’re not going to be big spenders this free agency.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
im bad with contracts/cap space
but wouldnt they in theory be clearing out room with guys like Wolski this offseason?
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by Stepan's Sister on Feb 9, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve typed up an article on cap space. With Drury going away, and Wolski leaving, we have just under 7 mil to spend for next season.
The issue is the season after, when some of our guys become RFAs.
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so is Stralman
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
my bad, he is still a RFA
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Strange that he was a UFA after his last contract. Not sure how he goes back to RFA status.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Feds and Bickel are UFA, as is Prust.
Relevant RFAs:
Del Zotto, Stralman, Wolski, Chad Johnson, Zuccarello, Valentenko, Talbot, Wellman.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Really the only one we have to worry about getting a big raise and keeping is MDZ and Prust to a lesser extent.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he is also replaceable imho. So if we had to scrap for cap space we could let him walk.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
he may be replacable, but he is not a scrub player, he actually made the team as a young guy. I argue to say that the bottom 6 forwards are mostly role players, we have our favorites like Prust….but any of them leaving will not make much of an impact.
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The RFA concern is after the 2012-13 season. You have Anisimov, Stepan, Hagelin, McDonagh and Sauer all RFA.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
5 guys, but really, how many of them are going to get anything significant over what they’re getting now? Stepan’s struggling, AA is in the doghouse, Sauer has been set back by a concussion, and Hagelin hasn’t put up enough points for Sather to give him much.
McDonagh is the real question mark. I could see him getting something like what Staal and Girardi got, maybe for a longer term.
McDonagh/Stepan alone you can expect $3m in raises if they stagnated now. No way are they getting only $250k more (roughly qualifying)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
if we get Stepan at even 2.5 I think its gonna be a steal.. This guy is gonna be a legitimate 65 point guy.. and McD should get a sizeable raise
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If Stepan continues to get 1st line minutes, 65% offensive starts and 1st line PP time, he could see a significant jump, especially if you’re giving him another superstar on his LW. He’s on pace for 53 points despite the struggles. If he’s a 23 y.o, 65ish point center, he’s going to get a monster jump from the $875k he makes now.
Anisimov same thing, if he puts it together in the next year, you’ve got a bunch of money there also.
Hagelin/Sauer/McDonagh I agree. I really don’t see Sauer in the long-term plans right now, and Hagelin should be a 3rd liner long-term, so not much money there. McDonagh is a ?, but he could get $3-4m, which again, is another $2m raise.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Found it!! lol tweak away.
2013/14: Nash-$7.8M, BR-$6.667M, Cally-$4.275M, Kreider-$2M (assumed), Stepan-$962,500 (qualified), Gaby-$7.5M, Hags-$962,500 (qualified), Boyle-$1.7M, Prust-$1M (assumed), C. Thomas-$1M, Miller-$1.275M, Rupp-$1.5M, Staal-$3.975M, Girardi-$3.325M, McD-$2M (currently RFA for 2013/14 so I gave more than qualifier), Sauer-$1.75M (currently RFA for 2013/14 so I gave more than qualifier), Erixon-$1.75M, McIlrath-$1.325M, King-$6.875M (final year), back-up-$1M. That totals $58,641,667. Anyone that doesn’t have a comment after them has a contract for 2013/14 which is a good portion of this roster except for Kreider, Stepan, Hags, Prust, McD, Sauer, and the goalie back up.
And my point continues to be that you can have even more room with the same production by taking Carter instead.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, and it would cost less to get him.
Much less.
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I don’t think he’s even in Nash’s category. nash has never had the team that Carter has played on in the past. I think Nash’s production actually goes up here.
I dunno, the trade off is that playing with better players means he’s less likely to be the one contributing to goals.
Last year he had points on 50 of the 59 goals he was on ice for. Overall for the last 4 seasons, he had points on 80% of the goals scored And it’s not like we’re this big offensive juggernaut that outscores CBJ every year, the separation isn’t great. His 80% is one of the highest in the league (also note Wolski on that list, lol). Some of that comes from him just being a star, but some of it certainly comes from him having to create his own goals. Less responsibility to do so could affect the bottom line, but I have no idea how one begins to forecast that.
For counter reference, Carter had 46 on 67 last year, right in line with his career (or BTN career) number of 68.7%
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
George, every time you bring up WW stats I get even more madder at WW because he could be a great player. Anyway, Nash’s size and physicality matches the Rangers’ style of play. He fits right in. I don’t think Carter could match that physicality and his risk for injury would be much greater given the way our team plays. don’t discount the Torts’ factor in this.
But is it worh paying the figurative 80 cents on the dollar for Carter or the 120 cents on the dollar for Nash? The assets that would go the other way and the cap hit of each player probably aren’t offset by any supposed premium Nash brings to the table.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Kreider is definitely untouchable.
I would make the move if they required Thomas and Erixon along with Dubinsky, Wolski and a 1st rounder. We have other prospects playing well like Miller and St. Croix that can make Thomas expendable. Also, we are very deep defensively, and by the time McIlrath makes it to Broadway we could have Girardi, Staal, McDonagh, Del Zotto, Sauer and McIlrath.
The only problem I forsee is re-signing our youngsters in the next 2-3 years because we’ll be strapped financially.
Way too much for Nash IMO
No way I do that deal.
According to what I’m reading the scuttlebutt is a young NHL player, a high end prospect, and a #1 pick for Nash. So how does that translate for the Rangers? Dubi (young NHL player), AA (high-end prospect that’s playing now), Thomas or Erixon (to make up for the low level #1 pick as Kreider, Miller, and McIlrath aren’t going anywhere), and their #1 pick which will be at the bottom part of the first round. That’s what I think it will take. Worth it? Hard to say but if the Rangers keep up the lack of scoring then you know Glen will consider it and the CBJ would also have to consider it too. 9 years with Nash and look where they are: fail for Nail.
You can't blame Nash for Columbus' poor play during his tenure
he never had a top team around him and he was always doing all the offensive work himself (for the most part). On a better team (where he’s not the only offensive focus) he is a different player.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
no Joe, not blaming him, I’m looking at it from the CBJ standpoint. They went for it this year and look what happened. Time to blow it up and start over. It’s not Nash’s fault at all, it’s the team’s. His +/- is deceiving because the team is so bad. I’m almost advocating the move.
I didn't mean to come off as if you were saying it was his fault
I just wanted to add that to your original point.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Erixon (to make up for the low level #1 pick as Kreider, Miller, and McIlrath aren’t going anywhere)
Erixon’s less likely to go anywhere than most of that list, IMO. They didn’t cough up two picks and a prospect that was well reputed within the Rangers organization to flip him.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
he’s nearly a point-per-game player in the AHL as a defenseman. He’s a Ranger for good.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
you have to give up something to get something. I agree with both of you, I love this kid (Erixon) but it’s Nash…
Yes, you have to give something. That something won’t be Erixon.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Borque really has no value as a prospect to other teams
he wont have value until he does something in the NHL
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And everyone forgets the wrangling that had to happen to get him.
He is not going to be dealt. At all.
All the strings his father had to pull for us? And we are just going to move him? Not going to happen.
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I would love to see Rick Nash on broadway. However, I’m not a fan of his contract. I think we have all the pieces we need, we just need to figure out how they fit together. Maybe give a grinder an occasional day off here and there and dress Wolski or MZA. Both are much more offensively gifted then the bottom 6 and might find some chemistry with Richards. With Torts constantly juggling line it is hard to develop that chemistry. Chemistry that will translate to more goals
by Michael Tricario on Feb 9, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions
going into the season we had Wolski penciled in as our first line LW
by Michael Tricario on Feb 9, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Kesler
I know thats a serious pipe dream, but that’s the guy i’d love to see playing on our team. Like a more talented Callahan.We also know Van. would never trade him or with us so. Pipe dream.
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I don’t know… Towards the beginning of the season, didn’t Vinnie Prospal pretty much slam Columbus’ lack of intensity during practices? He made some comment about how veterans should be setting the tone for the youngsters but that was not happening in the BJs’ locker room? (Can’t find the link.)
I don’t know whether this part of the commentary applied to Nash or not, but…I’m kind of concerned that it could. If more investigation were done to confirm that Nash is stand-up with his younger players and does have that fire in the gut, okay then. But the NYRs don’t need someone who’s lukewarm in his intensity and drive to win.
I agree that you kick the tires
but I think the contract is prohibitive. He’d be exactly the type of player we’d go all in on about 10 years ago, but now I don’t think the Rangers go with this sort of thing. I think Nash would be more Gaborik then he’d be Gomez, Redden or Drury tho.
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Carter 27 y.o., 0.39 gpg, 0.73 ppg, 3.57 SOG/g, shoots 11%, .22 powerplay ppg, led team in QoC 3 times in last 5 years.
Nash 27.5 y.o, 0.42 gpg, 0.81ppg, 3.37 SOG/g, shoots 12.7%, .26 powerplay ppg, played top QoC 2 twice in five years (2nd and 3rd highest QoC)
I don’t know how Nash is worth the $2.6m premium (not to mention the additional assets in trade)
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It’s the headline risk that scares people.
Carter = malcontent party boy that was a lockerroom cancer in Philly
Nash = old fashioned power forward that’s never gotten a chance to be on a winner
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Carter = malcontent party boy that was a lockerroom cancer in Philly
Nash = old fashioned power forward that’s never gotten a chance to be on a winner
Can we please stop with the TMZ/Star Magazine crap? Like he’s the first young, rich kid who likes to party. Locker room cancer? Where do you get this? That whole locker room was in disarray because of a power struggle between the younger core of the team and the elder guys (Pronger/Briere) and team management. I think most of the shit about Carter was nothing more than the media and fans blowing shit WAY out of proportion in order to self-justify trading away the team’s captain and their leading scorer….for Bryzgalov.
Don’t turn one guy into a frat boy and the other into the Virgin Mary, because it reeks of gossip magazine bullshit.
Carter HAS been bad for Columbus
but I can’t blame him. He signed a big contract with Philly thinking it was a lifetime deal, and then they flipped him to a place he didn’t want to go. I can’t blame him
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
That feeds into the whole malcontent/headcase label that people love to paint him with. They ignore the fact that you’d probably find very few happy people in the Columbus lockerroom this season.
People heap the blame on Carter and Wisniewski but Steve Mason who’s been god awful since his rookie year gets a mere slap on the wrist.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Wisniewski deserves the blame
he SIGNED THERE WILLINGLY. Carter is a different story. He had no choice.
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Starting out the season suspended was not a great way to kick things off but Wisniewski is basically their version of Drury/Gomez for the Rangers. Everyone knew he was overpaid the minute he signed that deal. He’s pretty much produced at his career average. I don’t blame any free agent for taking an inflated deal if there’s a team dumb enough to offer it.
I blame Howson and co for offering it and not cutting bait with a goalie like Mason.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, in terms of Columbus, he obviously wants out. Granted, he could be more professional, but when you sign a 10-year contract to play somewhere and then get sent to the worst team in the league…I’d be pissed too.
Put him in a winning situation, on a team with a strong coach, top-notch leadership, and a chance to stick it up Philly’s ass 6 games per year ++++ playoffs, he’ll find it in his heart to kick ass.
heh
hopefully he plays hard for games where we don’t play philly too haha.
But yeah if Carter was not injury prone i would jump on his contract and take the risk over Nash at least.
although I don’t really advocate making a huge move at the deadline.
Carter is a high risk/high reward type deal
Nash is a medium risk/slightly higher reward type deal that costs more
The costing more makes it just as risky. That type of contract can put a team in cap hell.
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Is Carter really injury prone as say Gaborik is/was? I don’t feel he is at all. He is certainly not fragile.
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I’m pointing out the perception that people have.
I honestly don’t believe most of it, but if you look at most negative comments about Carter they cite that narrative.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting that the party boy rumors hasn’t really followed Richards to LA.
I think it had a lot do with a plain and simple character assassination by the Philly media. Although Holgrem shipped both of them out so yeah there’s probably some elements of truth to whatever the press was saying.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
You think that Carter and Richards should probably have been sent to each other’s teams? LA already had a beast of a 2 way center but needed more of a goal scorer. Nashville needed a responsible 2 way center.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville needed a responsible 2 way center.
Columbus you mean? No, I don’t think it matters. Maybe they’d have been slightly better off with Richards, but Pahlsson already eats up the toughs for CBJ, so it doesn’t really matter which one. There was nothing wrong with adding Carter, but adding Carter to play with Nash was silliness from the start.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah CBJ
Don’t know why I put Nashville. I think I had “Nash” on my mind.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
But Richards can eat the tough minutes and produce 70 or so pts.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I have a story going up about Carter too
especially because he wants out. I wouldn’t mind him
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Plus Carter has 6 PPG in 32 games to lead his team. Nash has 3 PPg in 52 games
Carter is also +50% career on face-offs.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Caps. He scored 50 then was shipped to the Rangers of Ridley and Miller. One of the worst trades in Ranger history. 2nd to the Middleton deal IMO.
My argument to your stats is they don’t take into account the fact that Carter was playing with much more talented players in philly… and Nash has been the guy and the only guy in Columbus… he’s much more talented than carter and his numbers would be marginally better…
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Just addressed that above.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with most of what you all have said…we trade to a western conference team so that dubi/AA/whoever would be traded does not come back to haunt us. As long as glen doesn’t get rid of kreider…mcillrath…or erixon…I’m good with anyone else leaving. Really excited about kreider…don’t do it glen.
by inHANKweTruST on Feb 9, 2012 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Although I love Dubi, I wouldn’t be terribly depressed if he left in a package and the return was Nash. With that being said, I couldn’t deal with another 7+ contract for the next 5 years. I am way too excited to see Kreider for he to even be considered. I could part with MZA for anything at this point because he doesnt’ seem to be a factor in the long term growth of this club.
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The Cap would be a very tight squeeze with Nash inserted into this lineup. I’m not really sure what MDZ will be looking for as a RFA, but I imagine he will want more. We only have about 16 million in cap space if nothing changes this year. And will have to resign Biron or a replacement, MDZ + and a combo of 6-7 forwards and d-men. Trading for Nash now would probably help today, but kill our farm system in the process. Unless we can send 8 million their way, I say don’t do it.
MDZ’s going to take the same beating in RFA that everyone else has (Staal, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Girardi, Callahan) on their 2nd contract. He’s got no arbitration leverage, so he’s without a paddle. I wouldn’t expect his raise to be more than about $750k, give or take.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
If you use Cally and Dubi as an example yeah, 2 years and avg of about $1.5 bump.
But looking at Girardi and Staal its quite different. But then again MDZ is neither of those two.
My guess is he gets 2 years between $1.8 and $2.2
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Girardi got $1.5m on his 2nd deal, Staal had no 2nd deal, I was wrong there, he got his big boost right away. Cally and Dubi did start from a lower point than MDZ, which I suppose matters.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Staal
I don’t think Staal took a beating did he? Didn’t he go from ELC to the 5 yr deal he signed?
Very true George. But more than likely it would be a 1 year deal and off to arbitration next year correct?
I’d guess 2 years. All the RFAs have gotten 2 years on their 2nd deal, IIRC.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
See my post above. Dubi and Cally got the 2 years. Stall and Girardi got more. don’t know if it was a personnel decision or a defense thing.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nope 2nd. His entry level contract was 3 yrs starting in 07-08 at around $800k
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see a guy like Nash or Parise on the Rangers as much as anybody else but the Rangers simply can’t afford to sign one of those guys. Sure, you could get rid of Duby and Wolski but that’s very shortsighted.
There’s no big contract coming off the books in the near future but the Rangers have to resign MDZ, Sauer, McD, Step, Hagelin, Prust and AA over the next two summers. Good luck with that if you have almost half your cap spent on four players.
We have about 1.5 million in space as of now.
Wolski’s gone +3.8 million
Drury’s buyout +2.5-2.6 million
Feds could walk +1.4 million
MDZ gets a raise of somewhere around $750k to $1 million
= approx. $8 million in space.
I think Prust and Mitchell and Biron re-sign and the combined raise is about $1 million.
That leaves us with $7 million.
I don’t see us keeping all the other d-men in Stralman, Woywitka, Eminger and Bickel.
I agree, they won’t keep all of them, but they are going to have to re-sign some of them or replace them. Drury’s buyout still has a 1.66 million hit on the cap next year. Dropping 2.1 million from this year.
I’m not saying the Rangers are unable to sign a guy like Nash or Parise. The problem will be to resign all the young players they have now on the team.
Just look at the guys we’ll replace in the near future. They make 600k-800k and then look at the contracts our prospects have. Erixon 1.75M, Mcllrath 1.325M, Miller 1.275M and Kreider’s contract will most likely be in the range of Erixon.
If the Rangers add another big contract, they’ll be in the same situation Chicago was a few years back where they had to trade players because they couldn’t afford them anymore.
If you bring in a big contract, then most likely Dubi gets traded to free up 4m.
It’s also why you don’t bring in a guy with an 8m contract.
Parise, probably. I’m more inclined to just go after a scorer than a top all around player. More depth.
It’s survivable because Gaby’s contract will be done by the time it all becomes a big problem with RFAs/etc.
I would take Parise before Nash or Carter. The problem is not only going to be acquiring him, but If he comes to us as an UFA we’d have to make another move to clear space because we won’t have any room if we keep everyone and sign him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Parise’s deal ends up being both a higher cap hit and a term that lasts just as long as Carter’s.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather give up Kreider than Erixon
The guy looks to have all the talent in the world yet he is not dominating NCAA competition the way he should. Seems like a bit of a red flag to me. A solid offensive defenseman seems much more valuable to me, and he will be able to make an impact much sooner.
That said, I dont really see the point in adding yet another ridiculous contract, and I dont have much interest in Nash himself. Why handcuff ourselves to almost $30 million between Nash, Gaborik, Richards, and Lundqvist? It will make it difficult in a few years when our young guys need new contracts.
Uhh
Kreider has more than a point per game in the NCAA, and has scouts drooling all over him. He’s the best prospect in the system, and shouldn’t be going anywhere
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
He’s the best prospect in the system
I’d put him 1b behind Erixon.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Better offensively, as well.
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I can see that
I might put him at 1a, either way, I’m glad they’re both Rangers
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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 9, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
The Rangers are looking for scoring forwards today (Parise, Nash, etc). Kreider is a power forward with speed. We don’t have anyone like him on the roster TODAY. He could plant himself in front of the net on the PP. Kreider has the chance to become the scoring winger that fits with BR. I dream of a future line of Kreider/BR/JT Miller.
Any chance Kreider can play for us after his season is over? I guess it’s only possible if the Whale don’t make the playoffs.
yes, after his college season. I think he has to be signed though as he is not as of yet I don’t believe.
Yeah but he has said he wants to finish school….not just the hockey season. So thats uh….May? June?
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Oddly
Most colleges end in late-April early May these days. But I sincerely doubt they would bring him in for the second or third round and beyond absent exigent circumstances.
by Blueshirts Rock on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
They brought in Tony Amonte for 2 games right after he left BU.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Putting a rookie forward into the lineup at a point in the season when there are playoff implications with pretty much every game? I don’t see it happening.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
They did give Callahan and Anisimov playoff games in their rookie season, but both were coming out of the A.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
they did it with Amonte too, right from BU ;)
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Also Callahan’s promotion was under Renney and I think the organizational depth was so weak during AA’s rookie year that it was almost a necessity to bring him up.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Put him into Whalers' playoffs
THAT could just be the bump that gets him to the NHL next September.
Trade Kreider?
Way too early to give me an aneurism
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by Kevin Power on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Meh, don’t really want Nash. He’s young, but he’s already got a load of miles on his body.
Not to mention…Columbus has the all-star game next year. Are they really going to trade away the ultimate face of their franchise this year? They’ve done some dumb things…but that’s pretty much shooting themselves in the foot with their fan-base.
I think there’s better options than Nash. Considering his contract vs. production, there are far more valuable players out there who can most likely be had for less than what Nash would cost.
look how far they came
Idk ….do we really wanna dump some guys for a high risk chance. Who’s to say he becomes a diff person when he gets here. Idk. Id rather steal a predator defenseman. Our defense is awesome but they don’t produce offensively enough. We need a guy like Karlsson. I don’t mean him so to say but someone relative to who he is. I would give up Dubi Wolski Erixon MZA a few others for that young defense beast on our team
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 9, 2012 9:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Erixon projects to be what Karlsson is. Maybe not 50 points, but he’ll definitely be providing offense.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Would rather have a 35 point D that isn’t part of a 28th ranked defense.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Larsson will be that good also.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the Oilers made a mistake not taking Larsson over RNH. It’s good to have a stockpile of young forwards such as they do, but they such a crappy blueline that it seemed like a better move to round out that team.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I can see your point but RNH is the real deal. he was better than a pt per game then he got hurt. RNH is a stud.
RNH was getting murdered on the road when Renney couldn’t hide him. Yeah, he was putting up a lot of points, but he wasn’t getting much else done yet. He’s 19, so that’s fine, and he’ll be a player, but I’d prefer having Landeskog, Larsson, and Couturier (f’n Howson, f’n Flyers) from that class.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I really disagree
Landeskog’s a 40 pt, possession monster already who is also playing other teams’ top lines (leads Colorado in QualComp.) Kid is an absolute stud.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
eh I'd love to have either
but I honestly think a 60-70 point two-way power forward is harder to find these days.
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It’s harder to find a Larsson than guys like Scheifele or Huberdeau, certainly.
19 year olds that can immediately be thrown against other top lines and not only be productive but also control possession are practically non-existent.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but I think Landeskog is more special. Potato, potato.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
More importantly I just bought a ticket to the NYR BOS game on March 4th. Will be in NYC for work and had to see a game.
Anyone else going? I will be in section 112.
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I am going against the Hawks next week. My first game at MSG since Shanny got his concussion. Then going to the Wings game next month for the girlfriends first MSG game. In April moving back to NYC for the first time in 12 years, hopefully for a long playoff run and a parade. (We can hope right!)
I frankly love Nash, and every once in a while watch his highlight goal from 3 years ago (I think) where he just undresses 4 players and roofs it. But I would rather have Carter, if it is only a choice between those two. I would love to have a skill play who HATES Philly on the roster. I would be beautiful seeing him demolish the team that betrayed him 6-8 times a year. That is a perfect world scenario though.
Can’t wait to go to the Garden! No more waiting for our boys to come out to visit the Sharks once every other year! Even though it almost always meant a victory, talk about ownage!
by Eastversewest on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
One thing to consider
I am on record as saying I would really love Nash here. Hes an excellent player in thought he really stood out in the Olympics for team Canada. No I dont love the contract BUT> One thing thats not being talked about is there there is rumblings around the league that work stoppage is VERY possible in thew NHL again. Talks between the two sides on easy stuff has not gone well. IF the Rangers feel that a work stoppage is possible and a year may be lost then it make sense to grab Nash NOW. Try to win the cup NOW. If it doesnt work out and the league stops there miss almost definitely be another amnesty period in which the Rangers would be able to shed salary cap space down the road for free. Just a thought.
That’s better a lot on the work stoppage.
if we bring in Nash, not only do we have to trade some of our guys, but we also won’t be able to re-sign everyone.
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If Nash brought you a cup this year would that matter as much? You can always maneuver cap space or bury guys like Redden but I dont think that would be necessary. I think its worth it.
If we did win this year, I’m not sure being handcuffed to Nash until 2019 would be worth what we will have to give up along the way.
Cartewrs deal is even longer so I like him less. I just really like Nash and imo they have to make a move the Rangers cannot win with their scoring punch as presently constituted
by DieselCane22 on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Carter has basically been every bit as productive as Nash throughout their career, is more versatile and better defensively. His cap hit makes him a more valuable player everything else being virtually equal.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Carter is also less reliable injury wise and has WELL documented off the ice and locker room problems.
by DieselCane22 on Feb 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
On average Nash has missed just under 9% of his team’s games per season.
Carter has missed just over 11%.
As for the off-ice/lockerroom stuff, is it well documented or well rumored?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
If we are going to give up the farm for a big named player, can we at least make it a player who’s worth his contract?
This isn’t baseball. There is a hard cap, and in order to win with a hard cap you need to sign players who are cost effective.
Sure, Nash is a great player. But for a guy who has broken 70 points ONCE in his career, and is making close to 8 million, it’s not worth it.
Add to the fact that people are willing to give up two 40+ point players and 2 of our best picks/prospects, I just don’t understand the logic.
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In fairness to Nash he has never had any players to play with like Gaborik or Richards. I get what you are saying but I think we need someone like him and IMO guys like Dubi are replaceable and he is redundant on the team.
agree with this
I think he would fit the Rangers system like a glove….if we can make it fit with the cap, I say we do it…We’ll be strapped for the next few seasons, but I love our chances with Hank, our D, then Gaby and Nash scoring the biscuit.
I think once Gaby/Rupp/Wolski/Dru’s buyout/Redden come of the books we should be comfortable. I think unless McD/Staal/Girardi go on scoring rampages, they should be pretty cost controlled….same with Stepan.
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He’s still a guy that generates a healthy amount of shots per game regardless of his teammates. He just doesn’t score as much as people would like to believe and I don’t know how much a change of teammates will actually affect that.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
There is one reason why I’m not buying into that “he’s on a shitty team so his numbers suck” argument.
That reason is Vinny Propsal.
Dude has 33 points in 53 games. Obviously its not harder to put up points in CBJ than it was in NY last year.
Listen, I’m fine with adding more skill, but only when the player is worth their contract. Nash isn’t even close.
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I was thinking of Steve Nash
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If you can get Carter on the cheap I don’t see why not to make that deal. I’d rather not trade the farm for Nash.
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Carters production per dollar is much higher than Nash’s, and he would cost a lot less.
Not sure i love either but I’d strongly consider Carter. Nash’s contract, plus whatever we’d have to give up, makes it a no-brainer for me.
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I think Bobby Ryan is the best fit all things considered.
he’s who glen should be focusing on. He’ll fit under the cap nicely for years to come. Worth a first rounder and a top 3 prospect.
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If you think our late 1st rounder and a top-3 prospect is all it takes, Brian Burke would have already done it.
Considering the Rangers 1st rounder is like a 20-30 pick, yeah it will take more than that.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
no it would probably also take dubi and possibly another pick or lower tier prospect
I’m just saying the Erixon/Kreider’s of the world are the one’s people have issues parting with. Our best players are in their peak right now…it’s time to make a run.
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Dubi, thomas, another prospect and first? I still don’t think that would be enough.
Ryan is a perennial 30 goal scorer and hes a year younger than Dubi.
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I’ve argued it so much now that I’ve almost convinced myself, but I think given the whole idea of “Torts style,” I think Carter’s a better fit than Ryan too. Ryan’s biggest selling point to me is that he comes ~7 years cheaper.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
It also matters what we have to give up, and we won’t have to give up anywhere near as much for Carter as we would for Nash or Ryan.
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I think he adds skill to the top 6
and comes at a smaller cap hit, is younger and is signed for less years than Carter/nash
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The issue is how much more would he cost?
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again, as a disclaimer
for any player, I don’t advocate a trade unless it’s at a reasonable cost
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Bobby Ryan $5.1M
Jeff Carter $5.27M
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Which means that Ryan can demand a larger deal in 3 or 4 years.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
exactly.
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you guys are forgetting that Nash is a huge and physical player in addition to being very talented. skies the limit if he’s on the Rangers.
That’s a dangerous term.
Sure, the skies the limit, but he’s that same physical and talented player in CBJ. The sky is the limit, which is why he was a first overall pick.
But his cap hit is also above his limit of contribution. He’s an amazing player, and under a different contract I’d love to have him, but I’d rather not have 4 guys making 30 million when they are all older than 27.
Add into what we would have to trade for him (Dubi, AA, 1st, whatever else) and it’s not worth it.
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I understand, I do, I just think that Nash’s game translates better to the Rangers than Carter’s does. Everyone is concerned with chemistry when bringing in new players and rightfully so because the formula works. we just need a little more scoring. I think Nash fits better. What good is bringing Carter here because he would cost less for trade and $$ if he doesn’t fit the system?
Conversely Carter is familiar with the East, probably somewhat familiar with the Rangers and has experience playing on deeper teams. Nash has always been the man on CBJ. Who knows how he reacts to being less than that?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I also think Nash’s numbers could be much higher playing on a better team. Hostorically Carter has had excellent players around him and Nash has never had any. I would take Carter. But I PREFER Nash. Yes he make more but its less years than Carter.
Better team doesn’t even come within a light-year of meaning “good-scoring team.” The Rangers have the lowest GF of the current 8 playoff teams. Some of that’s not having more pure goal scorers, but it’s also about the system.
Thinking Nash is going to come here and have an offensive explosion is just complete fantasy-land machinations.
Agree 100%. And no, he is not helping out our PP in any significant way either. It seems our PP problems are more system / coach issues than they are player issues.
Hahahaha, I said PP problems!
I agree with you guys but I think Nash fits the Rangers a 100 times better than Carter and therefore is worth the $$ difference IMO.
Maybe he “fits” better, but the production he will bring is not worth the 8 million he makes, OR the players we would have to give up.
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fair enough but if I assess the chances of winning a Cup with the current team from 1 to 10, 10 being the highest chance, then I give it about a 4. I don’t think Sather stays with the same team with that kind of a chance. With a bad PP and stale offense that’s about the assessment I would make. Take it from there.
Dubi is a nice player but he is not earning his money on our team
for what he does, he might be worth his contract to another, differently constructed team, but he had 2 chances to bury goals against the Devils and fanned…he has gloves of stone…we need someone who can finish plays like that.
If a trade is made, dubi should be a piece.
@btown46
Well, if it’s for one of those big name guys, he will be. He has to be for $ reasons.
The issue is when the trade becomes Dubi, AA, 1st, and a top prospect for some 60-70 point player who doesn’t play defense.
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That’s why he will be a tough sell to any team. Because if You , me , and everyone else here can see Dubi’s struggles, So can every scout in this league.
Exactly.
If we wan’t to trade him, why would other teams want him?
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he might be worth it to a team
that lacks grit, defense and forecheck in their top six…we have enough of that, not all teams do.
@btown46
Not sure I want to commit 4.20 million of cap space to grit. Grit I think can be obtained much cheaper (Imo).
yeah; grit alone
but I still think dubi has a valuable skill set…just not that valuable to us at this point
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It’s more than grit, until this year, it was production/possession against tough opponents. Both are down this year for some reason, production more so.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
We had every reason to believe he’d worth his contract coming into this season. His points per game had increased every season he’s been in the league and he’s obviously a mainstay on the PK and tough matchup situations.
He’s had a disappointing 50 games, but that shouldn’t undo his previous few seasons worth of production.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree he's a nice player
I just think his unrefined scoring touch makes in expendable to us.
@btown46
If he’s the centerpiece to a deal for Carter or Ryan and the Rangers aren’t given up any other core assets, then yes, pack your bags Dubi. But we all know it wouldn’t just be him and mid ceiling/mid round draft picks.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
For rentals maybe, but I don’t think they’d trade Dubi for a rental.
Highly productive players with multiyear deals are a different story.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I posted that Sather had a deal in the works during the Super Bowl...
this was it.
The three more sure names I was aware of, were Wolski, Zucc, and St. Croix. But, the last one was a toss-up between Dubnsky and Anisimov. I’d heard Eminger could be added for cap purposes.
The bottom line is this: a need for a power forward who can be productive down in the crease, and has experience playing the cycle is a need in the top 6. This fits, period. Rick Nash makes sense. If he is going to drop his NTC, and play for a Cup, this team as it’s built is the right fit.
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Wolski, Zucs, St. Croix, and Dubi or AA for Nash.
I’d make that trade, but I would not be comfortable with Nash’s contract, at all.
His play is not worth his pay-check.
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If you look over his whole body of work, he’s a victim of a bad organization…not of his personal lack of success. The only coach that ever did right by him was Hitchcock.
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Not saying he’s a bad player. He’s a great player, just not worth the 8 mil per year he makes.
Rather have Carter and another guy making 2.5-3 mil.
Prospal has 33 points this year in CBJ. Obviously it isn’t that hard to put up points over there.
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Moshe, this has been a terrible season for that whole organization; the best thing that happened to them was getting next year’s ASG. It’s obviously time for them to get their heads out of their arses over there, and start getting it right.
They’ve wasted Nash’s potential trying to rebuild. So I don’t put too much on Nash at this point.
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I’m talking about his entire career, not just this season.
The money he makes is too much compared to his contribution. You win cups by bringing in players who outperform their contracts, not underperform them.
When he puts up a 60-65 point season, like he normally does, and is being paid 8 mil to do so, people will be frustrated.
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by Moshe52792 on Feb 9, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, victim of his organization.
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But were not any better..
How do you know he’s going to fit in this lineup? You’re willing to part with a known commodity (Dubi, bad year or not) a couple of high end picks and a high end prospect for a guy who might fit? Torts system is not exactly ordinary and I’d rather not take NOT ONLY an 8 mil cap hit but throwing away guys who helped (And will continue to) build this team into the Cup winning one were praying for.
Plus
Nash’s ceiling is not really that high IMO.. I feel like everyone assumes he’s going to come here and put up like 85-90 + points..
Like Moshe said, when he puts in his 70 pts for the season, are we gonna look back and say “hey Dubi was only about 10 pts off that last season but it was worth giving him up for a guy who makes 2x his salary +high end prospects and picks.”
I don’t want any part of him unless we are fleecing them in a trade and that is not happening because he is the face of their franchise, they are struggling and if they ARE going to trade him want every bit they can squeeze out of a team.
First, I’ve said nothing about trading Dubi. I want Dubi here; he’s the perfect personality and has intangibles that belong here.
Second, Nash is a player that needs a challenge. Playing in dismal only makes you more dismal.
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And no, we’re not expecting 85-90 off the bat. But, given the talent he’s already shown with no playmaker around him, adding him to a Richards (who is clearly pass-first) can only help. Plus, Nash in and of himself is a very good defensive forward.
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You know, everybody and their mother was all “wow Richards is going to turn Gaborik into a perennial ~50 goal scorer.”
Now Richards on pace for one of his worst years.
Bueller? Bueller?
If Dubi stays, who goes? We would need to send a significant contract the other way for the cap to work.
As I stated before, the Rangers can afford to add $4.418 million in salary, as reported on NHL.com. So, if you figure two roster players, one or two prospects, and a draft pick should get it done.
As I also stated before, the proposed thought (as is my understanding) is Wolski, Zuccarello, St. Croix, Eminger, and either Anisimov or Dubinsky.
To me, if the Rangers brought up Zucc now, and then traded him from the NHL roster, the cap should be just fine, and maybe you won’t have to indeal either of Dubi or AA.
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Remember though, that if you do bring in Nash with that contract, in two years you are not going to be able to re-sign all of the RFA’s. Step, AA, MDZ, McD, Sauer, whoever.
If you aren’t expecting him to put up 85-90 points, than why would you bring him in? A Player making that much NEEDS to put up that many points, or else he’s not playing up to his contract.
People always say Nash can’t score because CBJ is so bad. Prospal goes there one year and is on pace for 50+ points……
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WW is a Ufa, as is eminger next year. I can’t imagine trading a franchise player for a 2 Ufa’s an unproven Rfa (Zucc). Even if you add Dubi to that list it really doesn’t make much sense for the other team. Can you imagine trading Lundqvist for a similar return? That would be Gm suicide. We will have to trade more than just our spare parts and a struggling Dubi or AA.They would need instant return and or high end prospects to make this deal happen. We would have to offer along the lines of what the Kings gave up for Richards IMO.
WW is technically a RFA.
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by Blueshirt in Paris on Feb 9, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he’s not going to be qualified.
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I would rather have Nash’s contract for say 75 points than Dubis for 38 points. Also I think AA is limited so i have no problem giving him up. Just my feeling.
You need to look at the numbers again.
Your assuming Nash will have his BEST year, and Dubi will have his WORST. If they both play how they should, Dubi will put up 45-50 points and Nash will put up 65.
And more importantly, Anisimov. Within a year or two he will be putting up at most 15 points a year less than Richards, for 1/3rd of the price, while playing better D……..
By giving up those two for Nash, you are losing cap space AND money.
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Forgot to mention that next year’s first would be added to this proposal.
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So..
Wolski, Zucc, St. Croix, Eminger, Dubi/AA, and a 1st.
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This is what I was told more than once.
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As I’ve mentioned here before, I’m the nephew of an employee of the NHL offices here in NYC.
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oh god no
please don’t do that , adding the first is icing i really don’t want to put but besides that heh why not
I’m fairly certain in two years (maybe less) people are going to be talking about Nash’s contract the same way they talk about Lecavlier’s.
Exactly.
Stay away from it.
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Aye, Sir. Photon Phasers on lock; awaiting your orders to fire.
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Throughout his career Vinny has put up way more points than Nash. Vinny had seasons of 92 and 108 points. Nash hasn’t even sniffed that yet.
In their careers:
VInny – 837 points in 986 games.
Nash – 523 points in 645 games.
If people bitch about Vinny’s contract, the’ll bitch about Nash’s.
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Nash, on mostly last place teams, has had no less than 50 points in his eight seasons (with the exception of his rookie season, 39 points).
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Great, 50 points. Dubi and AA can do that too.
Us fans will be real happy with that :/
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lol Moshe, Danz10 is 100% correct. Nash is a game changer and the other 2 are not. You pay for game changers especially when you have a team that can contend for the Cup. some of you were not around for 1994 when they basically gutted a first place team and shipped out all the young guys. you all would have had heart attacks, lol. I was skeptical admittedly but thank God it worked out.
He’s correct in your opinion. That doesn’t mean he’s correct.
And it’s a different world than 94. It’s a cap world, and it’s about spending wisely. I’m about building for the future, because I realize that this team is going to continue to improve. They aren’t even at their peak.
I don’t care what his name is, or what you may think, I do not see Nash as a game changer. I fail to see how someone who has broken 70 points ONCE in their career is a game-changer. How is one a game changer when they don’t even average a PPG?
On an average season, you are giving up two 45-55 point players for a 65 point player, while losing cap space. BIG NO-NO for me.
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and I certainly don’t agree with this. LeCav is an overpaid stiff and has been for quite some time now. look at his whole career and tell me, on a high scoring team no less, that he compares to nash.
In his peak years Lecav was as good as, and some years significantly better than Nash. His peak is behind him, so might Nash’s in the not so distant future. Nash isn’t old, but he’s not a youngster anymore either in NHL terms.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nash is equally overpaid… and if you look at their whole careers as you suggested I do Lecavlier’s peak was much greater.
and exactly how many “good years” did LeCav have? 3? a lot of his stats were accumulated very early and within a small # of years too boot. I’m not saying Nash’s contract is ideal, far from it, but to me he’s a game changer, LeCav is not and hasn’t been for years.
Number of 70 point seasons for Lecav: 5
Number of 70 point season for Nash: 1
I don’t think anyone is arguing to get Lecav now, but merely looking at the fact that Nash could easily turn into Lecav beause he’s not really any younger than when Lecav started to decline.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Vinny’s 31 and on a 70 pt pace again. I’d be quite pleased if Nash was that 4 from years from now.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a giant fan either honestly, but it’s hard to argue with his production.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
He was also a beast for the Bolts in the playoffs last year
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Vinny is a good player don’t get me wrong but for the majority of his career he has been spoon fed by St. Louis who arguably has been the modern version of Adam Oates…with more goal scoring talent. Tampa has always surrounded him with a supporting cast it helps. I don’t see that with CBJ and Nash. Nash is likely not on a decline because he sucks, he is on a decline because he is miserable with the state of his franchise and needs a change of scenery. I think he could work well in NY and his contract scares me less than Carters….in length. I’d rather have Bobby Ryan or Getzlaf though. pretend I winked.
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Only thing I argue with there is on the contracts. If we didn’t have a $7m goalie or just sign a $6.6m Center, I wouldn’t care about Nash’s money. You really can’t fill out a roster well if you have 4 guys = $30m, without getting lucky on ELCs.
Nash would certainly increase our window for success short-term, but he hurts it’s longevity. In this day and age, I dunno which is more valuable. I suppose short-term viability, but it wouldn’t be my preferred plan.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Change of scenery gambles are for guys like Zherdev and Wolski who had low cap hits and short contracts….not guys like Nash who have staggering contracts and will cost serious assets.
Correct but there is a reason both were projects and available at such a young age. I think Nash as well as Carter both have very good pedigree’s, they are not situations where you take a chance and hope they are going to work out, they will both make your team better just because of their collective presence.
The fact that likely Dubinsky and wolski go back in any deal for a major player balances out the hit significantly. I am leary on taking on a huge contract but I am also a realist. A player like Ryan Smyth or Brad Boyes is not the answer that will get us over the hump, we need that impact player to make a serious Cup run. Without it, we will not go anywhere. That said, I am confident Sather makes the right move and when the time comes to re sign Step, AA, Mc D, we won’t have any issues. Gaborik is off the cap in 2 seasons…..Avery, MZA, Drury, Fed’s and all the dead weight cap will be gone as early as this next offseason. Krieder comes up relavitvely cheap……I think pretty much any large move can be accomodated. Carter’s 10yrs scares me but in my opinion, he has the tool we are looking for, scoring, two way center….and despite what someone said earlier……he’s missed 31 games to injury his whole career which isn’t horrible.
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If Carter is player that makes your team better instantly, why are the Jackets struggling, and why would they be even thinking of trading him.? Nothing is guaranteed. I also don’t believe that WW is a part they would be seeking. That seems like a reverse rental to me. Because they won’t tender him a qualifying offer, and won’t lose him to an offer sheet (Imo). They are going want to help out our cap concerns? So really what they would be getting back is Dubi. They gave up Voracek and a 1st rounder (Sean Couturier) and a 3rd rounder. Why would they take so little back on that investment?
I’m all for trading WW, but in this scenario it is a great thing for only NY. I can’t see any Gm making that kind of blunder.
not at all, Nash appears to be the guy who could be available that could put the Rangers over the top this year. there’s no one else out there that’s available that can do the same thing. Ryan isn’t going anywhere.
He’s a 65~ point forward with an 8 million dollar Cap hit. Not worth assets, and not worth the headache of people complaining about his contract for the next 5 seasons.
Well I’m not a big believer in one player putting a team over the top. Particularly in a sport where even your best players play like 1/3 of the game.
We could very well see slumping guys catch on a fire for a few weeks in the spring. We could also easily see Nash shit the bed in the playoffs and see this year’s Nash be the baseline for his performance going forward.
It’s a huge gamble to take and IMHO I think they need to let the current core take one shot at a playoff run and then figure out how close they are.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Believe me, I don’t love Nash. I think he’s a very good player but for all the trouble associated with trying to acquire him and for long term committment he will never be worth it.
Unless it’s like Wolski/Redden/Rupp going the other way.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not in the least. I’m just emphasizing the fact that I’d rather retain the core right now.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
The love of Rick Nash on this site (and others) borders on self-parody.
would it be the same if you substituted Dubinsky or AA for Nash? At one time EC as well.
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Throughout his career he has been far and away better than Nash.
You need to look at the stats again.
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And just a comment on the Jeff Carter "love"...
Jeff Carter has proven himself in the playoffs in some years, and shrunken terribly in others.
Nash has only seen one playoff series,and St. Loius won in a sweep. Not exactly a “large” sample size in terms of playoff experience. But, this guy has been an Olympian and has a gold medal.
Point…you just never know.
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It was Detroit that swept them.
Also that was an absolutely stacked Canadian team so I’d take that with a grain of salt vis a vis individual performances.
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I stand corrected about the team…as for the Canadian team, I’ll grant you that. But a whole team plays and wins in the Olympics.
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Yet more proof he can play in the clutch. Traid for heeeeeeem!
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Because he has a few good games in the Olympics?
The NHL is not the Olympics, and the Olympics are not the NHL.
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It’s not so much love of Carter over Nash as love of his deal over Nash’s. If Nash made $6m instead of $7.8m, this isn’t even a discussion.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming it would take the same assets to bring him over. Which it most likely wouldn’t.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
No, George, you sabremetric stud. I’m really was referrring to the concept of having Carter here at all.
To me, I would think that would be the ultimate “kick in the balls” to Philly. But, Carter has been up and down in the playoffs (name me a player not named Gretzky, Lemieux or Howe who hasn’t).
I’ve seen some players emerge in the playoffs whose regular seasons or career up to their “big” playoff opportunity be pedestrian at best.
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Exactly. He’s making 2.5 mil more than Carter. You get rid of Rupp and all of a sudden you can replace that roster spot with a 4 million dollar player.
Thats how you build deep teams, and not top heavy ones.
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By the way, according to NHL.com, the team currently has a great deal of acquisition space.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=616021&navid=DL|NHL|home
$4.418 is more than I thought it had.
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Edmonton.
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I’d even argue the Islanders
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yeah
unfortunately we’d never trade with Philly or the Isles…wonder if edmonton has any interest in Erixon?
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I highly doubt we move Timmy anywhere, considering what we gave up for him. We’d move Mcilrath before him.
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Obviously they would, but the Rangers aren’t trading him
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I'd contend that the Rangers would have give up the two seconds
just as easily for a forward prospect of the same level as Erixon…If so, they wouldn’t hesitate to flip him for a young talented forward if the price is right, especially given how our team is constructed.
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Maybe, but that’s more of John Tavares being an absolute monster.
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Okposo and Grabner are solid too.
Tavares is just a stud though.
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Can someone explain to me
what the deal is with Avery’s cap hit.
Shared between Dallas and NYR?
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Not unless he returns to the Rangers. His cap hit is now the property of the Whale.
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His cap hit is down there, and unless there’s a need (and space, of course), he’s likely not to return.
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Brad Boyes please
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Not him again.
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Wolski – 3 points in 9 games
Boyes – 13 points in 40 games.
Like twins!
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Do you want all of his 3 goals this season?
In 40 games…….
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Brad Boyes!
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BRAD BOYES!!
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There ya go
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brad boyes?
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Nah
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:(
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Jason Blake! ha
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Brian Rolston.
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Plus, Pandolfo.
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Oh dear
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Lmao! You’re hysterical!
You left me cracking up over the slowness of Rolston two weeks ago, and now at the mere mention of him…your only response is “Oh Dear”?
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Was that me? Haha he’s all kinds of awful
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Hell yes, You!
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I went to an Islanders game this year where they could have had a 3 on 1, but he was so slow that by the time he got to the offensive zone the two players had lost the puck passing waiting.
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Wow! That is slow.
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Anson Carter
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Anson Carter to you is Jason Blake to me
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Jussi Jokinen!
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Marcel Hossa
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Brad Isbister
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I just threw up in my mouth.
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Sandis Ozilinch!
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Marc Savard
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too soon?
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Too soon
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Grass under his feet (and I mean the first minute)…add him.
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Daniel Goneau.
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Steven King.
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Stephen King?
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Ah ha! I win!
Steven King…1992-93.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_King_(ice_hockey)
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lol
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lmao!!!
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I’ll be at the game tonight, hoping to kidnap Stamkos
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I’d lend you my cuffs, but…Valentine’s Day is next week, soooooo….
Good luck with that.
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hey now
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You’re a rock star.
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GET THE SHOW ON
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All that glitters is gold….
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only shooting stars break the moOOoooold
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Cigars for everybody!!!!! (And I don’t even smoke)
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queue up some gentlemanly music and get the fire going I say!
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Sing us a song, you’re the piano man!
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We were a handshake and MDZ away from having him! Sather should have had the papers ready to sign right then and there!
No MDZ
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for Brad Boyes?
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No MDZ for anyone ever ever
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No MDZ for anyone! Never MDZ for anyone!
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There is not any one player on this roster, and probably two or three I would not give up for Stamkos
No MDZ ever!
(I’m not serious, MDZ is just my favorite player)
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Haha Stamkos is a special scenario
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With Stevie Y as GM, Stamkos would take King to get, so…gotta say no.
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Nope, it would take King, Girardi, and a new manatee for the pool in the baseball stadium.
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Seventeen. Johnny Damon is going elsewhere.
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Spotted this the other day in the supermarket, and I was in heaven...
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Oh holy shit. Old school.
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this might sound stupid
and forgive me if it is… but is there any chance that a high cost player would request a bit less money to have a solid chance at a cup run? If I was an NHL player that may have already peaked or is getting to that point where they are on the beginnings of their downslope I’d want to just get a cup under my belt or atleast put myself into a position to make that happen
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Like Selanne or Smyth?
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sure. I don’t really understand how cap and contract stuff works.. i just scream at the TV screen and play armchair coach from time to time. This kind of stuff is way above my pay grade. I’m just thinking outloud here.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if they become free agents over the off-season its definitely a possibility.
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Yeah, but it’s rare because you need to find older players who can still contribute to a cup-winning team throughout the season.
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I say out of respect, Selanne should go back to Winnipeg and finish there.
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i suppose some players are less nostalgic than fans. For the right price Jagr definitely gave a big “f-ck you” to pittsburgh right?
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You also gotta remember that the organizations change. There might be like 3 people left from when the player last played there.
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I like how every offer on this site is Dubinsky Wolski MZA and picks
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I understand why Dubinsky is thrown in because he’s the least productive of the moveable sizeable cap hits. But the other two probably aren’t returning jackshit at this point.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
At least we’re not as bad as Leafs fans…
Um.. we’ll give you.. um.. Kadri, Schenn, and um… um… Joey Crabb… for Stamkos?
Um.. we’ll give you.. um.. Kadri, Schenn, and um… um… Joey Crabb… for Stamkos?No? Hmm. For Weber?
Um.. we’ll give you.. um.. Kadri, Schenn, and um… um… Joey Crabb… for Stamkos?No? Hmm. For Weber?Ugh, fine.. whatever, Kadri is better than him anyway.
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well…wtf?
now the joke is ruined.
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Lmao!!!
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hooray!
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Yknow my friend is second cousins with Dubinsky. His cousin, Dubinsky’s first cousin, would be devastated if Dubinsky gets traded. You want that on your conscious?
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I love Dubi… as a person. But I love the Rangers as a franchise more than enough to not let a Dubi keep me up nights. Business is business.
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Dubinsky actually really isn’t a very good guy from what I’ve heard. When I met him he wasn’t bad, but he doesn’t talk to his family or answer their messages.
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he does have a bit of an arrogant vibe to him as of late in interviews and whatnot. It’d be okay if he earned it…
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard similar things from people that are friends with some of the other players. But I don’t expect to be best friends with the athletes, I just want them to play when they’re on the ice. Whatever they do on their own time I couldn’t care less about.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he’s just pissy because he knows he’s trade fodder at this point?
by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense.
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Not that this means shit..
But last year at I went to a Rangers-Devils game and its the only arena I know of where players go outside to leave and sign..Lundqvist, Gaborik, EVERYONE on the team last year were all signing everything in sight, Dubinsky and Avery walk past everyone smirking..
Maybe he got the attitude from Avery but he does seem like he has a stick up his ass..
Yeah, my cousin’s friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s little brother’s dog met him once.
Guys a douche
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The dog talked?
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Kind of. He told the neighbor’s dog, who told the squirrel outside, who told a rabbit in the field, who told the penguin that was visiting his house, who told an eagle, who told a fish, which then told a bear.
The bear was so outraged that he attacked Dubinsky and made his hair look bad.
Guy had it coming.
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And then the lions and tigers got involved too..
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dude
you went too farm needless to say my boss just asked me why i was laughing so hard.
:)
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You make the assumption that some of us here have a conscious
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by OhCallyMyCaptain on Feb 9, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Just sign a bunch of free agents and trade them instead.
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The only trade I really feel makes sense for this team is making the move for bobby ryan if anaheim makes him available. Hes young and has a manageable cap hit for the next few years. I dont do carter or nash because I dont want this team to have anything to do with those contracts. I love dubinsky but at best he is a 25 goal 25 assist player. Ryans already almost at 25 with about 30 games to play. If dubinsky, wolski, prospect(st. croix, thomas, mcllrath) our 1st and a 3rd. If that isn’t enough to get the deal done I say stay put and make a trade for a rental such as boyes and let him walk at the end of the year.
That is really a high risk low reward trade for them. I think when we are talking a trade for Ryan, Nash, Carter type players, you have to completely take WW out of the picture. I can’t see him as a piece that makes any Gm risk his job. Even if he were to light it up for the rest of the year, he is still a high risk to sign elsewhere. WW is a lose,lose piece in any trade (for the other team) and win, win for us.
In all seriousness.
When I go to the main page none of the fanposts come up. I have to click “all fanposts” and look from there.
Any ideas?
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Blame Cam Talbot…and SB Nation
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If acquiring Nash is not that insane.....
……..given the contract he has….then acquiring practically anyone else is less insane therefore the sky is the limit. Possibly with the exception of Jeff carters contract?
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I’d go AA, Dubi, Wolski and a pick- clears cap space and we get a 30 goal scoring tough scorer. They dont come along very often. His contract runs for 6 more years at which time he’ll be 33 or 34? In a heartbeat.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 9, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
You need to look at cap hits before you make deals.
Nash is making 7.8 mil a year. That’s over four times as much as AA is making.
If AA can put up 55 points next year, and Dubi can put up 50 (very likely scenarios), is it worth trading both of them, AND a pick, for some guy making more than both of them combined who will put up 65-70 points.
In a year or two, AA will be putting up 10-15 less points than Nash, at a 3rd of the price.
You win cups by building deep teams, with cost efficient players.
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Dubi and AA are just as likely to put up 35 points as 55. In fact its more likely. I agree that cups are won with lower cost GOOD players. IMO Dubi and AA are and always will be average NHL players. And Dubi is overpaid. Trade AA before he is overpaid and we still have alot of home grown talent.
Dubi is overpaid for the first 50 or so games of this season. Again, there was every indication he was going to deliver his exact value based on how he’d performed throughout his career.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Dubi makes more than Bobby Ryan. Hes overpaid by any rational measure unless he putting up 20+ goals consistently. That is something he will never do IMO. Alos Dubis deal jumps to almost 5 million 2 years. he will NEVER be a 5 million nhl player so wether we trade him now or next year IMO he has to go because he will never perform close to that contract. I like him alot, he does alot, hes versatile but hes a 3rd line NHL player who kills penalties and wioll fight a bit. Nothing more.
First, the Ducks gave Ryan his deal at a different point of his career (right after his entry level deal expired). Secodly, all that really matters with the current salary structure is the cap hit, the amount they’re actually paid really only concerns teams that operate under their own internal cap (which the Rangers obviously don’t).
I won’t deny he’s been disappointing this year but he was paid what other similar productive players were paid at similar points in their careers. And on average around the league 50 points gets you on to 2nd lnes on most teams around the league. His current production obviously wouldn’t but not all players grow in a linear fashion.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
The cap hit matters, not the actual payment. Unless of course you care about Dolan’s personal expenditures.
3rd line players do not put up 40+ points……….
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They lead the league in goal differential…not exactly a good example of what a typical third liner is.
A typical 3rd liner........
…….is what we dressed on the first and second lines up until two seasons ago. Our whole damn ream was made up of muckers and grinders sans Jagr and Gaborik.
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Peverly would be a top 6 guy on a lot of teams. Chris Kelly is shooting 18% and I would bet the under on 40 points right now (he’s slightly under pace anyway)
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s just a generalization that 3rd liners can put up 40 points, and do on teams where the scoring isn’t concentrated into your top 2 lines, especially the Rangers.
The 180th best forward is currently on a 34 pt pace. So if you evenly distributed all the forwards in the NHL, there’s your worst top 6 guy in the league.
There’s some argument (not as much as you’d think) that stronger teams are deeper, but 40 points is still pretty much (bottom of) 2nd line production.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 9, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
They are “playing on the 3rd line”. They aren’t “third line players”
There is a reason they have the best goal differential in the NHL.
Is Richards a 2nd line center now?
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If they are just as likely to put up 35 as they are 55, than Nash is just as likely to put up 50 than 70, no?
Also, please remember that AA is 23. He’s going to improve. Nash isn’t. If you personally believe that 40-50 point players are “average” NHL players, than you need to look at the numbers again.
Both of those guys are top 6 players. They are not average, especially when you are playing that good at 23.
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AA might put up 55pts “IF” he learns not to get knocked off his feet all the time…..if he did that charity that Hartnell does…..AA Down….he’d be broke. Nash on Broadway would certainly improve production for all parties involved.
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Dude put up 44 points as a 22 year old last year.
Seems like him falling isn’t that big of an issue.
And how is it certain that his production would increase?
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Well, you’re also injecting a lot of ‘if’, and ‘can’. Everyone last season thought Dubi, new contract in hand, would put up 50+ pts. and 20+ goals with no problem. He’s inconsistent at best (he’s been that way in his short career). Same thing with Arty.
And with a guy like Nash (or Carter or Ryan) it’s not really about point production as so much as pure goal scoring.
I agree but I would rather have a bigger contract on a guy that has the potential to score bigtime than have 2 smaller contracts on average NHL’s who I am always WAITING to get better. IMO neither Dubi NOR AA will be consistent point producers or can be counted on to score 20+ a piece. I may be wrong but I dont think so.
There’s some indication that Nash has reached his goal scoring prime and he’s had more lower 30’s goal seasons than upper 30’s/40 goal seasons.
It’s also tough to prove that Nash will instantly become a monster if put on the Rangers. He already can generate more than enough of his own shots, it could very well be a matter of him being more of a 30 goal/70 point player than a 40 goal/80 point player no matter where he plays.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
IMO that may be enough to win us a cup and keep us in contention for 3 years. Without anything like that, where we are, we have a small chance to win, everything would have to go right.
Three years? A guy like Nash could cripple our cap situation.
All of a sudden you have four guys making ~28 million, and a bunch of kids that you can no longer afford.
Please, please tell me something. The Rangers are first in the NHL. How do they have a small chance to win the cup?
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Who knows if he’ll even be a 70 point player? He hasn’t proven to do that consistently.
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And with Nash there aren’t ifs?
He’s put up over 70 points once, and over 60 points a hand-ful of times.
Less than 60 points for a guy making 7.8 mil?
Yeah, I’ll pass on that.
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I agree with you. I like both AA and Dubi. I think Dubi played above his head last season like Boyle did. He got lucky it was a contract year and got paid for it. I don’t think he is showing us he is a 55pt player……..I think AA can be that and I covet him moreso than Dubi because he will score a shitload of points centering Gabby.
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My point is Nash is a beast who can also consistently score 30 goals. getting rid of Dubi, Artie and WW’s cap hit is a wash +/-. By the end of Nash’s contract 7.8 mil/year may well be cheap. Nash is proven; Dubi and Artie have “potential” but then again so did Daryl Strawberry.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Except Nash is on pace for about 26 G and 28 A. And he’s had as many years where he’s been a low 30 goal scorer as a higher 30/40 goal scorer. He’s good but not as good as people are trying to make him out to be.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
understood- but Dubi and AA are on pace for about 12 and 14 goals respectively- and Artie’s been mostly playing with Step and Gabby-both damn fine playmakers. Bottom line- IF Artie eventually grows into what Nash already is that would be amazing. Dubi is what he is by this point.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 9, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
and I would take this trade again and again if We could get a consistent 30 -33 goal scorer. Because Dubi is definitely not and Artie so far has shown only small flashes.
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by RangerFanInChicago on Feb 9, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
listen
just because it works on ur NHL on PS3 doesnt mean anything! worst fans i tell u, u guys are the ones who played NHL 94 and traded everyone on the team to make it a fantasy team….guys, please get on the ship and use the winning paddle, not the back paddle….shhesh
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by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
Because NY fans are impatient.
Everyone wanted to get rid of Gaborik last year too? Remember?
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rangers are 17th in goals, with 3-5 games in hand with most of the teams above them. if they score 2 goals a game for those 3-5 games, they’ll bump up to 9th or 10th in goals. they still haven’t given up 100 goals, some 20-50 goals less than those teams. their goal differential is 2nd only to boston, who’ve scored a million goals. if they can get their offense going a little bit more, THEY’RE FINE.
getting rid of Dubinsky is stupid. so he scores 10-15 goals this year. goals aren’t the only part of the game. what he does other than score is extremely important. same with boyle, mitchell, rupp, prust, et al. if richards would get his act together in combination with some consistent lines, THEY’LL BE FINE.
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they’ll bump up to 12th – 14th. if they score more than that, they’ll move up further, the point is, their defense and PK trump the average scoring. yes average, not abysmal.
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So you want richards to get his act together with fedetenko and prust? I think they should give the gabby richards experiment another shot if we stand pat.
yah
i totally agree with getting richards with people who have scoring ability. i don’t really agree with this constant line shifting. lines take time sometimes to gel. richards should be with gaborik for more than 5 games.
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Agreed.
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what he does other than score is extremely important.
You don’t spend 4.5 mil on a grinder…this team needs more goal scorers
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so
last year was a fluke? he can’t get hot and score 10-15 goals from here on out? that’s absurd.
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Doesn’t mean he won’t jump up to 25-30…we need another guy that can put in 30 goals, and not another 15-20 guy
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And the NHL standings say otherwise.
We play a defensive system. if we played an offensive one we’d have guys putting up more points but we’d be letting up more goals.
You can’t acknowledge one without the other.
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And you don’t pay 8 million for a guy who has broken 70 points once.
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He is a 4.5 cap hit, And I believe is a little banged up at the moment. But I think Sather should keep a close eye on Stevie Y. Maybe not for Malone, but see what he is willing to deal.
Malone is 32, has a $4.5M hit, has only played more than 70 games twice in his career and has a deal that runs through 2014-15. NO F’N WAY.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. Bad signing from day 1. But there are other options in Tampa. As long as their name isn’t Ryan or Vinny.
He took the money and ran after being part of an up and coming Pens team. Needless to say I think it worked out better for the Pens.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
does everyone seem to forget the fact that we gambled with gaborik? i would like to see what it would take to acquire him. buy low.
Malone is nowhere near the class of Gaborik.
Gaborik’s injury issues cost him in terms of length of the deal, he’s still a pretty high cap hit. A healthy Gaborik that produces like he does when he’s on would have commanded an 8-10 year deal.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Gaborik was a health gamble, Not a scoring gamble. I don’t see Malone as any different than any of our bottom 6.
we have three guys on pace for 20+ goals. he has been a consistent 20-30 goal scorer his entire career.
He’s also never played more than 70 games since joining the Botls and I don’t see his durability improving given his age.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
70, 69 and 54 last year hes on pace to get around 70 this year…
i said 20-30 as a range.
i didn’t say i wanted to trade the farm for the guy i said i would like to see what it would take to acquire him.
He has 27 total points this year in 41 games, they only have 30 games left. If he were to be a point a game guy from here out he isn’t on pace for 70 points.
Exactly.
Enough of this grass is greener bullshit.
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I think you are looking up the wrong player stats. Malone has never hit 50 points in Tampa and only hit 51 once in his career for the pens.
I think he’s talking about the games played. Either way, I think there are enough injury risks with some of the core players on the team, don’t need to add one more.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
He did say “if he came here and averaged a PPG how is the rest of the season relevant?”
That is a huge if. At that rate we can pray maybe Dubi puts up a point per game. I think he has as much of a chance as Malone. But I agree. Another injury risk, another 50 point guy making 4.5 per against the cap we do not need.
I said that because you previously stated “if he were to be a point a game guy…..”
which i think was based on you believing the numbers i posted were his points not GP
pretty funny
everyone screamed at sather for years about growing the team from youth, now that we have that, and have great success, everyone wants to dump these same guys because their production is “off”. in half a season yet. cracks me up.
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Yup.
Sometimes players have off years. This year it’s disproportionally hit some of the forwards. Thank the hockey gods that the defense has grown by leaps and bounds.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's not selling off youth
its selling a guy who can easily be replaced in the line up for someone who is better offensively
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15 points better offensively, and making 4 times as much.
There is a cap you know.
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Well I meant in general
but the sentiment is the same…you can replace Dubi’s backchecking in the line up but if you can get someone who is better offensively for him then why not make the trade?
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Because there is a maximum amount you can spend, and you don’t replace 45 point players with 65 points players when they make 4 times as much.
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when you mention
trading dubi/AA/medium to high prospects/pick it is trading off our youth, and that is the majority of the trade scenarios people are placing for nash/carter/ryan
Its NY fans.
Everyone wanted to trade Gaborik last year because he had an average season. AA has a bad streak of 10-15 games, and everyone wants him gone.
I’m waiting for Hank to eventually go into a slump. End of the world…
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hey hey hey
I was on record all last year for not trading Gaby
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Just NY fans in general.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Lundqvist to Whale for Cam Talbot ?
Make it happen?
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by -19-AgainstAll on Feb 9, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep
like i said earlier, people r not producing on the stats doesnt mean they are no good to the team. TEAM, remember that word?!?!?!?!? TEEEEAM, so for all the NHL12 on PS3/xbox who do not play hockey, not everyone is going to score like gretzky. This is the best damn Rangers hockey i have seen in a while, hell a long time. bandwagons much???
I like Nash, but he’s an unproven commodity regarding playoff experience and his contract bears to much weight (especially considering all of the RFAs we will need to re-sign soon). I’m totally comfortable with this team right now and truly believe that guys like Dubi and Boyle can show up big-time come playoffs (a la Marchand and Seguin for Boston last year). I’d try to trade Wolski and a pick for a speedy veteran forward who can still score a few, similar to Ray Whitney. Besides, we have a good foundation to bring guys like Krieder along next season. The offense will only get better in the coming years.
Exactly.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Not to be a downer, but...
is there any way we could beat the horse a bit more?
Just wait for the “Why Jeff Carter Is A Better Option” post.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe another Ryan one after that?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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I’d love him for the team at the right price, but the Ducks GM said him and Koivu aren’t available.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 9, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
meh
I was just adding to my “beat the horse” post above. Adding Selanne, imo, would be reverting back to the old ways of adding over the hill stars.
He said they're unavailable
Because they both have NTCs. It’s up to Selanne or Koivu if they want to be moved.
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, We Don't Want Him!
He’s a talented player, but the last thing we want or need is to be stuck with this overpaid underachiever. His contract is just too horrible to take a chance.
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 9, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions
Nash could improve if...
He was in a new city where he didn’t wear the C. I think he’s a great player but not captain material. I’m an NYR fan living in Columbus and I really think that he could be real good if there wasn’t so much pressure on him. He could be a good fit here if the price was right.
posted this above but...
I’d contend that the Rangers would have give up the two seconds
just as easily for a forward prospect of the same level as Erixon…If so, they wouldn’t hesitate to flip him for a young talented forward if the price is right, especially given how our team is constructed.
@btown46
They wont take that though.
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traid straight up anisimov for pretty and ryan
after tonights performance anaheim will bite hook line and sinker!!!
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